NB RolePlay...Seriously what the hell?

[ReXii]

Why does it matter who I am? New to RP, nice to meet you too.

I'm just saying how I feel it, and yes it has been a week because I created it in a Tuesday. I am not saying he is doing a bad job or anything, but it is kinda strange when other bios that was created for 2-3 days ago gets approved. I sent him message last week but didnt get answer, however if he is bussy then there is no problem.

Thanks, you made my day after that post.

Please, explain me more how I am insulting Caliburn will ya? I know you want to sound good for the MODs, but there is no need to tell me to stfû. This is exactly the problem with NB.. like ugh.

It was suppos to be a joke, but it doesn't look like people even can't get a joke now? Reputation is not important over the internet, so why are you even bringing it here? I'm new to RP, like I said up.

Yes because clearly i can deduct a joke in a text format.

On topic

Scorps i agree with some of your points i also agree with the others but the main thing i think is, that a change needs to happen sooner or later and thats pretty much the most important thing to everyone who RP's and we should all remember that the change begins with ourselves and our attitudes towards the game.

 

['Kurapika]

People, please, instead turning this thread into yet another finger pointing thread, lets focus on the suggestions for solving the existing problems regardless of who's to blame for their existence.

A lot of good points in there Nagato.

I just feel like sometimes people take things way too seriously. There is no reason a disagreement over a battle should ever lead to a member removing themselves from the RP. If people take things too seriously and don't respect each other, then disagreements over moves quickly devolve into arguments and personal attack, which is unacceptable.

I'm not in favor of a complete reset, as I think too much work has gone into the current system to throw it all away, but I will offer a suggestion to deal with arguments.

I think this issue can easily be solved by creating a sub-section for battle judgments. Its something I've seen in other RP forums and I think works well. When a disagreement arises (that can't be solved quickly through VMs/PMs/MSN and VMs/PMs/MSN only) the person who disagrees creates a thread in the battle judgement sub-section listing the reasons why they think the move is invalid. The opponent of said person then makes a post stating their case. These posts are not directed at each other, but just defending your point of view for the Mod who checks the battle to read. A Mod will come in and check the battle, and will render judgement. Once the judgement is decided, that's it. Its final. No questioning, no more further arguing. Accept the judgement.

This would keep the battle thread clean, and prevent things from spiraling out of control. If someone breaks this format by trying to continue arguing in either the battle thread or the judgement thread, then they get punished. Say its an argument in some Ninja World conflict, then they are removed from said conflict.

With that suggestion said, its impossible to accomplish a RP without the members of the community showing respect and having humility. You have to be able to accept defeat, even if you disagree with it. If you are incapable of doing that, then the chances of you having a good time are very slim; and I suggest you try to find some other form of entertainment.

I would not be opposed to this idea. It would surely make things easier for myself.

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Can some more people please discuss this? I'd give away one of kidneys to see it happen.

 

[Zlad]

Meh, i'll leave it. Scorps already gave me warning (here) so i'll just stop before getting into more bs

later

 

[Sasuke eats nards]

i don't understand how the roleplay works and i never will

 

[Negative Knight]

People, please, instead turning this thread into yet another finger pointing thread, lets focus on the suggestions for solving the existing problems.

Can some more people please discuss this? I'd give away one of kidneys to see it happen.

If a RP reset did occur, a little while down the line we would be exactly where we are now but in an even worse state. Imagine you were online the moment the reset came, Customs we're wiped clean. How many, just imagine how many Custom Elements would be submitted almost instantaneously ? We would eventually have the same CEs submitted with different people holding them, only each and every one of them would be active members. Custom Elements would be present in every match, they would become an increasingly difficult to deal with.

Right now, a select few have CEs to their names, its their reward for sticking with NarutoBase so long, they deserve at least that. A reset would just undermine everything that someone's done, some of the mods and senseis have been developing this for four years, if i were them i would quit, knowing that everything i ever contributed to the site was put on the same standard as spam/offensive threads.

Good idea in theory, borderline disaster in practice.

And take into account i've only considered the Custom Element side of things which is a small element of the system.

 

['Kurapika]

If a RP reset did occur, a little while down the line we would be exactly where we are now but in an even worse state. Imagine you were online the moment the reset came, Customs we're wiped clean. How many, just imagine how many Custom Elements would be submitted almost instantaneously ? We would eventually have the same CEs submitted with different people holding them, only each and every one of them would be active members. Custom Elements would be present in every match, they would become an increasingly difficult to deal with.

