Super theory. inc- EMS, Shisui, Tobi stuff and more ?

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so the body was found

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

He was a shell of his former self? He just said that because he wanted people to think he is Madara and he wasnt as powerful so that was his excuse. Any how he didnt have to beat Itachi to get the MS he could of just took it when Itachi was dead but instead he gave it to Sasuke because he doesnt need it. Just that fact proves this entire theory wrong. However I dont think its bull shiit and I think the maker did a good job over all. I am just really good at finding flaws and debating. He still put a good effort and the truth could be somewhat similar to this.

thats cool..hope to see you on more threads if they are strong like this..over and out

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

wow....first thread in a while that made it high on hottest threads that i didnt see any trolls on....what a great find!!

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

Damn man you put alot of work in this thread +rep.....
a question.....

Looking at that epic ass family tree.....some of the uchiha look very similar...but idk somehow it just doesnt convince me.....are u saying obito and shisui are brothers or did i misread??.....and it could be damn possible because that thread was alot....i read it all man

 

[SilverSlick]

wow....first thread in a while that made it high on hottest threads that i didnt see any trolls on....what a great find!!

Lol, indeed. Best thread I've seen in a while. Lets hope there'll be no trolls to show up though.

 

[natakube]

i like it, i don't know if it'll be right or even close, but i like it = Nice work

 

[Shinobi A]

I didn't bother going through the current pages to see what people were saying about this, so im going to post this anyway.

There are a lot of flaws in this theory, i don't think any of it is really believable besides the relation of Izunga, Kagami, Obito, and Shisui.

It's already been proven that Tobi(the masked man) is not Madara Uchiha since Madara has been revived via Edo Tensei. One of the reasons why his sharingan hasn't caused him to go blind is simple.. Not once has he used Susano, amaterasu, or tsukuyomi. All of those techniques cause gradual blindness. He honestly hasn't used any Mangekyo Sharingan techniques yet.

And as for your theory with Shisui's death being suspicious? Danzou is a smart dude who has/had plenty of knowledge about the sharingan and uchiha fighting styles. If he was able to over power Shisui enough to steal one of his eyes, I seriously doubt he would go back to fight again while completely blind. Entrusting his last eye with Itachi and committing suicide would really be the only course of action he had. And Itachi did write the suicide letter for him because you know... he was blind. Have you ever tried writing something with your eyes closed? it's hard.

Those are the only flaws I can really explain at this point.

 

[Trollasaur]

I dont agree with Izuna being Kagamis dad but it's a good theorey.

 

[SO7P]

good theory and +rep this is my 1st time to ever seen all theories added into one and quite less flaw. but honestly that just sounds more like a fanfiction to me because if it were true,kishi would have to make more than 10 or 20 chapters only to explain the whole thing about tobi.

and if im not mistaken shisui's body was found and also..i dont think bad guy would want to make a child unless he loves his children. and who actually would want to be his wife xd but well anything is possible in naruto. u have gained my respect.

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

I didn't bother going through the current pages to see what people were saying about this, so im going to post this anyway.

There are a lot of flaws in this theory, i don't think any of it is really believable besides the relation of Izunga, Kagami, Obito, and Shisui.

It's already been proven that Tobi(the masked man) is not Madara Uchiha since Madara has been revived via Edo Tensei. One of the reasons why his sharingan hasn't caused him to go blind is simple.. Not once has he used Susano, amaterasu, or tsukuyomi. All of those techniques cause gradual blindness. He honestly hasn't used any Mangekyo Sharingan techniques yet.

And as for your theory with Shisui's death being suspicious? Danzou is a smart dude who has/had plenty of knowledge about the sharingan and uchiha fighting styles. If he was able to over power Shisui enough to steal one of his eyes, I seriously doubt he would go back to fight again while completely blind. Entrusting his last eye with Itachi and committing suicide would really be the only course of action he had. And Itachi did write the suicide letter for him because you know... he was blind. Have you ever tried writing something with your eyes closed? it's hard.

Those are the only flaws I can really explain at this point.

where is lssjbroly? this was a guest that looks like he made his/her account and posted on THIS thread first....welcome btw....plus...just cuz cuz he didnt use it dont mean he dont got it...way way back when we seen danzo who would thought he had a sharingan? im not knocking you but i choose to take everything into consideration

 

[Minator93]

I usually don't read any Tobi theory because it always revolve around Obito,Kagami,Izuna,Zetsu. But this Super theory does have them all but in a different manner.

