NB RolePlay...Seriously what the hell?
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How can you not take it seriously once you've put in so much work? Made wonderful friends? Spend so much time on here religiously... But at the same time theres a line that needs to be draw when its going way too far and your right about what you said above. The golden era is gone.. :I
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To be honest I played apart in that too and my shamefulness is what really made me sit back and reflect about what I was becoming as well as others in the RP. We need to be better examples for you guys so stuff like that doesnt happen, so I apologize.
Thanks man took me forever to write down and organize my thoughts.
A lot of good points in there Nagato.
I just feel like sometimes people take things way too seriously. There is no reason a disagreement over a battle should ever lead to a member removing themselves from the RP. If people take things too seriously and don't respect each other, then disagreements over moves quickly devolve into arguments and personal attack, which is unacceptable.
I'm not in favor of a complete reset, as I think too much work has gone into the current system to throw it all away, but I will offer a suggestion to deal with arguments.
I think this issue can easily be solved by creating a sub-section for battle judgments. Its something I've seen in other RP forums and I think works well. When a disagreement arises (that can't be solved quickly through VMs/PMs/MSN and VMs/PMs/MSN only) the person who disagrees creates a thread in the battle judgement sub-section listing the reasons why they think the move is invalid. The opponent of said person then makes a post stating their case. These posts are not directed at each other, but just defending your point of view for the Mod who checks the battle to read. A Mod will come in and check the battle, and will render judgement. Once the judgement is decided, that's it. Its final. No questioning, no more further arguing. Accept the judgement.
This would keep the battle thread clean, and prevent things from spiraling out of control. If someone breaks this format by trying to continue arguing in either the battle thread or the judgement thread, then they get punished. Say its an argument in some Ninja World conflict, then they are removed from said conflict.
With that suggestion said, its impossible to accomplish a RP without the members of the community showing respect and having humility. You have to be able to accept defeat, even if you disagree with it. If you are incapable of doing that, then the chances of you having a good time are very slim; and I suggest you try to find some other form of entertainment.
Thanks man,and that sounds like a good suggestion. I will add this to the Sensei forum so others can share their thoughts as well as Jinbei. But Ive been speaking to Nexus about getting something done called the Orange Rule so minor stuff like that doesnt happen and its handled accordingly without bashing and arguments. Great idea dude.
People need to learn how to sometimes be the bigger man and accept defeat..
(Napoleon Dynamite voice)All hail Nagato..! Seriously though, great thread
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@ Blue Not to joke around but I probably could have written a wallie this long about each topic I addressed above but my 2-3 hour time limit on my laptop hinders my ability xd You basically said what I wanted to say and put it out there as mere truth and not bashing. How can we see ourselves growing if more RP mods means things go slower? From the outside looking in, it appears its just going to get worse and worse until noone gives a damn anymore and just doesnt care to RP. Still what I said in my post claims it all..
If you are not fit to do your job effectively and productively then just leave it to someone else who can. Dont let an entire community suffer because you know damn well you are way to busy and you leave people getting trolled for weeks and months on end. Im not talking about Caliburn though, because that sword biting son of a gun has approved so many bios and done so much work BY HIMSELF it gives me a headache thinking about some of the things he does on his own...CONSISTENTLY. I remember when Caliburn and Emp checked the CJ thread everyday man...even Kawagiri at times.. But look at it now...I submit one technique and it takes a month to get checked, then by the time it does all I had to do was add a little note or change some points.. There needs to be some sort of rotation in order to stop the madness..
@Lime Nuff said man.. Caliburn bio checking by himself = God Mode U_U
@ Red I agree thats why I stated what I said in my first post. Even though its not absolute law. Some form of respect needs to be given regarding someone is in a position to teach and share his opinion. Not go back and forth over trivial things. I spoke to Nexus about this earlier today and told me to work on an Orange Rule which I will be posting in the Sensei forum later on to get it looked over by Jinbei. I think it will go hand in hand with what Bahamut said about making a separate place for fight checking where two opposing people state their case and carry on.
Thanks for reading bro..
Thats true man. True fun can be taken into both spectrum though. It just depends on the RPr. I can fight Pervy going all out and create a fun fight giving it all I have while having fun not trying to kill him, and I can also fight someone weaker than me, having some sort of restraint to create fun.
Its all about your goal, which is to have fun at any means....sacrificing your body...taking punches...etc
Thanks bro.. I never meant for this thread about being for the RP to be reset but it seems thats where this thread is going. I just want the corruption and things holding us back either removed or really analyzed and changed. What you said is true, which is why myself and Pervy have mostly fought ourselves int hat fashion..
Lol i can still hear the power hungry in you Oraan >___< lol jk
If anyone wants to see and read really fun RP fights then take a look at this..
This is probably my best RP fight ive had my entire career. Limiting myself to what only Orochimaru can actually use and HAVE FUN
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I don't really agree with the posts saying we should make a new system.
Yes, there are flaws in this system, but from what do these flaws come forth? I hardly think most flaws are there because some people are "OP" and others aren't. The biggest problem in itself, like you stressed out, is people wanting to be OP. And that is something that can't be changed. With any kind of system, people will try to get these powerups, regardless of what the system allows them to. People will always try to find loopholes, will always try to try to sneak their way into it.
It might be hypocrite for me to say this, since I assume I am, or will be, counted towards these "OP" people as I have recently gained Sage mode and Sound Release on my biographies, but then again, simply stating my opinion is my point.
