NB RolePlay...Seriously what the hell?

[KeotsuEclipse]

Honestly I think some mods would commit suicide if their years of work were wiped xD

Still, it could potentially be the best course of actions. At what point do you have to keep putting band-aids on a broken system before you finally break down and make a new one?

...I miss the Bleach RP. >_<

 

[Nagato..]

That vm message was kinda deep
and i agree with it

I honestly wasnt going to post this, but when I received that VM, i had a sudden change of heart

I honestly don't think I've read something that lengthy on this site and the thought of "This is a crap wall of text" never crossed my mind. That was a perfect address to what many of us want to say .. We've just never put it into the terms in which you did. Really good. Really good. . . . My mans

Thank you

Read the whole thing.This is all true and agree without you Nagato.. we need to cut this shit out.

Yes we do and thank you

U_U honestly it's all true especially the arguments

*looks at the Ninja world threads* -_-

One of my inspirations to this thread.. >_>

damn son where'd you find this?

Seriously though, this is one of the most perfect threads ive ever read

Built up emotion over the past two years of drama, feeling like I wasted my time amongst other emotions..

It's members like nagato that make it worth visiting this site . enjoyed this read was very insightful

This post almost made me tear up. I wish other people viewed me that way. But you know people like me are never in a position to ever do anything about our problems.

I want to add to this myself.
Firstly, I've been here well over three years. I've been a sensei in the past and I am one now.
And guess what?
I don't have anything. I don't know Sharingan, anything OP, I dropped my customs, and the only thing I ever learned was Byakugan (for a test), Wood, and Shadow. I learned Wood because Tenzo was my username at the time, and he was my favorite character in Naruto. Shikamaru, likewise, also shares a similar spot. I role play as them because I enjoy acting out their motives, their character, and their personality.
The point of RPing is to have fun. We don't benefit from it in real life in any manner. Naturally, we come to NarutoBase for our own enjoyments and it's important to keep this in mind.

I also must say one more thing.
Senseis and students have the same social level. Just because someone became a sensei, it does in NO MANNER make them godlike. Do not treat them like that. You deserve the same respect as they do. They should not be ignoring anyone, treating you like you're a lower form in society, or looking down upon you. I am sick of that. We are all human and should have the same deference. Furthermore, a student and a sensei should have a relationship, just like the manga. Our duty is to help people learn, not to lord over them. This may also apply to mods.


Also, don't consistently strive to become OP. Strive to make RP fun, keep it the way it's meant to be. Because, like Alexander the Great said, if you conquer everything, and there's nothing left to conquer, what happiness and meaning is there left in it?

Another member who was similar to that way of thinking was Dan (The Pervy Sage)

We fought using only cannon techniques and limiting ourselves to only one or two elements in order to make the fight realistic. he was the first person to awaken me out of the way I used to fight. You were another that made me realize that this isnt worth it. We need to return to our roots.

I wonder how effective it would be if we wipe the entire thing clean, and start over, perhaps with a better system (*coughs*Zero Kelvin's suggestions*coughs*). Yes, it would be hated in the short run. But, like most things, it'll be better in the future.

Overall, nice thread - excellent message.

People would feel like they wasted years of their RP career, but nonetheless I would completely support it.

If I could wipe away 2 years of nonsense and replace it with a clean future of fun, happiness and eventful meaning to my RP experience than its completely worth it, and I thank you for reading my lengthy post man..

Someone link this to ReXii, he can learn a thing or two.

I'd like to post a quote of Akihiko.

No need to bash or flame kind sir..

Votes as best Fan Fiction!
(Sorry for irrelevant post its just a very powerful message(read it 3 times))

Thanks xd

Thumbs up to this ^

I specifically liked the last sentence, when you do something you do it because you like it, you want to have fun with it, people look at power ups like they are the reason they are here, they just wanna get them so bad that they would start to argue, and flame just to reach it, no matter the means but when they do reach it what now? it's not worth anything anymore, reaching it like that actually you will feel less of yourself, and all you simply do is use those powers to your heart's contant, spamming them and striving to win, in the end you'll just lose interest, either try to get your hands on some more powers, or simply leave the RP community, because that spark you had that made the RP fun for you, is now gone.