After reading all of it and skimming through this thread here are my two cents :

Now I like the Idea about the Obito being Tobi's son. It explains his name, his hatred towards ninja world and especially Kakashi.

I also think that Tobi had Zetsu afterwards. The manga strongly suggests that the Trio Orochimaru,Tobi and Danzou were all scientists and were after Hashi's cells. And I think Tobi's the one who succeeded.

So where in your theory you say that Tobi had zetsu to watch over Obito and Shisui, what I believe that he received the news that his son Obitio died at that bridge and that's when he went evil.

He wanted to have revenge on them all starting from team Minato. He went to that battle field saw his son's body and the pain caused him to awaken his own MS and after he switched it with Obito's eye then he got the EMS [in right eye]. And that's why he's not going blind and that's why he controlled the ninetails in the first place. Because according to Itachi you need EMS to control Kyuubi.

And then we know that Rin died suspiciously and the tragedy of the Namikaze Family, how Tobi wanted to Kill Naruto in front of Minato and all. He wanted to exert the same pain on Minato. Remember Tobi said that he waited for it for a long time [from the day his son died]

And as for Shisui. I believe that all the 3 Danzo,Orochimaru and Tobi [Kagami] were after his KA for their own purposes.


Anyway whatever I've written or the way I'm thinking about it is all thanks to you +rep for the Theory and you did a nice presentation.


Also I'd like to mention that I like the whole Setsusna and Fugaku thing whoever brought it up did a nice job.

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

I usually don't read any Tobi theory because it always revolve around Obito,Kagami,Izuna,Zetsu. But this Super theory does have them all but in a different manner.

After reading all of it and skimming through this thread here are my two cents :

Now I like the Idea about the Obito being Tobi's son. It explains his name, his hatred towards ninja world and especially Kakashi.

I also think that Tobi had Zetsu afterwards. The manga strongly suggests that the Trio Orochimaru,Tobi and Danzou were all scientists and were after Hashi's cells. And I think Tobi's the one who succeeded.

So where in your theory you say that Tobi had zetsu to watch over Obito and Shisui, what I believe that he received the news that his son Obitio died at that bridge and that's when he went evil.

He wanted to have revenge on them all starting from team Minato. He went to that battle field saw his son's body and the pain caused him to awaken his own MS and after he switched it with Obito's eye then he got the EMS [in right eye]. And that's why he's not going blind and that's why he controlled the ninetails in the first place. Because according to Itachi you need EMS to control Kyuubi.

And then we know that Rin died suspiciously and the tragedy of the Namikaze Family, how Tobi wanted to Kill Naruto in front of Minato and all. He wanted to exert the same pain on Minato. Remember Tobi said that he waited for it for a long time [from the day his son died]

And as for Shisui. I believe that all the 3 Danzo,Orochimaru and Tobi [Kagami] were after his KA for their own purposes.


Anyway whatever I've written or the way I'm thinking about it is all thanks to you +rep for the Theory and you did a nice presentation.


Also I'd like to mention that I like the whole Setsusna and Fugaku thing whoever brought it up did a nice job.

hey hey...i made something that might assist but i gotta fetch it....wait....


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ok here it goes

1.madara
2.tobi/orchi/danzo
3.kabuto/nagato

danzo
ok. this guy is apart of the plan and this is how i THINK it went down:

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see...tobi said: shisui's eye is mine now" and danzo is cornered. his flashback happens and the first thing he says when the flash back is done is "for the sake of the ninja world,for the sake of the leaf i cant let you live"
that right there to me sounds like he got betrayed or something. because at first when tobi seen hims there was no "!" or"..." bubble over his head or anything

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i also think he was in the master plan due to this,watch raikage's words:

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the next page we see rakage talkin slick about danzo and his fase is down to the ground with his eye closed....then tsuchi's:

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danzo's alibi was

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he was cool with tobi and now he is saying that akatsuki is destroy the world? hella suspect.

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see that what tobi said? im done with danzo for now.
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they messed with them bodies for some major reason. plus orochi said he not gunna participate in the war and he wants sasuke YOUNG body!
but then...why is madara touching himself?

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i think orochi put a curse mark on madara so that he could use his body. then with all the techs and stuff transfer to sasukes YOUNG body(i know its far-fetched but rock with me)
either way orochi was part of the plan and was the main surgeon in the series(messed with madara and danzo and himself) plus he or tobi might have took madara's eyes and place them in nagato(using silverslick's thought)
and some body might have told orochi tobis plan cuz there was a wrench thrown in at some point:tobi seen that danzo and orochi were close. tobi went to go talk to naruto.
and(tobi's words)

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yeah..somebody snitched on tobi...orocho is mentally overpowered now
plus:them elders are the ones i think orochi is gunna take to sasuke...who else could THEY (not he or she but THEY) BE? they were in kushina's confession to naruto and tobi's confession to sasuke..they are gunna die a bad death
madara
prime suspect here. how this guy knew nagato?