As for your post in general, you perfectly worded how things work out as an RP'er. Starting with only basic 5, being happy as hell to finally have all the cannon stuff under your control. Then, making customs. I think this is the biggest problem, like Mugiwara told me once, and this is a lesson I won't forget. People forget that they shouldn't make customs for the sake of having power. They should make customs for the sake of implementing it in their own way of fighting, and filling up loopholes in their fighting style. People always seem to forget this, and so did I for a while. I hardly have any customs of my own, but the ones I made over the last few months are simply customs to help my fighting style, not to be OP.
The same problem with this is simply by making a biography. People tend to make biographies just for that extra ability. Half of the byakugan users never even come to using gentle fist, or going into close range, but simply have it so they can see all the chakra and can counter stuff. This is the biggest problem, but it's a problem that can not be avoided. People need to figure it out for themselves. Even with moderators overlooking everything, people need to realize that we can't hold their hand with every single decision THEY make, and that they have to figure stuff out for themselves.
Anyways, I'm just going on and on, I simply want to state that I agree with most parts, but not all parts of your post, but nonetheless want to say that it's a good wake up call. Good job.
One last thing though about the whole "there's 10 RP mods but nothing has changed".
I find these kind of posts simply rude and out of line. Members yet again seem to forget that they do enormous amounts of work behind the screens, that members can't see (yet). Saying they don't do anything, because things like customs that aren't checked as fast as they want, or bios getting declined more than usual is a bit a pathetic excuse for saying they don't do their work.
Yes, there are flaws in this system, but from what do these flaws come forth? I hardly think most flaws are there because some people are "OP" and others aren't. The biggest problem in itself, like you stressed out, is people wanting to be OP. And that is something that can't be changed. With any kind of system, people will try to get these powerups, regardless of what the system allows them to. People will always try to find loopholes, will always try to try to sneak their way into it.
It might be hypocrite for me to say this, since I assume I am, or will be, counted towards these "OP" people as I have recently gained Sage mode and Sound Release on my biographies, but then again, simply stating my opinion is my point.
As for your post in general, you perfectly worded how things work out as an RP'er. Starting with only basic 5, being happy as hell to finally have all the cannon stuff under your control. Then, making customs. I think this is the biggest problem, like Mugiwara told me once, and this is a lesson I won't forget. People forget that they shouldn't make customs for the sake of having power. They should make customs for the sake of implementing it in their own way of fighting, and filling up loopholes in their fighting style. People always seem to forget this, and so did I for a while. I hardly have any customs of my own, but the ones I made over the last few months are simply customs to help my fighting style, not to be OP.
The same problem with this is simply by making a biography. People tend to make biographies just for that extra ability. Half of the byakugan users never even come to using gentle fist, or going into close range, but simply have it so they can see all the chakra and can counter stuff. This is the biggest problem, but it's a problem that can not be avoided. People need to figure it out for themselves. Even with moderators overlooking everything, people need to realize that we can't hold their hand with every single decision THEY make, and that they have to figure stuff out for themselves.
Anyways, I'm just going on and on, I simply want to state that I agree with most parts, but not all parts of your post, but nonetheless want to say that it's a good wake up call. Good job.
One last thing though about the whole "there's 10 RP mods but nothing has changed".
I find these kind of posts simply rude and out of line. Members yet again seem to forget that they do enormous amounts of work behind the screens, that members can't see (yet). Saying they don't do anything, because things like customs that aren't checked as fast as they want, or bios getting declined more than usual is a bit a pathetic excuse for saying they don't do their work.
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I quite like the sub-section idea, for a bunch of reasons.A lot of good points in there Nagato.
I just feel like sometimes people take things way too seriously. There is no reason a disagreement over a battle should ever lead to a member removing themselves from the RP. If people take things too seriously and don't respect each other, then disagreements over moves quickly devolve into arguments and personal attack, which is unacceptable.
I'm not in favor of a complete reset, as I think too much work has gone into the current system to throw it all away, but I will offer a suggestion to deal with arguments.
I think this issue can easily be solved by creating a sub-section for battle judgments. Its something I've seen in other RP forums and I think works well. When a disagreement arises (that can't be solved quickly through VMs/PMs/MSN and VMs/PMs/MSN only) the person who disagrees creates a thread in the battle judgement sub-section listing the reasons why they think the move is invalid. The opponent of said person then makes a post stating their case. These posts are not directed at each other, but just defending your point of view for the Mod who checks the battle to read. A Mod will come in and check the battle, and will render judgement. Once the judgement is decided, that's it. Its final. No questioning, no more further arguing. Accept the judgement.
This would keep the battle thread clean, and prevent things from spiraling out of control. If someone breaks this format by trying to continue arguing in either the battle thread or the judgement thread, then they get punished. Say its an argument in some Ninja World conflict, then they are removed from said conflict.
With that suggestion said, its impossible to accomplish a RP without the members of the community showing respect and having humility. You have to be able to accept defeat, even if you disagree with it. If you are incapable of doing that, then the chances of you having a good time are very slim; and I suggest you try to find some other form of entertainment.
A) It seems like the best possible way of keeping arguments out of the battle threads
B) I actually enjoy discussing my and my opponent's moves. Yes, point at me and laugh.
C) Sometimes, in a fight, one party would decide to get a ruling on a move without his opponent knowledge, which allows him to represent his case to a mod/sensei without the opponent having a chance to defend his move. I've seen this happen in a tournament before, where a move was deemed invalid due to requiring a summoning contract. After the ruling was announced, the guy who lost came online and clarified that had in fact signed the contract.
D) The discussion threads will be archived and can be used as reference in the future.
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I don't really agree with the posts saying we should make a new system.
Yes, there are flaws in this system, but from what do these flaws come forth? I hardly think most flaws are there because some people are "OP" and others aren't. The biggest problem in itself, like you stressed out, is people wanting to be OP. And that is something that can't be changed. With any kind of system, people will try to get these powerups, regardless of what the system allows them to. People will always try to find loopholes, will always try to try to sneak their way into it.
