[Theory] Madara's double cross

[Uchiha Josephus]

If you're talking about oro. Then sasuke didn't betray him, Sasuke knew what orochimaru wanted all along. and that was sasuke's body. he hasnt really betrayed anyone actually.

You're missing the point, let's not turn this into a "Sasuke was justified" thread

 

[Kuroh]

If you're talking about oro. Then sasuke didn't betray him, Sasuke knew what orochimaru wanted all along. and that was sasuke's body. he hasnt really betrayed anyone actually.

what are you talking about? he betrayed taka when he left them at the kage summit. He almost killed karin. he left konoha to fallow darkness instead of staying and getting help from his friends.
sorry casualmisfit for going off topic

 

[zinescience]

he is the boss of cause

 

[CasualMisfit]

i can really see that happening. one thing i have leanerd about the uchiha's is that you can't never trust them. just look at sasuke xd he has betrayed everyone that has helped him including his teacher

This is very true... the Uchiha are all very double sided. Itachi who let himself be seen as a villain turns out to be "good"! Sasuke manipulates and uses people to get what he wants. Obito let everyone believe he was dead then made everyone think he was Madara... They are all very self serving people. Let's see what Madara's true intentions are to prove the pattern Uchiha personalities tend to display!

the juubi will screw both them.

Obito seems to be picking up on the fact that madara doesn't care about changing the world and more intrested in displaying power.

Madara was always the man in charge, shame obito will most likely get killed by Madara in the end. You cant just go against some1 who is a edo tensei and both of the so6p bloodline limits and think ur gonna live to tell the tale.


I think what might happen is that Obito will try to cancel the juubi summoning and madara would just kill him. That's basically it.

Yup I have a feeling Obito will really do something to force Madara's hand against him... he'll probably end up dying in Kakashi's arms and have a last moment of remorse and sorrow!

If you're talking about oro. Then sasuke didn't betray him, Sasuke knew what orochimaru wanted all along. and that was sasuke's body. he hasnt really betrayed anyone actually.

Oh he did betray Orochimaru... he told Orochimaru and Naruto... "I don't care what Orochimaru does with me as long as it kills Itachi" when infact he had no intentions of letting Orochimaru control him!

what are you talking about? he betrayed taka when he left them at the kage summit. He almost killed karin. he left konoha to fallow darkness instead of staying and getting help from his friends.
sorry casualmisfit for going off topic

Hey no worries... that's how conversations roll!

For the record... I agree! Sasuke has no loyalties other than to himself!

 

[Chatte]

Yup I have a feeling Obito will really do something to force Madara's hand against him... he'll probably end up dying in Kakashi's arms and have a last moment of remorse and sorrow!

That's how I see it as well.
I always said that the most probable to die in this war, since people were concerned about this, was Obito.
I mean, let's face it, do you see Obito alive and living in Konoha happily ever after?
Do you see any other Uchiha behind Sasuke being alive?
Generally speaking.

 

[Kuroh]

This is very true... the Uchiha are all very double sided. Itachi who let himself be seen as a villain turns out to be "good"! Sasuke manipulates and uses people to get what he wants. Obito let everyone believe he was dead then made everyone think he was Madara... They are all very self serving people. Let's see what Madara's true intentions are to prove the pattern Uchiha personalities tend to display!



Yup I have a feeling Obito will really do something to force Madara's hand against him... he'll probably end up dying in Kakashi's arms and have a last moment of remorse and sorrow!

yes you proved my point. i just can't wait until we see what madara is really planning

 

[CasualMisfit]

That's how I see it as well.
I always said that the most probable to die in this war, since people were concerned about this, was Obito.
I mean, let's face it, do you see Obito alive and living in Konoha happily ever after?
Do you see any other Uchiha behind Sasuke being alive?
Generally speaking.

Exactly! If he were left alive he'd just have to go into hiding and adopt another identity which I find doubtful plotwise. He's committed far too many crimes to be forgiven by the ninja world.

Sasuke on the other hand has committed crimes against other villages... attacking the Kage, attacking the hidden cloud in an effort to capture kira bi... also killing the stand in hokage (danzo)... unless the other villages forgive him his crimes in the face of his good deeds (which at this point are few... I speak of him helping to stop the Edo summons) I can't really see him returning to Konoha without some form of punishment!

 

[Chatte]

Exactly! If he were left alive he'd just have to go into hiding and adopt another identity which I find doubtful plotwise. He's committed far too many crimes to be forgiven by the ninja world.

Sasuke on the other hand has committed crimes against other villages... attacking the Kage, attacking the hidden cloud in an effort to capture kira bi... also killing the stand in hokage (danzo)... unless the other villages forgive him his crimes in the face of his good deeds (which at this point are few... I speak of him helping to stop the Edo summons) I can't really see him returning to Konoha without some form of punishment!

Eeexactly!
Plot-wise, it won't work.
As for Sasuke, I see an end but I'm going to keep it for me as I will be highly flamed by Sasuke's fanboys. And that's the last thing I want. :|

 

[Kuroh]

Exactly! If he were left alive he'd just have to go into hiding and adopt another identity which I find doubtful plotwise. He's committed far too many crimes to be forgiven by the ninja world.