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brat? that means nagato was young i think...he was suppose to be back up if no body else gained rinnegan in time...
plus the "wipe out edo tensei user:

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which brings me to
tobi
i think they wanted(madara/tobi) to revive the clan and then wipe the map clean of everybody else. i say this cuz tobi said nagato betrayed him and he was suppose to use the revival tech for him. ppl may say he was just gunna revive madara but think: why revive one person if your filled up with so much hate if you can revive everybody that was in the clan and rule the leaf with the entire clan. i think tobi killed nagatos parents(thru the two leaf troops) and gave nagato madara's eyes since we seen that rinnegan was activated when his parents died and after that he met konan and you know the rest so i think he got them eyes way before they died, got back to his parents, then tobi killed them so he could fall into what ever plans tobi made.

the plan was to revive madara in full form, wipe out the map, use the juubi's tech if nothing else works then revive the clan. because even madara seen that there was a problem

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then the plan altered according to that page.(yall could find out what that is im tired from doing this)
and finally
nagato AND kabuto

boy or boy...they got fvcked the most..follow me

nagato was suppose to awaken the rinnegan and revive either the clan or madara in full form for tobi so they could do the plan WITH tobi.
the "red moon"(aka the akatsuki's name translation) got most of the tails and they onyl need a few more to do this. yet there was a risk involved so tobi tried to talk it over but failed(btw..i think this where garra should have been a god...his analytical powers are...i digress :

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then so he couldnt come back again, when he was revived and with itachi, itachi sealed him!! thats no more nagato..he might have known the plan but now nobody cant get him back
kabuto:kishi fave troll move
this guy was orochi's double and spy he got his hands on anything and everything. after all he's been through, madara still breaks from him and itachi loops him forever then orochi takes his powers away then everybody leaves that scene with kabuto and anko by them selfs..
nagato cant come back from the sealed place and kabuto isnt gunna stop dreaming anytime soon plus nobody knows where kabuto is
kabuto is out=nagato is out

 

[XMrLiNdOrX]

YOOOO! your theories just blew my mind, everything you said fits perfectly. The chances of all this being correct is great imo +rep bro..... +rep

 

[Legendary Broly]

Okay I quoted most of the comments xd
And I rep+ most of the good ones as well that praised me ofc

xD im glad this thread is getting so much attention, its really awesome Lol

We really need more threads like this to outnumber all the crappy ones

@bold I agree 100% :scorps: xd

Love your theory mate

One thing though, isn't it a bit too farfetch'd to say that the only Uchiha we know from that Generation are connected to this Naruto Generation? Like, I mean it's an awesome theory, but in between that line it could be anyone.

Hey bro you have a great point xd
I just thought since these were the only characters ever shown there may be a connection between them :shrug:
Perhaps they are relevant somehow ? I mean its a logical choice to link known characters together :shrug:
Thanks man rep+

Itachi killed Shisui. He even said so himself. For two reason. Shisui wanted itachi to protect his only remain eye. (danzo took the other one). Second it allow Itachi to unlock MS, as Shisui was itachi best friend and vice versa. Shisui according to itachi didn't want the clan to go to war with the village as much as itachi didn't either.

Need to drop the Overpowered crap though. Tired of people just throwing that around. Only a select few can really be called OP. Namely Madara, the First, Pain with no knowledge and the third Raikage. (My opinion) Thats it
As Shisui really has no feats to his name and the only thing he was known for was having extrememly excellent Genjutus. Nothing else.

His age I going to have to throw out as well. Durning fourth time from what you can glimpse he was a younger man possibly from kakashi generation. Not someone durning the birth of the village. Their is still the forgotten bit previous chapter that tobi mention that Gai and Kakashi seem to have forgotten his face.

thats all for now

@bold:
You don't necessarily have to kill your best friend for MS there is another way like exposing yourself to some emotional turmoil or something along those lines ? I know there is two ways to get MS like how Kakashi got MS
@red: this statement can be interpreted two ways U_U It can be interpreted as you interpreted it or that Tobi believes that there is no point revealing his face to Gai as he would just forget it anyway - are you saying he is Obito ?
LOL

@ LssJBroly

The other users theory about the Sage's second son being alive made a lot of sense. The only thing that I tried to argue with him was the fact that he would not be able to live this long. He justified this point as the sage of the six paths had exceptional overall physical abilities as he could hold inside of him all the nine tailed beasts safely. That indeed does give some credit to the Sage as for many people it has been difficult to hold only one tailed beast.