It might be hypocrite for me to say this, since I assume I am, or will be, counted towards these "OP" people as I have recently gained Sage mode and Sound Release on my biographies, but then again, simply stating my opinion is my point.
As for your post in general, you perfectly worded how things work out as an RP'er. Starting with only basic 5, being happy as hell to finally have all the cannon stuff under your control. Then, making customs. I think this is the biggest problem, like Mugiwara told me once, and this is a lesson I won't forget. People forget that they shouldn't make customs for the sake of having power. They should make customs for the sake of implementing it in their own way of fighting, and filling up loopholes in their fighting style. People always seem to forget this, and so did I for a while. I hardly have any customs of my own, but the ones I made over the last few months are simply customs to help my fighting style, not to be OP.
The same problem with this is simply by making a biography. People tend to make biographies just for that extra ability. Half of the byakugan users never even come to using gentle fist, or going into close range, but simply have it so they can see all the chakra and can counter stuff. This is the biggest problem, but it's a problem that can not be avoided. People need to figure it out for themselves. Even with moderators overlooking everything, people need to realize that we can't hold their hand with every single decision THEY make, and that they have to figure stuff out for themselves.
Anyways, I'm just going on and on, I simply want to state that I agree with most parts, but not all parts of your post, but nonetheless want to say that it's a good wake up call. Good job.
One last thing though about the whole "there's 10 RP mods but nothing has changed".
I find these kind of posts simply rude and out of line. Members yet again seem to forget that they do enormous amounts of work behind the screens, that members can't see (yet). Saying they don't do anything, because things like customs that aren't checked as fast as they want, or bios getting declined more than usual is a bit a pathetic excuse for saying they don't do their work.
Thanks for saying you agree instead of going off on some random bashing tangent like a lot of people tend to do. I stated in my post about people needing to make customs to defend themselves and help their style of fighting but this gets distorted or tainted by what other people are throwing at them, so can you blame them?
About the RP mods..its not that things are made to simply be rude, but would you call pointing out blatant facts being rude, or just being a great observer of an obvious chronological order of events?
We all know they do things behind the scenes, I dont discredit any of them for all their hard work, especially for Scorps putting up with doing alot of work by himself before the rescue squad came into play, but its hard to not speak up when you notice things are not getting better when common sense should tell you they should.
In my opinion its statements like that that make it hard for people to speak up about how they feel because it makes them feel ashamed to mention it.
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EDIT: I never really tried suggesting a complete redo in my post but that somehow got thrown out there. Id really hate for the point of this thread to get lost in translation of other posts
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If you feel I was being rude or out of line apologize and assure you that that was NOT my intention. If you couldn't tell, I was in no way shape or form bashing any Mod at all whatsoever nor pinpointing anything they were doing as wrong. I was simply stating that with the influx of RP Mods our came the understanding (to the RP community) that things would get done faster and more efficiently. I don't believe that they would have been added otherwise if this were not the goal. I also go on to state that I don't know what they do behind scenes and never will and accept that. However as a community, I can honestly state that what we see is what we get is what we understand. I'm sure when Nexus and the others finish setting up the Anbu squads and everything that goes along with it we will be utterly amazed and grateful in the long run, understanding that they spent time and hard work on this project. But that's in the LONG term. SHORT term RPers look for the things to still improve upon the way things currently are. Things that may seem minuscule to you guys like checking CJ threads and bios are what actually in the short term keep RPers satisfied with the RP, holding out for the big stuff to come in the long run. I believe we expected things to have already been sorted out when the RP mods took their Blue name. But as I said in my previous post, I understand that it may take awhile to TRULY see the effects of what having 10 RP Mods bring. We should remember that nothing within our RP is instant unless it says otherwise.I don't really agree with the posts saying we should make a new system.
Yes, there are flaws in this system, but from what do these flaws come forth? I hardly think most flaws are there because some people are "OP" and others aren't. The biggest problem in itself, like you stressed out, is people wanting to be OP. And that is something that can't be changed. With any kind of system, people will try to get these powerups, regardless of what the system allows them to. People will always try to find loopholes, will always try to try to sneak their way into it.
It might be hypocrite for me to say this, since I assume I am, or will be, counted towards these "OP" people as I have recently gained Sage mode and Sound Release on my biographies, but then again, simply stating my opinion is my point.
As for your post in general, you perfectly worded how things work out as an RP'er. Starting with only basic 5, being happy as hell to finally have all the cannon stuff under your control. Then, making customs. I think this is the biggest problem, like Mugiwara told me once, and this is a lesson I won't forget. People forget that they shouldn't make customs for the sake of having power. They should make customs for the sake of implementing it in their own way of fighting, and filling up loopholes in their fighting style. People always seem to forget this, and so did I for a while. I hardly have any customs of my own, but the ones I made over the last few months are simply customs to help my fighting style, not to be OP.
The same problem with this is simply by making a biography. People tend to make biographies just for that extra ability. Half of the byakugan users never even come to using gentle fist, or going into close range, but simply have it so they can see all the chakra and can counter stuff. This is the biggest problem, but it's a problem that can not be avoided. People need to figure it out for themselves. Even with moderators overlooking everything, people need to realize that we can't hold their hand with every single decision THEY make, and that they have to figure stuff out for themselves.
Anyways, I'm just going on and on, I simply want to state that I agree with most parts, but not all parts of your post, but nonetheless want to say that it's a good wake up call. Good job.
One last thing though about the whole "there's 10 RP mods but nothing has changed".