Right now, a select few have CEs to their names, its their reward for sticking with NarutoBase so long, they deserve at least that. A reset would just undermine everything that someone's done, some of the mods and senseis have been developing this for four years, if i were them i would quit, knowing that everything i ever contributed to the site was put on the same standard as spam/offensive threads.

Good idea in theory, borderline disaster in practice.

And take into account i've only considered the Custom Element side of things which is a small element of the system.

I believe you've misread the suggestion. Typhon suggested that to reduce the number of arguments that take part in the ninja world, a sub-forum for judging fights would be made. In this sub-forum, you'd make a thread, link to your fight in it, and represent your case, your opponent would also post in defence of his move. Mods/Sensei will simply have to check threads there, or get linked to them.

P.S I'm not in any way in support of a reset. In fact, I believe it would only result in many people losing interest and leaving, which in return will re-loosen the rules and restrictions seeing how many KGs and abilities will lack as much as a single user. Finally, the older OP-ed members will simply be replaced with different and newer members as the RP starts to pick up more activity.

 

[Negative Knight]

I believe you've misread the suggestion. Typhon suggested that to reduce the number of arguments that take part in the ninja world, a sub-forum for judging fights would be made. In this sub-forum, you'd make a thread, link to your fight in it, and represent your case, your opponent would also post in defence of his move. Mods/Sensei will simply have to check threads there, or get linked to them.

P.S I'm not in any way in support of a reset. In fact, I believe it would only result in many people losing interest and leaving, which in return will re-loosen the rules and restrictions seeing how many KGs and abilities will lack as much as a single user. Finally, the older OP-ed members will simply be replaced with different and newer members as the RP starts to pick up more activity.

I apologize for that , i remember someone suggesting a reset and multiple vouches coming for it.

Honestly i wish a sub-forum for deciding the winner wasn't necessary. When i begin battling, i'll ensure i'm never in a position for a argument to take place.

 

[Shīnju]

All True Though Best Thread Ive Seen All Week

 

[Kawagiri]

yes, you are indeed correct, RP is about fun, but some of the limitations and custom denials are about that. I don't need to tell anyone that if these things weren't regulated, everyone would be teleporting here there and everywhere destroying planets, but that's repetetive too and far too unrealistic. we'd have people being so6p using gates, beasts and every single jutsu imaginable.

if you remember a year or 2 back, instead of pure power everyone was creating ways to try and be gates speed either in an attempt to become unblockable or to counter those already with gates.

when I was an RP mod (when I had lots of time to go on NB I'd be logging on to do custom checking while also getting hundreds of training requests. It's easy to see how people get overwhelmed by this, such a large RP base with not enough people to take the workload. when you're not checking customs or training, you're constantly getting messages about jutsus and training. In an ideal world we'd seperate the workload and put groups on each task. a group to moderate rules, and keep the battle threads clean, a group dealing with customs, a group dealing with training and keeping training methods in check etc. and an army of senseis

on another note, some jutsu may seem really overpowered. (hell even I could be accused) but while following physically possible (for example not submitting like a move where by being on the same battlefield as someone they explode instantly without time to react or without them realising anything happened) and adding reasonable downsides most jutsu you dream of can be created. one exception to this is cheap imitations to try and bypass restrictions.

 

[Urda]

I believe you've misread the suggestion. Typhon suggested that to reduce the number of arguments that take part in the ninja world, a sub-forum for judging fights would be made. In this sub-forum, you'd make a thread, link to your fight in it, and represent your case, your opponent would also post in defence of his move. Mods/Sensei will simply have to check threads there, or get linked to them.

P.S I'm not in any way in support of a reset. In fact, I believe it would only result in many people losing interest and leaving, which in return will re-loosen the rules and restrictions seeing how many KGs and abilities will lack as much as a single user. Finally, the older OP-ed members will simply be replaced with different and newer members as the RP starts to pick up more activity.

Its too much, besides arguments would still continue. Arguments are also better handle in PMs. Sensei/Mods could check for a final say on the thread. I do not favor a Reset either. I have a better reform:

Activity/Inactiviy Reform. Its is the biggest problem to our RP System. Why? Every things circles back to the fact if said member is active or not. Yes, it could not be help, but it could be controled. How? Its something I call activity monitor; it is monitoring members for activity within RP. How does it work? Each village within the RP would be given members deadlines to meet active status such as a month to half a year (6 months) to a year. They would also be given requirements to meet active status such as Battles, Spars, or Ninja World journey (which is less active to newer or fewer members). If members fail to meet requirements, than they would be decline access to said village ( basically clean house).