Also I don't think that you understood well my question about the sharingan. The whole idea is that for kakashi to access the other dimension he needs to use his MS, while Tobi doesn't use it as his eye does not undergo through any physical changes while he decides to materialize or access the other dimension. Tobi does not use MS as he uses his dimension jutsu.

In addition, also referring to the same physical fact that the normal sharingan undergoes when it changes to MS, we hav enot seen tobi's sharingan undergo through any change while he was controlling the nine tails in the minato arc. In addittion, Danzo controlled his enemies with just a normal sharingan. Considering these, and the fact that if Tobi used the MS we would have already seen it makes me believe that he actually doesn't use MS.


EDIT: also the whole thing about Tobi brainwashing kisame seems a little bit too much. There's no point of Tobi doing it since he was already dedicated to his cause. Plus, if that were the case, the discussion that happens between them would have not been shown to the audience. You don't have to discuss someone or convince them about anything in order to brain wash them.

I wonder if Tobi and Madara will have the same voice?

LOL at voice thing : random thought much xd
And well you actually gave me an idea bro
It does suggest he has MS as he uses the same dimension as Kakashi's MS U_U
Also bro when you say we haven't seen his eye change - we haven't - but this does not mean it hasn't
Also this could of been because if it did change we'd see the MS design which looks like Kakashi's which would ruin Kishi trying to hide aspects of Tobi's identity

BTW at EDIT: LOL that is mainly the others discussion xd

I see some problems with that family tree though. And I am now going to kill the most important part of your theory, although I liked it a lot.

Kagami can't be Izunas child. My prove for this is that I expect Kagami to have been born at the same year as Hiruzen and Danzo. They were probably born a few years after the foundation of Konoha, but definitly not before it was founded.

Also they were born only a few years before Madara and Hashirama had their final fight, because when Tobirama became their teacher, along with Kagami, Madara was said to be dead.

I could still see Kagami as being Tobi, but this makes it much more unlikely. Although I don't think Shisui and Obito were brothers, since Shisui was considered a genius, and Obito was quite "dumb" although I could very well be wrong, but when it comes to Uchiha, so far all brothers (sasuke, itachi - izuna, madara) were all geniuses.

Also you say this: "Kagami who trained with Danzou and Hiruzen"
While this may be partly through, Hiruzen was not in their team. I belive Danzo and Kagami were in the same team, and Donzo was the "best" shinobi in that team, as Hiruzen was the best in his. Btw Hiruzen was in team with the 2 konoha elders, who tries to control Tsunade, etc...

Okay well Shisui and Obito are the right ages to be brothers xd
Also its not that Obito is dumb etc. its the powers from their eyes - which points to strong blood line
As for kagami , the generation above him is Tobirama who would be the same age as Izuna - (hashi's little bro, madara's little bro )
So I still believe that there can be a son - father connection there xd

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ok here it goes

1.madara
2.tobi/orchi/danzo
3.kabuto/nagato

danzo
ok. this guy is apart of the plan and this is how i THINK it went down:

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then

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see...tobi said: shisui's eye is mine now" and danzo is cornered. his flashback happens and the first thing he says when the flash back is done is "for the sake of the ninja world,for the sake of the leaf i cant let you live"
that right there to me sounds like he got betrayed or something. because at first when tobi seen hims there was no "!" or"..." bubble over his head or anything

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i also think he was in the master plan due to this,watch raikage's words:

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...at the next page we see rakage talkin slick about danzo and his fase is down to the ground with his eye closed....then tsuchi's:

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danzo's alibi was

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he was cool with tobi and now he is saying that akatsuki is destroy the world? hella suspect.

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see that what tobi said? im done with danzo for now.
orochi
first:

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they messed with them bodies for some major reason. plus orochi said he not gunna participate in the war and he wants sasuke YOUNG body!
but then...why is madara touching himself?