I find these kind of posts simply rude and out of line. Members yet again seem to forget that they do enormous amounts of work behind the screens, that members can't see (yet). Saying they don't do anything, because things like customs that aren't checked as fast as they want, or bios getting declined more than usual is a bit a pathetic excuse for saying they don't do their work.
Not sure where your from Scorpsy but I'm American so it's a free country. Lol you don't really have to ask to post your opinion, we will read it whether we like it or not. Lol. Besides I'm sure we would all appreciate insight.
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I agree, I have not done so well in the past, even in the near past. There are alot of people that are ungrateful in all forums, some solely joining just to flame others. I have turned over a new leaf and I'm trying to take a bit more responsibility in my actions on here. Sometimes I let loose and say some random things for a laugh, because it's fun to do, laughing with others is good. This place has been a home away from home for me, a place to get lost in and get away from the misery of everyday life. I know others on here think of this place as a getaway just like me, everyone needs a place to escape to.
Lately I have seen this site falling from grace, I left for a while and don't come back that often, it's like some people have taken away the fun of Rp and constantly troll. I don't really mind but everyone takes things too literal these days, I think it's about time that people enjoy this site like we use to. We need more members that abide by rules, help others out, show others how to do things and respect people in general while still having a good time and showing others how to have fun.
Lately I have seen this site falling from grace, I left for a while and don't come back that often, it's like some people have taken away the fun of Rp and constantly troll. I don't really mind but everyone takes things too literal these days, I think it's about time that people enjoy this site like we use to. We need more members that abide by rules, help others out, show others how to do things and respect people in general while still having a good time and showing others how to have fun.
Awesome thread you've made, I'm sure it will open people's eyes. However, there's always the question: How?
We need to be "tighter" as a community, how? People need to stop arguing, how? People need to have more fun, how?
Now, I say these things because it is very difficult to get such a large community, that is ever growing, on the same page. There isn't really a way that will make everyone best friends to stop the "corruption" with things like favoritism, so how do we become a tighter community?
The next one I honestly, at this point, can't see happening. We have so many people saying how arguing isn't fun or doesn't make it fun, yet if you check 3 of their recent fights it's almost inevitable that 1/3 of them will have arguing. But let's say these people that argue do stop. There's always going to be questions posed about moves, and most arguments start by different opinions colliding. So it's like, in a way, taking away people's opinions because they're seen as buzz kills. This doesn't mean I like arguing, it's simply the truth. So with this said, how do we stop arguments?
Then you talk about the drive to always win, well do you do what you do to lose? If you go out and play sport, you play to win. That's just the way people are inclined. I'm all for having fun, but everyone has a different sense of fun. You might enjoy the "doesn't matter who wins, let's just have fun" while other might think winning is fun, so that's what they aim to do. How do we make it fun for everyone?
As for the respect, people don't show respect to sensei and mods, well they don't deserve the opportunity to RP. It should be the first thing people do. I also don't think I have much right to comment on everything to do with the customs. But if I feel like it tomorrow, then I might.
We need to be "tighter" as a community, how? People need to stop arguing, how? People need to have more fun, how?
Now, I say these things because it is very difficult to get such a large community, that is ever growing, on the same page. There isn't really a way that will make everyone best friends to stop the "corruption" with things like favoritism, so how do we become a tighter community?
The next one I honestly, at this point, can't see happening. We have so many people saying how arguing isn't fun or doesn't make it fun, yet if you check 3 of their recent fights it's almost inevitable that 1/3 of them will have arguing. But let's say these people that argue do stop. There's always going to be questions posed about moves, and most arguments start by different opinions colliding. So it's like, in a way, taking away people's opinions because they're seen as buzz kills. This doesn't mean I like arguing, it's simply the truth. So with this said, how do we stop arguments?
Then you talk about the drive to always win, well do you do what you do to lose? If you go out and play sport, you play to win. That's just the way people are inclined. I'm all for having fun, but everyone has a different sense of fun. You might enjoy the "doesn't matter who wins, let's just have fun" while other might think winning is fun, so that's what they aim to do. How do we make it fun for everyone?
As for the respect, people don't show respect to sensei and mods, well they don't deserve the opportunity to RP. It should be the first thing people do. I also don't think I have much right to comment on everything to do with the customs. But if I feel like it tomorrow, then I might.
Ok, lets start with the whole arguments part. The problem here isn't the sytem but rather the members. I won't point names but all of the active RPears have been following the Ninja World events right? Everything is quite clear there when you see that one of the oldest, most respected Senseis in NB (SY) deems something invalid, justifies it and its dismissed as a ridiculous bias rant. And that is only the tip of the iceberg. So, there the problem isn't the system but the members in the system. The obsession with Winning is stupid and ridiculous. And worse than that, when that obsession kicks in, not even a mods, sensei or perhaps even admins opinion matters. Its all deemed bias and corrupt and what not. I can say this from perhaps have having the quickest (or one of the quickest) ascensions of all times in the RP. I started to RP in April 2011. I was modded in January 2012. In those 8 months I became senpai, then sensei, then mod. I know both sides and sadly, the problem in the matter of the arguments is not the oped techniques or the power struggle or whatever it might be. Its the members and their atittude towards the RP in general. No one can conceed and admit they failed or that they are wrong. And even those who will shout out "I admit defeat!", 95% are lying and from those, 99% only admit it when a brigade of mods and senseis posts their opinion and the other 1% never admit. So in concerns to the arguments, for me, its not a problem with the system but rather a problem with its members thus I doubt it can have any solution. If anyone finds one, let me know.
Konoha town is a clear reflex of the population of our RP. It goes days without a report...yet it doesn't go more than a minute without a rule breaking post/action. Where is the role play? Where is the reasonable, sensible conduct? No where. When I see the homophobic, racist, religious insults flying with the ease of a hot knife cutting through butter in a community like this one, sorry but I can't point the faults at the system in that regard.