Now don't get me wrong, i'm not saying don't get the power ups you want, just prepare yourself for them, then get them fair and square, i realize it might be hard, and might take a long time, but when you do get them you'd only grow more interested in the RP, rather than leave it, you'll try to have fun with it, not simply use it as means to win against weaker opponents, people are competitive in nature, use that nature in a good way, not flame or present arguments just for the sake of winning, it will make people think less of you and like i said before you'd think less of you.

And thanks Nagato for that awesome dialogue @_@, i honestly didn't feel the time passing by when i was reading it, you addressed the problems we're having in a nice, non bashing way, thanks and likes for you bro ^^

No problem man, you really know how I feel about the RP. Thanks for reading. Problem is..

people know we have a problem, but dont do anything about it because theyre scared..

 

[Sanzen]

I feel like people take rp to seriously at points now. The arguments are ridiculous, so what you lost? If you win, you get some practice under your belt, if you lose, well you learned what not to do or maybe to try something new. I wasn't here for the "good times" of rp but from what I have heard and seen, people could pop into rp threads post memes or jump into fights and not get reported. Now heaven forbid people do that and all hell breaks lose.

This obviously took some time, it was well written and thought out.

 

[-Yard-]

Still, it could potentially be the best course of actions. At what point do you have to keep putting band-aids on a broken system before you finally break down and make a new one?

...I miss the Bleach RP. >_<

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All jokes aside I think it would be cool if a sister site of nb made a naruto RP, tried everything out how they'd want it to be, and use successful mechanics here.

 

[Ciberr]

Thank you

You're welcome . This thread actually put me in a good mood, hopefully some change will be about us.*

I feel like people take rp to seriously at points now. The arguments are ridiculous, so what you lost? If you win, you get some practice under your belt, if you lose, well you learned what not to do or maybe to try something new. I wasn't here for the "good times" of rp but from what I have heard and seen, people could pop into rp threads post memes or jump into fights and not get reported. Now heaven forbid people do that and all hell breaks lose.

This obviously took some time, it was well written and thought out.

My thoughts all the time (Bold).

 

[Rodukaime Namikaze]

Yes! I completely noticed from a whole year how the attitude of people changed and even myself in the RP. I remember how excited I was to get the Storm Release bio. I got it and then saw how people would start to change when the opportunity of getting more powerful came. I no longer enjoyed RP like when I only had D rank moves...instead everyone is just using the big attacks for the quick kill. Heck, majority of people that I started with in the RP no longer talk to me.
I now look to talking to the older people and favorite senseis instead of constantly wanting to get stronger every aching second. I hope I can have a battle where it can be fun and not worry about losing due to a small detail.

Thank you Nagato-sensei

 

[Igneel]

I'm glad I was part of the inspiration that made you do this.But I don't wanna ponder over that stuff.


If people who fight against me fights for fun,I never argue with them about their moves.If I have a problem,I specify it in my post very casually and continue on.But no,people don't Rp for fun,all they want is one move pawns which is basically crap.Does that show skill?Does that sound fun to you?Thats just sad and pathetic.

 

[~Hasashi~]

I'm glad I was part of the inspiration that made you do this.But I don't wanna ponder over that stuff.


If people who fight against me fights for fun,I never argue with them about their moves.If I have a problem,I specify it in my post very casually and continue on.But no,people don't Rp for fun,all they want is one move pawns which is basically crap.Does that show skill?Does that sound fun to you?Thats just sad and pathetic.

Indeed, whenever I fought in spar, I always just continued on in the same manner, it's official fights that have the arguments(or should be only that anyway).

 

[Hazure]

I am what you would consider an 'Old Generation' NB member. I have been a member for over 3 years and I have gone inactive twice due to me, personally, finding the site losing its enjoyment. I am not one that seeks power, I am like Nagato and Pervy and Akihiko, I enjoy role playing as the characters and so what if I just so happen to have some powerful Customs?