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i think orochi put a curse mark on madara so that he could use his body. then with all the techs and stuff transfer to sasukes YOUNG body(i know its far-fetched but rock with me)
either way orochi was part of the plan and was the main surgeon in the series(messed with madara and danzo and himself) plus he or tobi might have took madara's eyes and place them in nagato(using silverslick's thought)
and some body might have told orochi tobis plan cuz there was a wrench thrown in at some point:tobi seen that danzo and orochi were close. tobi went to go talk to naruto.
and(tobi's words)

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yeah..somebody snitched on tobi...orocho is mentally overpowered now
plus:them elders are the ones i think orochi is gunna take to sasuke...who else could THEY (not he or she but THEY) BE? they were in kushina's confession to naruto and tobi's confession to sasuke..they are gunna die a bad death
madara
prime suspect here. how this guy knew nagato?

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brat? that means nagato was young i think...he was suppose to be back up if no body else gained rinnegan in time...
plus the "wipe out edo tensei user:

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which brings me to
tobi
i think they wanted(madara/tobi) to revive the clan and then wipe the map clean of everybody else. i say this cuz tobi said nagato betrayed him and he was suppose to use the revival tech for him. ppl may say he was just gunna revive madara but think: why revive one person if your filled up with so much hate if you can revive everybody that was in the clan and rule the leaf with the entire clan. i think tobi killed nagatos parents(thru the two leaf troops) and gave nagato madara's eyes since we seen that rinnegan was activated when his parents died and after that he met konan and you know the rest so i think he got them eyes way before they died, got back to his parents, then tobi killed them so he could fall into what ever plans tobi made.

the plan was to revive madara in full form, wipe out the map, use the juubi's tech if nothing else works then revive the clan. because even madara seen that there was a problem

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then the plan altered according to that page.(yall could find out what that is im tired from doing this)
and finally
nagato AND kabuto

boy or boy...they got fvcked the most..follow me

nagato was suppose to awaken the rinnegan and revive either the clan or madara in full form for tobi so they could do the plan WITH tobi.
the "red moon"(aka the akatsuki's name translation) got most of the tails and they onyl need a few more to do this. yet there was a risk involved so tobi tried to talk it over but failed(btw..i think this where garra should have been a god...his analytical powers are...i digress :

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then so he couldnt come back again, when he was revived and with itachi, itachi sealed him!! thats no more nagato..he might have known the plan but now nobody cant get him back
kabuto:kishi fave troll move
this guy was orochi's double and spy he got his hands on anything and everything. after all he's been through, madara still breaks from him and itachi loops him forever then orochi takes his powers away then everybody leaves that scene with kabuto and anko by them selfs..
nagato cant come back from the sealed place and kabuto isnt gunna stop dreaming anytime soon plus nobody knows where kabuto is
kabuto is out=nagato is out

im done guys..thanks for following I KNOW THERE IS HOLES SO DONT COME AT ME!!
who's mindblown? i wrote it and i kno i am

LOL mind blown :scorps: lost for words xd
LMAO there should be a sticky thread for all your epic theories

Well there are a lot of flwas I see.

1. If Tobi actually had 2 kids to obtain EMS and then failed but then killed Suishi because he couldnt give him his eyes, and now wants Sasuke for his eyes?? If he wants EMS SOOOO bad then he could of took Itachi's eyes but instead why would he surgicaly implant them in Sasuke?? I mean he could of had what he wants which is the EMS.

2. It doesnt state you need EMS for infinite tsukyomi only the 10 tails because Tobi didnt take Itachi's eyes and instead gave them to Sasuke so Sasuke helps him kill Konaha. Tobi doesnt need the EMS he has Rinnegan lol.

3. Why would he kill Rin? I mean that wont do anything for him. As far as getting emotion for MS well its the mind that feels emotion not the eye. So unless Kaguma loved Rin himself idk why killing her would get MS.

4. Tobi has not shown MS. Your just assuming he uses Kamui but actually its his s/t ninjutsu which is similar to kamui because Tobi only has shown Sharingan when using the s/t. It could just be a similar s/t ninjutsu. He would be blind by now if he was using MS to do that s/t.

Anyways these are the main errors.