Now, RP mods and CJ thread and etc. Where to start? Ok, first things first, I'll try to talk more about the field i'm responsible for which is the custom field, as I'm the Head of the Customs. So, lets start: you assume that when Emperor and Caliburn checked CJs that the thread had the same amount of submissions it has now per week. Its true that you had 5 techs per week instead of 3 like now but instead of 100+ submissions in a cycle, you had 40. Not only that but checking was faster. Why? Because for one, restrictions were softer and less rigor was applied, second, there weren't so many submissions already approved thus the process of "similar technique existing" was way easier and less time consumiing to apply and third, less abilities were available thus customs were in essence simpler, even if more powerful at times. So, when in 2009/2010 the thread was smoothly ran, it was so because there were less submissions overall, less bio tests, less reports, etc. Thus you could dedicate more time to keeping the easier than now thread flowing. Regarding the current state of things, I wasn't here last week thus my checking was missed and it fell under xylon and passion. Thus why it was closed. But a quick question: does anyone remember or know in a quick manner how long it takes to check a full page of 30 submissions with 3 techniques each? Well, I'm generally a fast checker and it takes me about one hour and a half to two hours. Xylon and Passion are obviously slower as they are still learning the ropes. And this is considering that during those 2 hours i'm solely focused on the CJ thread. Now in a cycle, you get about 4 to 5 pages of 30 submissions (or 25, i don't know by heart). lets assume 4...x2 = 8 hours of checking per week. You may deem it easy or reasonable but lets add the maths. How many bio tests are undergoing or pending checking? How many Vms/Pms do we get per day for requests, opinions, questions, etc? How many bio rules are we doing each? How many cannon techniques are we doing? how many cannon techniques do we have pending checking? how many reports are done? how many issues are brought to our attention to resolve? how many CFS are pending check? how many CE? how many CEJ? how many bios? how many arguments? how many complaints? how many training threads we are conducting? What I mean to say is, yes we have 10 RP mods but don't hink that any of us is slacking. We don't only do CJs and bios and the other submission threads. And members don't make it easier on us when instead of abiding by the opinion of a sensei, they run directly to a mod where instead or searching tfor a bio rule, they ask a mod. All of that makes our duties quite scathered and means we need to span our attention into a wide spectrum of activities.
Now, having said that, I'm going to be blunt (like i tend to be) and say that your notion of less mods is basically unfair and illogical. Why? Before these 5 new additions and when Alucard, Emperor, Zen and Roku were busy with their studies, I did most of the bio test, sensei and CJ checks. You all know that. It was visible. I checked like 200 techniques per week (at one point i had 7 pages to be checked and closed the thread to check them, leading to an avalanche of complaints), plus countless vms, pms, bio tests, etc. Now, at one point I got an average of 50-100 vms per day. Trust me, if I need to go through that again, I won't. Nor will any other mod, Why? because thats not how a good work is done. Its illogical and inpractical to put so much work and load on a single person. The result is a crumpy, harsh, angry, tired, intolerant scorps. Or any other mod for that matter.
Just to let you guys have a feeling of what is my work load currently or my to do list i'll post a minor set (and i assure you, we all have a similar work list):
-CJ thread needs to be put update
-Conducting 2 bio tests
-Training 8 people
-Custom Justu user group needs cleaning
-Report and moderation (threads, insults, etc)
-Finish the new training method i was doing with Lili and Reborn
Ok, these are visible right?Lets do the invisible
-Currently doing 4 major bio rules although I can only point Madara (helped zen with that one) and Obito at this moment
-Revmping a whole list of special techniques that needed a severe update (MS/Sharingan ones) and its own abilities
-Updating the cannon summoning animals to fit the template we use now
-I have about 100 cannons to recheck with Zen and introduce into the sytem
-Miscelaneous rules that are being updated
Now, these trust me take up tons of time and effort. And i'm not longer the one with the highest work load. So trust me, Its not like the 10 of us are simply....hum...being blue. >_>
We all were separated in sections and each of us have our work to do (that organization will be posted by Nexus I think). But entering this position a new is something that takes time to adapt and fully master. Its weird to suddenly be the authority figure or to have your friends suddenly trying to get things out of you or trying to get the upper hand on others because of your blue name. And not to talk about the hate that declining a technique, deeming someone a loser or denying a permission brings. It takes time.
Cleaning the system and starting a new? If thats to happen, sorry but I won't be part of it. Too much work for 4 and a half years have been put on the current RP to be simply "cleaned". Its as simple as that.
Orange rule or whatever the rule would be could be a good point....if we assumed all senseis to be fair and unbias. Blunt reality is that you'd go to your friend who is a sensei to judge your battle and he'll be tempted to give the reasoning to you and thus the result would be the same...Don't know how much good that would effectively bring in the long run tbh. Perhaps I don't have enough faith but with the current, recent events in the Ninja World, I lost almost all of what little faith I had in our members conduct and demeanor.
Now, regarding the rest of all posts, its simply stating what we know. The RP has a system which is everlastingly changing when the members are everlastingly growing in numbers. Where before there was a small loving (or not...lol) family, you know have a bunch of people trying to get the upper hand on each other. And when I say a bunch, I mean tons more people.
But I also see some "irreasonable" (pardon the expression) demeanor in most members. A bio waiting 2 weeks to be approved? I had one bio waiting for 3 or 4 weeks before Nexus checked it. A CJ waiting one or 2 weeks for checking? I had them waiting for a month before. CE? My protein is still pending check...If i'm not mistaken its been over 2 months. So, what people also don't get is that the RP isn't a fast paced system. Its a complex machine where many things take time. Impatience and abuse only makes it run slower.