I have been at 1 tomoe Sharingan for 3 years because the amount if Uchiha bios were making me think, WTH why are they so popular? *The following wall of text has been censored by Genryūsai as he does not feel up to writing another wall of text on a friends thread xd**


EDIT: Nagato.. I agree with you 1000% Thanks for posting this ^_^

 

[Typhon]

A lot of good points in there Nagato.

I just feel like sometimes people take things way too seriously. There is no reason a disagreement over a battle should ever lead to a member removing themselves from the RP. If people take things too seriously and don't respect each other, then disagreements over moves quickly devolve into arguments and personal attack, which is unacceptable.

I'm not in favor of a complete reset, as I think too much work has gone into the current system to throw it all away, but I will offer a suggestion to deal with arguments.

I think this issue can easily be solved by creating a sub-section for battle judgments. Its something I've seen in other RP forums and I think works well. When a disagreement arises (that can't be solved quickly through VMs/PMs/MSN and VMs/PMs/MSN only) the person who disagrees creates a thread in the battle judgement sub-section listing the reasons why they think the move is invalid. The opponent of said person then makes a post stating their case. These posts are not directed at each other, but just defending your point of view for the Mod who checks the battle to read. A Mod will come in and check the battle, and will render judgement. Once the judgement is decided, that's it. Its final. No questioning, no more further arguing. Accept the judgement.

This would keep the battle thread clean, and prevent things from spiraling out of control. If someone breaks this format by trying to continue arguing in either the battle thread or the judgement thread, then they get punished. Say its an argument in some Ninja World conflict, then they are removed from said conflict.

With that suggestion said, its impossible to accomplish a RP without the members of the community showing respect and having humility. You have to be able to accept defeat, even if you disagree with it. If you are incapable of doing that, then the chances of you having a good time are very slim; and I suggest you try to find some other form of entertainment.

 

[The Mockingjay]

All hail Nagato..! Seriously though, great thread xox

 

[Zatanna]

I like what youve written and how you've expressed it.

I think I agree mostly with what you have written.

From a new RPers point of perspective, What I strive for is to be like those of old, because they seem to be the bar.
I want to surpass them.
Not with ability, but in terms of RP wise like Being a kage or something.
Not through jutsu but through leadership.

 

[Nara..]

+ rep thousand times if possible

 

[BlacKing]

You know what. I'm quite pleased with your overall message and even reading between some of the whispers in your wording that I can tell that you wanted to say but didnt as a way to get the overall message out and stay on topic.

I also agree with the point of RP Mods and the fact that NB should be preaching Quality over Quantity. I have nothing against any of the current mods, and actually am and was quite pleased with the decision to have so many. I count 10 RP Mods.

SY, Riku, Xylon, Jinbei, Scorps, Emperor, RokuNR, Passion, Zen(Nirvana), Alucard

Like Nagato said, there used to only be 5. We have in increase of member's and a serious increase beyond my wildest imaginations of RP Mod, the bolded members being the newly added.

I expected for them to either simply work together collectively to get EVERYTHING done, or to get everything divided equally where AT LEAST 2 RP mods....actually 3 RP Mods share a role in getting things done. I understand that they all have lives, we all do. But to have an influx of Mods and SEE no result worries me a bit. Nothing has changed so far. I don't know what they do behind the scenes, and I accept the fact that I will never know unless I am elected to become a Mod myself. However I can speak as one of the people, and say that it doesnt LOOK good when you have additional Mods and you see no real change in the way things get done. We (The NB RP Community) expected that things would run more smoothly now with more Mods in place. The fact that things have actually appeared to actually slowed to a crawl makes us wonder what exactly is going on.