Well bro this is just a theory thread xd :scorps:

1. Why does he implant Itachi's eyes in Sasuke ?
Well this is because they are not evolved into EMS yet ! :sy;
It would not work if he just pushed Itachi's eyes into his own head as it would not evolve into EMS U_U

2. Again this is a theory man xd
I still think you need EMS for infinite Tsukuyomi and rinnegan like you said to control the Juubi - This is part of the reason why he keeps one sharingan and one rinnegan as he can't transform his rinnegan to sharingan as it is not originally his and he never evolved it again bringing me back to why he would want EMS - to evolve it further to rinnegan and have the ability to switch between rinnegan and sharingan techniques xd

3. As for Rin , this would explain where she went U_U
It is just a theory that I threw in there to explain her disappearance
However we don't know whether its just the eye that needs to see the emotional turmoil or the mind its a fictional eye for faqs sake it can do anything - again just a theory so calm down :scorps:

4. Just assuming ? it is a theory xd
AND your're just assuming that he doesn't have it and also that is just a S/T ninjutsu xd
Also sine the S/T ninjutsu is based from the eye and not the body I can assume it is a similar tech to Kakashi's Kamui

There is not 1 episode of shisu or wat he stood for and he has the eye tech of mind control which Tobi does not...it's not shigami bcuz there is not one full episode of him nor does it say wat he stood for or wat believed in...there is episodes of obito and showed wat he stood for and wat he believed in which was never leave ur FRIEND behind and for peace in the ninja world and he gave kakashi his sharigan which he told kakashi that he would be his eye and see wat kakashi sees as he gets older...it was madara controlling the mizuage not obito shigami or shisu..shisu wanted peace so y would he massacre the hidden mist which was known as the blood mist when madara took over...now when Tobi showed his face to kisame it was obito...obito could've easily put kisame under a genjustu and y would kisame take orders from a weak uchiha but he would take orders from a legend a founder of kohona and feared by other nations which was Madara...And have u noticed not 1 akatski member is alive during the war or seen madara face while he fighting the kages...stop thinking inside the box....

So you are saying he is Obito ?
@bold: Inside the box :rofl: I think you under rated me a bit :T_T:

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Shisui
I thought shisui was killed by itachi (thus the getting ms by killing his best freind)

While it is possible to have two sons and train them till they get MS why not just train them your self like danzo did the fountain or Root or w/e that program is called? wouldnt that be easier and less risky?

I do agree that tobi is part zetsu but i dont think that jutsu is a sharingan technique and tobi does not have MS or at least he as not been stated to have it.

Also i do think is is POSSIBLE for tobi to be izuna but if he was izuna why was he so easily defeated by minato (i am a minato fanboy lol) but even by minato standards it didnt really take much for him to beat him infact if the fight was acouple moves longer he would have died.

If tobi looks like madara how can that be? When one implants zetzu into the body does the whole body turn change when chakra is absorbed or is only the limb or skin cells with zetzu in them change? Zetzu can camo his self into trees and stuff but is it s/t? I dont think so but it is POSSIBLE.

Since tobi is a very talented ninja why not just kill one of the others that had MS (assuming he had MS) instead of using the risky sons technique you spoke of?

Now assuming that all sharingan have different techniques
obito has s/t attack jutsu
tobi has s/t teleportation
shisui had the genjutsu and so on
what is sasukes and itachi's? or is this just rare incidences?


Maybe tobi isnt uchiha at all. he hasnt used any ms techniques and is known to have indept knowledge of the uchiha maybe he is one of there opponents like the senju was? Maybe he is izuna becuase i dont think anyone else would have such knowledge. Sarutobi was alive during the time of the second hokage and i think the first had died before sarutobi was alive. Sarutobi would be like 70ish during this part of the series. Who ever it is must have been around from the beginning so if it isnt izuna it must be someone just as old.

But your theory has much more detail and i just asked alot of questions. Good Job:ice:

Well nice theory man xd
And yeah Izuna is second on my list
How would he live so long though ?
You have some good points though and about training them - He didn't have time in between giving Nagato the rinnegan and forming Akatsuki and controlling Yagura etc ..

You have some good theories and as for MS techniques I believe the S/T one he is using is from his MS - I mean as he absorbs shiet it goes into his eye :shrug:

Anyway he has been shown to use a fire technique the fire one in a recent manga chapter

Well Sasuke and Itachi have Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu - possible decendents from Madara and Izuna's decedents follow the random controlling ones ? xd

+ rep but why did he give nagato the rinnengan??? I thinks its because they needed an eternal magenkyou sharingan as well as a regular sharingan. I think tobi was planning on pain reviving madara for his EMS and THEY would do it, but Nagato used the revival technique for naruto, which was why he was like the, "The technique was meant for ME." Which is why he kept sasuke as a backup plan. But I'll make a thread about it.

I agree bro :scorps: Nice theory you put words to my mouth - I have trouble explaining stuff like that I share a similar theory rep+

Was awesome, plus rep.

But if Izuna is Kagami's dad does that mean madara is itachi's great-grandfather???????