I agree we have problems and accept most of those which were pointed out and I understand them but we will always have them. What I need to see is more solutions something that no one can come up with. Viable at least.
Just my 2 cents...perhaps a bit more though
Konoha town is a clear reflex of the population of our RP. It goes days without a report...yet it doesn't go more than a minute without a rule breaking post/action. Where is the role play? Where is the reasonable, sensible conduct? No where. When I see the homophobic, racist, religious insults flying with the ease of a hot knife cutting through butter in a community like this one, sorry but I can't point the faults at the system in that regard.
Now, RP mods and CJ thread and etc. Where to start? Ok, first things first, I'll try to talk more about the field i'm responsible for which is the custom field, as I'm the Head of the Customs. So, lets start: you assume that when Emperor and Caliburn checked CJs that the thread had the same amount of submissions it has now per week. Its true that you had 5 techs per week instead of 3 like now but instead of 100+ submissions in a cycle, you had 40. Not only that but checking was faster. Why? Because for one, restrictions were softer and less rigor was applied, second, there weren't so many submissions already approved thus the process of "similar technique existing" was way easier and less time consumiing to apply and third, less abilities were available thus customs were in essence simpler, even if more powerful at times. So, when in 2009/2010 the thread was smoothly ran, it was so because there were less submissions overall, less bio tests, less reports, etc. Thus you could dedicate more time to keeping the easier than now thread flowing. Regarding the current state of things, I wasn't here last week thus my checking was missed and it fell under xylon and passion. Thus why it was closed. But a quick question: does anyone remember or know in a quick manner how long it takes to check a full page of 30 submissions with 3 techniques each? Well, I'm generally a fast checker and it takes me about one hour and a half to two hours. Xylon and Passion are obviously slower as they are still learning the ropes. And this is considering that during those 2 hours i'm solely focused on the CJ thread. Now in a cycle, you get about 4 to 5 pages of 30 submissions (or 25, i don't know by heart). lets assume 4...x2 = 8 hours of checking per week. You may deem it easy or reasonable but lets add the maths. How many bio tests are undergoing or pending checking? How many Vms/Pms do we get per day for requests, opinions, questions, etc? How many bio rules are we doing each? How many cannon techniques are we doing? how many cannon techniques do we have pending checking? how many reports are done? how many issues are brought to our attention to resolve? how many CFS are pending check? how many CE? how many CEJ? how many bios? how many arguments? how many complaints? how many training threads we are conducting? What I mean to say is, yes we have 10 RP mods but don't hink that any of us is slacking. We don't only do CJs and bios and the other submission threads. And members don't make it easier on us when instead of abiding by the opinion of a sensei, they run directly to a mod where instead or searching tfor a bio rule, they ask a mod. All of that makes our duties quite scathered and means we need to span our attention into a wide spectrum of activities.
Now, having said that, I'm going to be blunt (like i tend to be) and say that your notion of less mods is basically unfair and illogical. Why? Before these 5 new additions and when Alucard, Emperor, Zen and Roku were busy with their studies, I did most of the bio test, sensei and CJ checks. You all know that. It was visible. I checked like 200 techniques per week (at one point i had 7 pages to be checked and closed the thread to check them, leading to an avalanche of complaints), plus countless vms, pms, bio tests, etc. Now, at one point I got an average of 50-100 vms per day. Trust me, if I need to go through that again, I won't. Nor will any other mod, Why? because thats not how a good work is done. Its illogical and inpractical to put so much work and load on a single person. The result is a crumpy, harsh, angry, tired, intolerant scorps. Or any other mod for that matter.
Just to let you guys have a feeling of what is my work load currently or my to do list i'll post a minor set (and i assure you, we all have a similar work list):
-CJ thread needs to be put update
-Conducting 2 bio tests
-Training 8 people
-Custom Justu user group needs cleaning
-Report and moderation (threads, insults, etc)
-Finish the new training method i was doing with Lili and Reborn
Ok, these are visible right?Lets do the invisible
-Currently doing 4 major bio rules although I can only point Madara (helped zen with that one) and Obito at this moment
-Revmping a whole list of special techniques that needed a severe update (MS/Sharingan ones) and its own abilities
-Updating the cannon summoning animals to fit the template we use now
-I have about 100 cannons to recheck with Zen and introduce into the sytem
-Miscelaneous rules that are being updated
Now, these trust me take up tons of time and effort. And i'm not longer the one with the highest work load. So trust me, Its not like the 10 of us are simply....hum...being blue. >_>
We all were separated in sections and each of us have our work to do (that organization will be posted by Nexus I think). But entering this position a new is something that takes time to adapt and fully master. Its weird to suddenly be the authority figure or to have your friends suddenly trying to get things out of you or trying to get the upper hand on others because of your blue name. And not to talk about the hate that declining a technique, deeming someone a loser or denying a permission brings. It takes time.
Cleaning the system and starting a new? If thats to happen, sorry but I won't be part of it. Too much work for 4 and a half years have been put on the current RP to be simply "cleaned". Its as simple as that.
Orange rule or whatever the rule would be could be a good point....if we assumed all senseis to be fair and unbias. Blunt reality is that you'd go to your friend who is a sensei to judge your battle and he'll be tempted to give the reasoning to you and thus the result would be the same...Don't know how much good that would effectively bring in the long run tbh. Perhaps I don't have enough faith but with the current, recent events in the Ninja World, I lost almost all of what little faith I had in our members conduct and demeanor.
Now, regarding the rest of all posts, its simply stating what we know. The RP has a system which is everlastingly changing when the members are everlastingly growing in numbers. Where before there was a small loving (or not...lol) family, you know have a bunch of people trying to get the upper hand on each other. And when I say a bunch, I mean tons more people.