How can you prevent loopholes? Training. Many would find training as an excuss. Therefore, training is not a requirement. The other would be real life. How or why you say real life? Does it really matter? Everyone can make up that excuss.

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Training is another big problem. We have all this Sensei's and Sempai's and limited amount of students getting trained while the increasing rate of new RP members have to wait for months to a year. We have many complaining. Its still not solve. Which means we neex to change our training methods or training.

Training Reform. Everyone consists of 2 or 3 elements. It speeds up training for the next batch. It also makes the RP more realistic. Only one or two Ninja Art could be trained by an individual (One member could only hold Ninjutsu. Or one member could only hold Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. So on so forth)

How to prevent loopholes? No loopholes could be found. Input would be good.
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I'm not for questioning a Sensei training method, but in this times we have to put some question into. Training is slow and Sensei/Sempai are not replying. I should not be saying that right? Of course I should. You know what you go your self into when you wanted to become Sensei. Don't just quit or give up. Find a better method. Your letting your student down who really want to have fun. My solution:

Training within you means. Do not train to the point of stressfulness and exguastion. Have management. Train a few at a time. Don't get carried away.

Sensei/Sempai Reform. Reply to training once a week. Offer to only train up to three maximum Jutsu at a time, if so. If you could reply that very day or through that, get as much done as possible, but at a steady pace. If you done a lot of replys to training the following week and felt they got far, do not reply the next week, that is simply a break.

- Sempai Selection: It is put it the same category as training becuase many Sempai have not all the necessary training they should have when choosen as a Sempai - not of of them. I perfer they be trained in Scorps/Lil Chan Method style of training.

How to prevent loopholes? No loopholes could be found. Input would be good.
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I just made a simple outline. I can careless if it does not meet implementing requirements, but something has to change. No offense, but what ever your planning, it is not getting done fast enough.

 

['Kurapika]

Its too much, besides arguments would still continue. Arguments are also better handle in PMs. Sensei/Mods could check for a final say on the thread. I do not favor a Reset either.

An RP mod already agreed to it actually being less work instead of more.
Also, nobody takes arguments to PMs, arguing on a thread makes it easier to link it to sensei/mods.
Also, regulated arguments can't possibly be worse than the current state of the Ninja World, and only the two people that are concerned and the judge would be allowed to post in the thread. Not abiding by that rule can be handled more harshly than arguing in a public thread, and people by default won't break rules as often in a thread meant for authority to see.
Also, if spam/arguments still happen, it can be made that each one of the two members are only allowed a single post in the thread.
In my humble opinion, this suggestion has so much potential that the few possible flaws fade in comparison to the good that would come of it.
And Again, it already has one of the RP mods' support.

 

[Scary Yamato]

I think it will be an eye opener for you who dont know how much arguing actually goes on here. IF it were implemented I would expect it to have more new posts than the battle arena itself.

 

[Kawagiri]

^ as stupid as it may seem I can vouch for Yama. that's another cause of mods being constantly VMed on here. and that's nothing compared to the posts in battle threads generally.

 

['Kurapika]

I think it will be an eye opener for you who dont know how much arguing actually goes on here. IF it were implemented I would expect it to have more new posts than the battle arena itself.

If only the two who are concerned with the fight are allowed to post, and are only allowed a single post each, I don't think that would be too much of a problem. Even if it may add some more posts, it won't be as tiring to keep track of.
It also might end up giving sensei's judging a more 'final' feel to them, since the people making the thread would only be allowed single posts.

I also think having these misunderstandings translate into organized threads will reduce more arguing in the long run, seeing how we'll be able to link these threads. I've seen people say things like "I remember X mod saying this jutsu works like this, and Y mod said this" to give their arguments more credibility. This method will organize things even more and possibly end many arguments before they even start in the future.

^ as stupid as it may seem I can vouch for Yama. that's another cause of mods being constantly VMed on here. and that's nothing compared to the posts in battle threads generally.

That's far more smart than stupid. xD

 

[Urda]

An RP mod already agreed to it actually being less work instead of more.
Also, nobody takes arguments to PMs, arguing on a thread makes it easier to link it to sensei/mods.
Also, regulated arguments can't possibly be worse than the current state of the Ninja World, and only the two people that are concerned and the judge would be allowed to post in the thread. Not abiding by that rule can be handled more harshly than arguing in a public thread, and people by default won't break rules as often in a thread meant for authority to see.
Also, if spam/arguments still happen, it can be made that each one of the two members are only allowed a single post in the thread.
In my humble opinion, this suggestion has so much potential that the few possible flaws fade in comparison to the good that would come of it.
And Again, it already has one of the RP mods' support.