We have seen a few improvements on the system. Nexus' 6 Village Notification Thread and the contents that are inside achieved by himself and others (Minato and other RP Mods) are gladly welcomed within the RP as a means to increase wanted participation and help. Yet at the same time, the areas that we care about most are being neglected. The Bio Section for example. I know some people who have and are still waiting at least 2 weeks to get a bio checked. Credits to Caliburn for being able to do what he does, checking as many bios as he has over who knows how long....lets just say I've been on this site for over two years and Caliburn has approved or declined all of my bios except for TWO. I commend him for his efforts, and understand that I am just one to two bios a month that he has to check....and I dont even submit my bio monthly. To add the amount of the RP community Minus the RP Mods and Medical Ninja(Nexus checks them) Caliburn, as far as I can remember, has single handedly checked a vast majority of NB's Bios. He may be busy in real life, but putting that pressure on ONE individual to get it done is a bit to much. I saw 10 RP Mods and I just new that the days of waiting more than a week for a Bio check (Not including resubmissions because of errors) were over. Figuring that Cali now had a break and could take care of what he needed IRL and not have to worry about his VOLUNTEERED responsibility on NB. I understand that all of the Mod's positions are all volunteered, but for there to still be the same amount of output with 10 RP Mods as there are with 5 when so much more is input into the system doesnt equate with me.

Then their is the Custom Clan Submissions and Custom Clan Jutsu Submissions thread which seem to have been left completely forgotten for months on end. It got to the point where I even stopped looking to see if other peoples submissions have been checked to see what I'll be up against in the future. Nekura's are scary, and other than Mathias' Jinbei bio, The Fishman Clan (dont remember official name of clan) is pretty much non-existent. There are other sections of the RP that are left for weeks to a month but they eventually get checked.

I dont want to touch on the CJ thread......though I have noticed that Xylon and Passion check it more regularly than it has been lately. Closing the threads and fully catching up before opening the thread again. I expect that to take awhile, and I dont really have any complaints with that....accept like Nagato said, 3 a submission vs 5 a submission was a serious blow. Now that there are 10 RP Mods, I would think that we could within reason at least meet each other half way and go up to 4. But even if that doesnt happen, I'm pretty confident that it will increase in flow or remain as it is.

Sigh.....Senseis and their relationship with students. Also a volunteered role on NB, I acknowledge the fact that their POSITION should be respected. However, I believe that some sensei may believe that their word is absolute law. If I can get 2 sensei to agree on something and one to disagree, then it proves that there isnt a real standard as to how things are supposed to be until it occurs often enough for it to be a standard. This is impossible to avoid as there are Customs being made that some view differently as others. Cannon-wise however, there shouldnt be this issue, and yet it still occurs. I wont touch much more on the rulings of Sensei as I do not fully know how they reach all of their decisions, however I have been working to become one and I will find out soon (battle test pending) so I will be able to provide more feedback. But until then, I feel that if a person has an issue with a Sensei's opinion, simply go to an RP mod or gather 2 other sensei to refute them. If two Sensei or 1 RP Mod posts something, you should respect that decision and not wine about it. I myself have been known to do it before but I had someone talk to me the same way I am. I had to see things from their point of view instead of just my own. It wasnt until it happened to me that I understood 100%. Now not only do I accept the fact they they can be wrong, but I can as well. It was a bullet to swallow but it needed to be done. Hopefully others will come to understand and accept this as well. Until then, I fear there will always be tension. But in no way shape or form should one sensei be a "absolute" ruling to a situation. I dont like the favoritism aspect at all. I see it, dont like it, but there is nothing I can do about it...in short :shrug: But I'm glad someone pointed it out. I'm sure it has been before. In fact I've seen people banned for it.

I think REDOING the RP is a bit of a overkill. lol. Though I do like some of ZK's ideas. But to restart the RP with them is too much to ask for. I'd blow my mind and I didnt even orchestrate this RP lol. Incorporate some ideas with the existing? Dont mind.

My conclusion. I think its a little immature right now to TRULY state the position having 10 RP mods will bring to the RP as I believe they are still probably behind the scenes learning what they are gonna do. dividing things evenly. However I do appreciate your post and agree with the vast majority if not all of it.

All I can say is to sit back and watch the way things go from here on out. Hopefully it changes for the better with the next couple of months when we can physically see (or not see) what happens to the RP.