But I also see some "irreasonable" (pardon the expression) demeanor in most members. A bio waiting 2 weeks to be approved? I had one bio waiting for 3 or 4 weeks before Nexus checked it. A CJ waiting one or 2 weeks for checking? I had them waiting for a month before. CE? My protein is still pending check...If i'm not mistaken its been over 2 months. So, what people also don't get is that the RP isn't a fast paced system. Its a complex machine where many things take time. Impatience and abuse only makes it run slower.
I agree we have problems and accept most of those which were pointed out and I understand them but we will always have them. What I need to see is more solutions something that no one can come up with. Viable at least.
Just my 2 cents...perhaps a bit more though
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Reads that someone in the ninja world disagreed with SY and am in complete and utter disbelief. I won't bother going to check I'll take your word for it, as I'm only ever really in the Ninja World when Iwa is involved.
As for your workload, visible and invisible. I gulp at seeing the word reports. Having no idea what that entails and take out my suggestion of having 2 sensei or one RP mod and simply leave it at 2 sensei. Lol. But we all know how little of a change that brings.
I can't speak for everyone but I actually try to save Senseis that I am friends with as a last resort because I don't want to hear those thoughts coming from some people. It is also the reason, unfortunately, that depending on whom I battle, I don't go to certain sensei as they are my opponents friends. That in the long run, as I'm sure you can attest, is the reason I more often than not find myself coming to you or Emperor for a decisions in a fight or when Me and Nagato came to you for the CM3/CM1.5 (partial transformation) idea. I may not always understand or even like your thoughts behind things, but I hope I have shown to respect it or at least not show blatant disrespect.
Your workload (RP Mods) put into perspective leads me to withdraw previous statements. It doesn't make them less true. Even more-so in fact, but I'm willing to throw all RP mod talk off the table until a few months has passed and we see a lessened blow on you guys. I on my own end will try to lessen my want to contact you guys with trivial matters. It's just that I like to operate under better safe than sorry.
I'll await Nagato's Orange Rule to see how that helps anything.
I don't really have much else say in the matter of this thread except to wait to see how things improve. U_U
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Where has this jaded opinion of me came from, i just finished a good fun fight with SY in the ninja world we both effectively shook hands with no arguements at the end, i had his final move checked well, i didn't even have it checked i was going to ask someone to check it before logging off to work but i forgot logged back on and it had been checked i agreed made a joke and was off, what exactly do i need to learn from this i agree with this in fact 90% of what was said in this has been said by me zero nagato and several others over the course of a month, you have been on the site for under a year i have been preaching this for longer then you have actually been here so please....stop with that attitude its doing you no favors other then simply proving what Nagato just said by venting your frustration about being a "lower classed rper" on someone who spent a year learning the basics got a few cool customs and a nice bio.
On topic i find myself agreeing with scorps, this shouldn't be a daily RP for most people, i think its nice to be active have spars and do the usual stuff but there is no need to rush any of this, i look to the OPB roleplay and see the benefits of a slower turn based RP.
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This is coming from a noob perspective, go easy:
This thread was stunning.
Coming from a new member like myself to RP, I admit it, I look up to all those great names in RP and it's the reason why I joined the system because I want to become known like them, and I think everyone else has the same dream as well. There's no reason why anyone doesn't deserve those opportunities.
Now, ever since I've joined just over a month ago, I've had some training in Katon with Gaara, awoke my Sharingan with Pervy (who's now left) and you granted me a spot for wind training last night, Nagato... All in all, I've enjoyed RP'ing. I'm in a Sunagakure 2 v 2 Tournament with Genryusai, and hell it's fun! I don't even care about losing! The thrill of thinking about counters is simply fun, and I think that's what RP'ing is all about.
On a more anime related note, even Madara said 'in this world, there'll be winners and losers', so even if you argue and end up winning your fight on NB, your opponent will lose. What you need to accept, is that there will be a loser! If it's you, accept it! Stop making the RP system formulated about winning and arguing.
On the note of senseis and RP mods, it's true what Scorps said, that the new RP mods just need to get suited to their new roles since it's only been a while since they were promoted. But I do agree with what you mentioned about people getting stripped of their orange name if they can't do their job properly. During my experience on RP, I've seen far too many senseis who either have their profiles private, or who aren't taking students at the moment or only in some RP (not due to their training being full).
Being a sensei is stressful, but aren't you meant to be prepared to bear that burden when you submit your application to become a sensei? It's not just about getting a nice orange name. It's unfortunate, because the majority of senseis aren't like that! They're actually very hardworking and enjoy teaching! But I think, if you aren't prepared to take on that role and embrace it, give up, and let someone else wear that title of 'sensei' with pride to give all members the chance to become better and let their name shine which is what makes RP so fun.
What most senseis do, and is a really good idea, is to link all your training threads on your profile, to give members an idea of how much training you actually have at the moment, and not simply just writing a vague message saying ''Not taking students''. Members often tend to get easily irritable and moody when a sensei isn't taking students, so it's selfish and ignorant to simply blame the senseis. By being less vague, and explaining why you cannot take students, less members will get annoyed and come to terms with you.
Overall, if you Nagato.., and all other senseis, keep that spirit up you'll go far along with this system which has had so much effort put it.
This thread was stunning.
Coming from a new member like myself to RP, I admit it, I look up to all those great names in RP and it's the reason why I joined the system because I want to become known like them, and I think everyone else has the same dream as well. There's no reason why anyone doesn't deserve those opportunities.