Sasuke on the other hand has committed crimes against other villages... attacking the Kage, attacking the hidden cloud in an effort to capture kira bi... also killing the stand in hokage (danzo)... unless the other villages forgive him his crimes in the face of his good deeds (which at this point are few... I speak of him helping to stop the Edo summons) I can't really see him returning to Konoha without some form of punishment!

i agree with this. there is no way in my opinion that sasuke will return to konoha. if he lives he will be traveling. but i wouldn't be surprissed if he dies saving naruto or saving the kages or something. that way he would die like a hero. but i really hope he dosen't die

 

[Valen]

This has long been discussed

Madara being so close to this great power, he can't resist

Screw moon eye plan

 

[CasualMisfit]

Eeexactly!
Plot-wise, it won't work.
As for Sasuke, I see an end but I'm going to keep it for me as I will be highly flamed by Sasuke's fanboys. And that's the last thing I want. :|

Oh I'm curious now! What do you think will happen to Sasuke? o_o

i agree with this. there is no way in my opinion that sasuke will return to konoha. if he lives he will be traveling. but i wouldn't be surprissed if he dies saving naruto or saving the kages or something. that way he would die like a hero. but i really hope he dosen't die

Urgh I'm not a huge Sasuke fan but I hope he doesn't end up dying! I'd like to see a situation where the Uchiha finally find peace and work with others in harmony! Cheesy I know but their clan has been subject to too much hatred... I'd like to see the last survivor finally shed that in the name of his clan and go on living in some way!

 

[Chatte]

i agree with this. there is no way in my opinion that sasuke will return to konoha. if he lives he will be traveling. but i wouldn't be surprissed if he dies saving naruto or saving the kages or something. that way he would die like a hero. but i really hope he dosen't die

You're reading my thoughts.

Oh I'm curious now! What do you think will happen to Sasuke? o_o

I fairly think he's going to die. Think about it. Kishi took him out from Team 7 and replaced Sai with him, as well, he's been doing so much bad and has been saved countless times (this is not the hater tone, don't get me wrong).
Doesn't this tell you much?
I think he will die, some sort of sacrifice for the greater good and this way the chain of hatred will be broken and the Uchiha name restored.

(safe to say it, considering I'm writing in a mod thread ^^)

 

[Kuroh]

Oh I'm curious now! What do you think will happen to Sasuke? o_o



Urgh I'm not a huge Sasuke fan but I hope he doesn't end up dying! I'd like to see a situation where the Uchiha finally find peace and work with others in harmony! Cheesy I know but their clan has been subject to too much hatred... I'd like to see the last survivor finally shed that in the name of his clan and go on living in some way!

yes that would be a good ending for the uchiha but let's see what happens

 

[CasualMisfit]

You're reading my thoughts.



I fairly think he's going to die. Think about it. Kishi took him out from Team 7 and replaced Sai with him, as well, he's been doing so much bad and has been saved countless times (this is not the hater tone, don't get me wrong).
Doesn't this tell you much?
I think he will die, some sort of sacrifice for the greater good and this way the chain of hatred will be broken and the Uchiha name restored.

(safe to say it, considering I'm writing in a mod thread ^^)

Hmm! Yeah like I said before I wouldn't be satisfied with him dying. I get the breaking the chain of hatred but to me it puts out a bad message that someone has to die and have their lineage wiped out in order to obtain that! :/

 

[Chatte]

Hmm! Yeah like I said before I wouldn't be satisfied with him dying. I get the breaking the chain of hatred but to me it puts out a bad message that someone has to die and have their lineage wiped out in order to obtain that! :/

Hmm, that is true as well... but it will be like a payment for all the bad things he also did, I guess?
Though I don't wanna see Sasuke dead either

 

[narutonish]

They are going to fight each other. Strong people can never allow another to take control.

 

[Kuroh]

Hmm, that is true as well... but it will be like a payment for all the bad things he also did, I guess?
Though I don't wanna see Sasuke dead either

if he dosen't die, then he will do something big that will make everyone forgive him. i think he will be a big part of what is to come and of course naruto will help his case by talking to everyone.

 

[Chatte]

if he dosen't die, then he will do something big that will make everyone forgive him. i think he will be a big part of what is to come and of course naruto will help his case by talking to everyone.

Guess so...
But in my mind sounds too simple and we know how complicated Kishi is, heheh. xd

 

[silmarill]

I dont think Sasuke is going to die
Naruto has been yelling since half Naruto till somewhere ep 100 shippuuden that he will "bring back Sasuke" so all logic points he is going to do that

 

[Chatte]

I dont think Sasuke is going to die
Naruto has been yelling since half Naruto till somewhere ep 100 shippuuden that he will "bring back Sasuke" so all logic points he is going to do that

But he can always bring him back dead...Who says he has to be alive?
KIDDIN'!

Sorry for the off-topic, I couldn't handle it.

Now on topic, I wonder how will they do it since they're both connected to the Juubi.