 

[Yugure]

I totally agree with the fact that (almost) everyone who does RP seems like they want to be known and be super OP, creating CE's and getting all the stuff like EIG, SM etc. In my opinion it would be way more fun to have battle's without those things once in a while. Since most if the sensei's and RP Mods have the OP shit, people won't ask them to fight, because they know they will lose, or better said, destroyed...

I'm curious to see if things will change, especially the arguments>.<

 

[Erzo]

I like the RP. o.o

 

[Houdinii]

Wow that was an incredible post Nagato, things like this are the reason that I respect sensei's so much. Even if you guys say I shouldn't raise them too high lol

But anyway I wholeheartedly support the idea of an RP reset but not totally, I think that everyone should be sent back to just the base 5 +nin, tai and gen if they've already trained in that. Then I think we should only be allowed to use 3 of the base 5 elements on a normal bio. Why you ask? Cause one its unrealistic and it also takes the 'specialness' out of bios such as kakuzu and the third hokage who could use all 5(when was the last time you seen a kakuzu bio?). But not only that I think it would make it more fun, and breed new Rpers to be smarter with their jutsu as they'll have to figure out how to counter their weaknesses instead of just going herp derp elemental advantage and over powering whatever jutsu it is. I could say more on the other topics nagato raised but I don't want to be here all day typing.

 

[BlacKing]

Wow that was an incredible post Nagato, things like this are the reason that I respect sensei's so much. Even if you guys say I shouldn't raise them too high lol

But anyway I wholeheartedly support the idea of an RP reset but not totally, I think that everyone should be sent back to just the base 5 +nin, tai and gen if they've already trained in that. Then I think we should only be allowed to use 3 of the base 5 elements on a normal bio. Why you ask? Cause one its unrealistic and it also takes the 'specialness' out of bios such as kakuzu and the third hokage who could use all 5(when was the last time you seen a kakuzu bio?). But not only that I think it would make it more fun, and breed new Rpers to be smarter with their jutsu as they'll have to figure out how to counter their weaknesses instead of just going herp derp elemental advantage and over powering whatever jutsu it is. I could say more on the other topics nagato raised but I don't want to be here all day typing.

Thats not a bad idea....though it would leave me to cancel my Han test and keep Mei. lol. I'd be pretty hard to beat against people who dont have wind and or lightning.

The problem is does that really matter when you have people with CE's. Are you really willing to only be restricted to the CE's that you can use on that bio. If you had a CE with Water and Wind but you only have Water, lightning and Fire, you wouldnt be able to use that CE in that bio. It would suck...But still not an overall bad idea.

 

[Houdinii]

Thats not a bad idea....though it would leave me to cancel my Han test and keep Mei. lol. I'd be pretty hard to beat against people who dont have wind and or lightning.

The problem is does that really matter when you have people with CE's. Are you really willing to only be restricted to the CE's that you can use on that bio. If you had a CE with Water and Wind but you only have Water, lightning and Fire, you wouldnt be able to use that CE in that bio. It would suck...But still not an overall bad idea.

Thanks ^^, Ive been thinking of this for a while, I think Zero Kelvin has suggested something simliar before.

Back on topic, thats the whole point, yea it would suck but if you want to use a CE you'll have to sacrifice the elements that aren't included in it. Also you learn for overcoming adversity, so if you don't have wind or lightning and your versing a Mei you work around it. You find a way to win and have fun doing it. Isn't that the whole message of naruto? Overcoming the odds to achieve your goals.

 

[Selendrile]

Thanks ^^, Ive been thinking of this for a while, I think Zero Kelvin has suggested something simliar before.

Back on topic, thats the whole point, yea it would suck but if you want to use a CE you'll have to sacrifice the elements that aren't included in it. Also you learn for overcoming adversity, so if you don't have wind or lightning and your versing a Mei you work around it. You find a way to win and have fun doing it. Isn't that the whole message of naruto? Overcoming the odds to achieve your goals.

A cute way to think about it, but the RP, and shown very obviously, is not anything like Naruto.