Now, ever since I've joined just over a month ago, I've had some training in Katon with Gaara, awoke my Sharingan with Pervy (who's now left) and you granted me a spot for wind training last night, Nagato... All in all, I've enjoyed RP'ing. I'm in a Sunagakure 2 v 2 Tournament with Genryusai, and hell it's fun! I don't even care about losing! The thrill of thinking about counters is simply fun, and I think that's what RP'ing is all about.
On a more anime related note, even Madara said 'in this world, there'll be winners and losers', so even if you argue and end up winning your fight on NB, your opponent will lose. What you need to accept, is that there will be a loser! If it's you, accept it! Stop making the RP system formulated about winning and arguing.
On the note of senseis and RP mods, it's true what Scorps said, that the new RP mods just need to get suited to their new roles since it's only been a while since they were promoted. But I do agree with what you mentioned about people getting stripped of their orange name if they can't do their job properly. During my experience on RP, I've seen far too many senseis who either have their profiles private, or who aren't taking students at the moment or only in some RP (not due to their training being full).
Being a sensei is stressful, but aren't you meant to be prepared to bear that burden when you submit your application to become a sensei? It's not just about getting a nice orange name. It's unfortunate, because the majority of senseis aren't like that! They're actually very hardworking and enjoy teaching! But I think, if you aren't prepared to take on that role and embrace it, give up, and let someone else wear that title of 'sensei' with pride to give all members the chance to become better and let their name shine which is what makes RP so fun.
What most senseis do, and is a really good idea, is to link all your training threads on your profile, to give members an idea of how much training you actually have at the moment, and not simply just writing a vague message saying ''Not taking students''. Members often tend to get easily irritable and moody when a sensei isn't taking students, so it's selfish and ignorant to simply blame the senseis. By being less vague, and explaining why you cannot take students, less members will get annoyed and come to terms with you.
Overall, if you Nagato.., and all other senseis, keep that spirit up you'll go far along with this system which has had so much effort put it.
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Don't take me wrong. I like answering the vms and helping the members out. I try my best to do so and its part of my job here. No doubt about it. But when people ask "Scorps, what do I need to make a Hashirama bio?" or "Scorps, how can I learn EIG?" or even worse "Scorps, which rank is swamp of the udnerworld?" its in essence a waste of our time. And trust me, its really a matter of lazyness. 90% of the question i'm asked in VMS or PMS are either clearly explained in my Profile Message or available in clearly identified areas of the RP.
Regarding the RP mods issue i just want people to try and understand its not that fast. I remember when I started. It took like 2 months to be fully at ease and confortable with all I needed to do. Just try and understand that.
When you see senseis that partake in those actions, use the report button, even in a random post of that sensei or vm or whatever and explain what that sensei is doing. We will take that and evaluate the situation. Using the report button makes sure that you don't need to identify yourself nor to publicly adress the issu thus safeguarding you from being confronted by someone who might catch that vm or thread. Its the safest way. Use the report button and help us actually see these issues. Remember that most of us mod don't actually RP that much and some minor behavioral traits or even profile messages etc sometimes aren't immediatly detected and pass under the radar. Help us and in the process it helps you which helps the system. Cooperation. Scorps for president. :scorps: Lol
Well I do not see the reason for this part of the post.
The thread creator posted frustration "from not being able to achieve certain things" as a reason for arguments, and I do not see this post touching that particular aspect.
But since you have brought out the ninja world events, we can see how SY himself handled the situation. And we can also see how you did. That in particular is a reason why we have that undeniable respect for SY. He respects his fellow RP'er no matter who he may be or what his shortcomings.
Well if you want to moderate every nook and cranny of NB. Be my guest.
But as we will see in your own post eventually, you really are hard put to go through your mod duties. I wonder then, how could such a person have the time to visit Konoha town, and find "the homophobic, racist, religious insults flying with the ease of a hot knife cutting through butter" posts when he himself said that "It goes days without a report"
Well, this can be corrected. Since the CJ thread forms the largest work load for the mods. We can divide the work. We have like 10 mods right?? 10 jutsus a week for each mod makes 100 jutsus for the week. And now lets consider the number of active members required to make the necessary submissions, it will be 33 active people. Anything above this will fall under the control of the dedicated CJ mods.
Also some other additions can be made to tackle this problem which I am sure some members would be able to come up with. If you are being over-worked ask the admins to suggest some solutions. Ask the members to come up with suggestions. You don't have to bear this silently, you know.
This I agree with. Less mods is not the solution.
Again I do not see the point of allowing the RP mods, to continue with trainings, considering their added responsibilities. The only case in which this could be allowed is if the RP mod himself enjoys teaching. In which case I don't see the point why they should complain.
Training methods also are solely the premise of the sensie, and should only reach the moderator when it is in it's final stages and needs approval.
Report and moderation is also something that the Non-RP global mods and Non - RP mods should be looking at. Except for ninja world affairs and official battle arguments. Also in this case we actually have 4 non RP related mods out of which 2 are Global mods.
Battle tests is again something the sensies should sign up for and not mods. (Unless they enjoy doing it)
Because Battle test is also a good way for Sensies to enrich there knowledge about the charachters they generally don't RP with.
Also this is another thing that could be solved through discussion. I think the people doing the invisible work should only do that.... why do you want to encumber them with other duties??
Keep separate mods for the invisible work and separate mods for the visible work.
From what I read, it looks like you yourself are trying to do too many things and then complain you cannot do them efficiently.
I don't know what you mean by the bolded part. But did you just seriously post that??
Yeah I have nothing to say about this @_@
Dude, My bio is now in the bio section for the 5th straight week and I don't even need Nexus for it's approval.
I have felt this for a long time but Caliburn is being overworked ~_~
Now I like the part where you agree we have problems, but the very next line the highlighted part is what I dislike. This should not be the attitude. If there is a problem, overcome it.
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