Meh, I guess. Although arguing solves nothing, as it stills fall of the final decision of the spectator. No one could truly admit lost. Therefore, regardless of every argument, it would still be check as if a Special Bio Test.

 

[Scorps]

I think it will be an eye opener for you who dont know how much arguing actually goes on here. IF it were implemented I would expect it to have more new posts than the battle arena itself.

Agreed. I don't know if it would, in the long run, work or not. However, it might help, specially if the suggested Orange Rule was applied.

 

['Kurapika]

Meh, I guess. Although arguing solves nothing, as it stills fall of the final decision of the spectator. No one could truly admit lost. Therefore, regardless of every argument, it would still be check as if a Special Bio Test.

I'll have to disagree. I had very few fights in my short RP lifetime, much less arguments. But I actually wasn't annoyed by any, I felt like I learned from my 'arguments' a lot, and I like to believe that I did them respectfully. I've actually agreed to defeat a number of times but wanted to still discuss the moves further with my opponent.
I feel like knowing all possible arguments that can be made against your move gives you the upper hand in a fight. It allows you to clarify any vogue aspects of your move in your moves post, and it gives a better understanding of how techniques work overall.

I think I'd be spending more time in this section than any other section if it gets made.
Yes, you have permission to mock me.

 

[Nagato..]

This I agree with. Less mods is not the solution.



Again I do not see the point of allowing the RP mods, to continue with trainings, considering their added responsibilities. The only case in which this could be allowed is if the RP mod himself enjoys teaching. In which case I don't see the point why they should complain.
Training methods also are solely the premise of the sensie, and should only reach the moderator when it is in it's final stages and needs approval.
Report and moderation is also something that the Non-RP global mods and Non - RP mods should be looking at. Except for ninja world affairs and official battle arguments. Also in this case we actually have 4 non RP related mods out of which 2 are Global mods.
Battle tests is again something the sensies should sign up for and not mods. (Unless they enjoy doing it)
Because Battle test is also a good way for Sensies to enrich there knowledge about the charachters they generally don't RP with.
Also this is another thing that could be solved through discussion. I think the people doing the invisible work should only do that.... why do you want to encumber them with other duties??
Keep separate mods for the invisible work and separate mods for the visible work.
From what I read, it looks like you yourself are trying to do too many things and then complain you cannot do them efficiently.


Dude, My bio is now in the bio section for the 5th straight week and I don't even need Nexus for it's approval.
I have felt this for a long time but Caliburn is being overworked ~_~

Well I was gonna write a wallie agreeing with Nagato but ill put it in a short more primitive way way I honestly think if the rp keeps going this way it will soon be no more I along with maybe 2 people iv seen in the last 4 month don't really argue that much unless they have a doubt but then will continue either way I hate that the rp is so restricted and some that deserve stuff such as Sage mode or 8 Gates or Sealing Jutsus will never learn it and I honestly don't think its fair to restrict everyone on what they can and cannot learn and putting such things into a tournament as a prize is Bullshit as some of us won't win or even make it pass some of the older members now don't think I'm power hungry and want to rule the rp but I have seen a good amount of new comers in the rp that are more fit to use such things then some of the people that have it..and my examples will follow... I see all these people enter tounaments and make it to the second round where they will face someone with OP techniques and they have hardly anything to counter or even keep up with and then they lose and the op person wins and get more op.... this is a failed system if I say so you shouldn't place Training as a Tournament prize for a few reasons mainly for this reason you can't base someone Over powering everyone they fight as them being responsible enough to use it... when you do stuff like this ot pretty much kills the rp for the new ones cause then they never have a chance and you can't reply with they had the skill to win it cause ill reply with that's Bullshit... now I'm not saying they don't have skill I'm just saying that they fought their way with a higher learning of Technqiues and now I realise some parts don't make sense but most of it if you think about it does

Nagato idk if this was one of the points you where tring to make but that's what I got for a certain part of your Gaint wall of texst lol

@ Scorps Well you can remember what its like to be a regular member, and always talk big about how you want to be a sensei or sempai, until you get the position and feel what its really like. I guess you can say I must have had the same impression for what it pertains to you RP mods. I take back the statements I said about you guys and I will just leave it alone until you guys get situated. Its unfair to try calling you out when things arent considered to be running at full capacity. Maybe the problem is you guys need more back up, rather than "Just enough" to get you by. Try considering that, like how its only me you and Dante conducting most of the bio tests from the sensei HQ. We get it done but you know we could use some help to lessen the workload. If one or few of us were to fall off, who would back us up without there being a huge gap in time before they actually do something? By then people will be complaining about bios etc etc....well thats just an example of your workload. I simply think you guys need more help, instead of just saying "this is enough to get by."