LOL thanks and where did you get that idea ? :shrug: xd

 

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kagami is not their father if anything their grandfather he is sarutobi's age under that is kakashi - sannin age group meaning atleast 1 generation is in between kagami and obito

 

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also shisui death is no mystery itachi did it as a favor similar to yahiko and negato
danzo has his arm and eye(shisui)

weak theory in my opinion

 

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This thread is pretty much all my random theories mashed into one thread
(CBF making multiple ones xd)
I am going to answer some common questions with my own theories , and probably end up asking some more questions :ghehe:

On a side note - People please understand that this is just theories - I am not saying they are true or wrong it is just a few theories so guy's don't get too up tight about if you don't agree
:scorps:
Btw I am pretty confident with my theories tbh So if anyone can find a hole in them well I'll rep+ you and you have the satisfaction of owning LssJBroly

Warning's before hand :

Spoiler

-Includes some Tobi ID suggestions , it is the centre of all theories really, all theories are pretty much revolve round who he is U_U just give the thread a chance and you'll see what I mean :scorps:

What I am covering in the thread
The centre of the thread is an epic Uchiha Family Tree I have devised
It is this family tree that will help me answer the following :
-Why Tobi does not have EMS
-How Tobi got MS
-Shisui's suspicious death and where his body is
-One of Zetsu's puposes
- Why Tobi wants Sasuke
-Why Tobi's MS does not go blind

Also I will throw in some other theories like:
-How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
-How infinite Tsukuyomi works

There may be more as it comes to me :ghehe: anyway lets go xd

The Ultimate Uchiha Family Tree :

Izuna Uchiha

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is the dad of Kagami Uchiha

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who is the dad of Obito and Shisui Uchiha

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If you think about it this is a pretty bad ass family tree U_U
Izuna with his MS
Kagami who trained with Danzou and Hiruzen
Obito with his OP sharingan - Kamui & S/T
Shisui and KA
-They are resemble each other a bit imo
been discussing in the thread and this came up :
*Tobi and his powerful genjutsu that controlled Yagura resembles Shisui's KA as well as the genjutsu he used on Konan - points to being relatives ?

Anyway:
If Izuna is Kagami's dad - Kagami is Tobi - this explains a lot of things
Number 1 is why Tobi does not have EMS
Its obvious Tobi does not have EMS U_U
-Why would Tobi go and use other peoples rinnegan and not form his own ?

Why doesn't he ?
Well, regardless of who Tobi is - his age suggests he was born back in founding of Konoha era
In this time you'd expect Tobi to have a sibling especially because this was a time when the Uchiha clan were worshipping those with MS, EMS etc.
Why wouldn't you want this for your child - especially being a competitive Uchiha U_U

My theory:
Being Izuna's son , his dad died young which left him an only child and I am going to say an orphan (mum dies at child birth )
-Being an orphan also explains his path towards evil - see Kabuto and Sasori for example U_U
It also explains his connection to Madara : Read if you wish xd

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-Madara would be able to trust Kagami because of the family bond they have and would tell him all his plans , give the rinnegan e.g . ONLY FAMILY BOND ALSO
-He would initially follow Madara because of his dad's faith in him and sacrifice to him and also because he would want to follow the will of his dad and help Madara out
-Kagami would also be easily be swayed into following Madara's beliefs after being brought up in a war torn world and seeing that the Senju had not fixed anything - killed dada etc ..

Being an only child leaves tobi with no way to get EMS :T_T:
Unless ..
This brings me to Obito and Shisui
We know that Tobi is patient
So he has two kids in order for them to get EMS from one another xd
This is where Zetsu comes in xd
One of his initial purposes is to watch over them until they get EMS alerting Tobi who will retrieve the eyes
But ofcourse this happens U_U

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Ruining the plan

Zetsu alerts Tobi who tells Zetsu to retrieve the body then he takes his eye

Tobi getting MS :
Tobi tests out the eye's abilities which explains what happened to Rin

To unlock MS Tobi kills Rin
If you think about it Rin's disappearance is suspicious
Only an elite ninja should of been able to kill her or kidnap her as Minato and Kakashi were both keeping an especially close eye on her after Obito's death

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This points to Tobi who has entered the village undetected before or Zetsu who is named the Akatsuki spy for a reason

Shisui's suspicious death

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Is it just me or does the whole concept of Shisui just killing himself sound stupid ?
I say Tobi at once last attempt to get EMS approached Shisui
I believe he planned on using him much like he is using Sasuke - lead him on a bit - let him be a part of Akatsuki etc.
Then he planned on taking Shisui's MS to make EMS with Obito's eye
However again a failed plan U_U