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@ Red Maybe another mod or two is the answer. Not just enough mods to where if one leaves everything collapses but at least some form of back up in retrospect to knowing we all have things going on in real life?

@ Blue

My bio has been sitting in the section since September 21... Do you see me complaining?

Ive had a CE pending since 2011 and I waited patiently for Nexus to review it with me, only to tell me to have Caliburn check it... Do you see me complaining?

Yes I do have large amounts of patients to wait a complete year without bugging people about things...some call me crazy. I just dont have time trying to bug people constantly about things when I know theyre being worked hard.


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Kenshin you were probably the only one to really read the whole wallie and stay on topic of one of my main points of the thread. I think I have no words because you said everything that needed to be said..

 

[Urda]

I'll have to disagree. I had very few fights in my short RP lifetime, much less arguments. But I actually wasn't annoyed by any, I felt like I learned from my 'arguments' a lot, and I like to believe that I did them respectfully. I've actually agreed to defeat a number of times but wanted to still discuss the moves further with my opponent.
I feel like knowing all possible arguments that can be made against your move gives you the upper hand in a fight. It allows you to clarify any vogue aspects of your move in your moves post, and it gives a better understanding of how techniques work overall.

I think I'd be spending more time in this section than any other section if it gets made.
Yes, you have permission to mock me.

Naw, its cool. I'm actually the same, but instead of me battling, I learn from others mistakes.

 

[Scorps]

@ Scorps Well you can remember what its like to be a regular member, and always talk big about how you want to be a sensei or sempai, until you get the position and feel what its really like. I guess you can say I must have had the same impression for what it pertains to you RP mods. I take back the statements I said about you guys and I will just leave it alone until you guys get situated. Its unfair to try calling you out when things arent considered to be running at full capacity. Maybe the problem is you guys need more back up, rather than "Just enough" to get you by. Try considering that, like how its only me you and Dante conducting most of the bio tests from the sensei HQ. We get it done but you know we could use some help to lessen the workload. If one or few of us were to fall off, who would back us up without there being a huge gap in time before they actually do something? By then people will be complaining about bios etc etc....well thats just an example of your workload. I simply think you guys need more help, instead of just saying "this is enough to get by."


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@ Red Maybe another mod or two is the answer. Not just enough mods to where if one leaves everything collapses but at least some form of back up in retrospect to knowing we all have things going on in real life?

@ Blue

My bio has been sitting in the section since September 21... Do you see me complaining?

Ive had a CE pending since 2011 and I waited patiently for Nexus to review it with me, only to tell me to have Caliburn check it... Do you see me complaining?

Yes I do have large amounts of patients to wait a complete year without bugging people about things...some call me crazy. I just dont have time trying to bug people constantly about things when I know theyre being worked hard.


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Kenshin you were probably the only one to really read the whole wallie and stay on topic of one of my main points of the thread. I think I have no words because you said everything that needed to be said..

Nagato, I don't say more mods or less mods is the answer. But tell me, when you started working, did you get your full work speed and load and ease in your first few weeks? No. It takes time. That was just my point with it all. We need to get the full trottle mode on but that takes time. It may be the isseu of the RP but it was always like this: it takes time. And you know it was.

I could say plenty more but the result...meh. You make valid points in terms of the arguments and the objectives people have in the RP being messed up. Thats a given and we all know it. Heck, I check CJs... no one knows better than me what people try to get off with. Forbidden rank techniques without restrictions, putting restrictions that serve no real purpose other than trying to make us more prone to approved without actually restricting the technique, etc etc. People are obsessed not with the fight but with the desire to come up with a move or technique that no one can counter. That became the obession. At one point it was bios with basically all abilities that could be put into a bio. And statements that were then used to make the bios as oped as possible. Like Swift+leg weights+whatever else there would be to increase handseal speed, movement speed and what not to make is so that no one could catch the bio and simply die from it sneezing nearby. This might not be the core issue but it comes from it. And it pertains to the obsession about winning at all costs. No one conceeds in their fights. We all have witnessed it. And for me, from all the points in your op, this is the one that plagues our RP the most.