Shisui catches on his eye is taken by Danzou - This is suspicious as how did Danzou manage to take his eye - Shisui is supposed to be OP U_U
I think Shisui forfeited it as he knew that it would be safe from Tobi with Danzou for a short while
He then gives his other eye to Itachi
He then confronts Tobi blind who kills him or takes him prisoner in his dimension explaining why no one could find Shisui's body

This brings me to Why Tobi wants Sasuke :
[/B] The plan failed twice for Tobi to get EMS so Tobi obviously wants Sasuke for his EMS
He plans on stealing it casting the infinite Tsukuyomi which I believe you need EMS for - eternal - infinite- etc..
That is how I think infinite Tsukuyomi works

Oh yeah and one last thing :
How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
Well being part zetsu :

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which me and a friend decided was because he is old to keep his body in knack - has its advantages other then this U_U

We know that Zetsu can take on the appearance of any one whose chakra he touches
Tobi can get hold of Madara's chakra easily imo
If the rinnegan is supposedly Madara's there is chakra there for example
Using the a similar technique to Zetsu's he manages to pull of being Madara through appearance and chakra etc .. :shrug:

Okay lol I see that theory is a weaker one
EDIT: view some nice as theories in the comments about zetsu they seem more legit then this - they mention Kisame being controlled unknowingly by Tobi check them out for more details

An Extra thing I thought of xd
Why Tobi's MS has not gone blind :
This because Tobi claims to have senju DNA - we already know how senju DNA enhances the sharingan as seen with Shisui's KA - what if the Senju DNA also enhances the length of time the sharingan's sight can last for ? I mean it supposedly enhances the length of ones life - why not the eye sight in this unique dojutsu ? :scorps:
And yeah ofc like a member reminded me he hasn't exactly spammed any big ass moves like Amaterasu, Susanoo or Tsukuyomi :shrug:

Anyway that is the end of my thread xd

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Is this you ^^^ U_U
Well here is a summary :
- Izuna is Kagami's dad who is Obito and Shisui's dad
-For Infinite Tsukuyomi you need EMS
-Tobi has Shisui's body or killed Shisui , he also killed Rin xd
-Tobi wants Sasuke for his EMS
-Tobi deceived Kisame using a similar technique as Zetsu does - copying appearance and chakra since he is part Zetsu
-Tobi's MS does not go blind as fast as it is enhanced by senju DNA
Any flaws ? point them out
Rep+ for all good comments and -rep for people who start saying 'didn't read' etc oh yeah and a slap

Thanks for reading if you did xd

EDIT: THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE REP I WOULD THANK YOU INDIVIDUALLY BUT I CAN'T RETRACE YOU GUYS ! xd I REPPED BACK THE ONES WHO COMMENTED BECAUSE I COULD FIND THEM THANKS I REALLY APPRECIATED IT xd

great thread, the best one this year ithink

 

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WATCH ME NOW


ok here it goes

1.madara
2.tobi/orchi/danzo
3.kabuto/nagato

danzo
ok. this guy is apart of the plan and this is how i THINK it went down:

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see...tobi said: shisui's eye is mine now" and danzo is cornered. his flashback happens and the first thing he says when the flash back is done is "for the sake of the ninja world,for the sake of the leaf i cant let you live"
that right there to me sounds like he got betrayed or something. because at first when tobi seen hims there was no "!" or"..." bubble over his head or anything

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i also think he was in the master plan due to this,watch raikage's words:

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...at the next page we see rakage talkin slick about danzo and his fase is down to the ground with his eye closed....then tsuchi's:

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danzo's alibi was

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he was cool with tobi and now he is saying that akatsuki is destroy the world? hella suspect.

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see that what tobi said? im done with danzo for now.
orochi
first:

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they messed with them bodies for some major reason. plus orochi said he not gunna participate in the war and he wants sasuke YOUNG body!
but then...why is madara touching himself?

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i think orochi put a curse mark on madara so that he could use his body. then with all the techs and stuff transfer to sasukes YOUNG body(i know its far-fetched but rock with me)
either way orochi was part of the plan and was the main surgeon in the series(messed with madara and danzo and himself) plus he or tobi might have took madara's eyes and place them in nagato(using silverslick's thought)
and some body might have told orochi tobis plan cuz there was a wrench thrown in at some point:tobi seen that danzo and orochi were close. tobi went to go talk to naruto.
and(tobi's words)

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yeah..somebody snitched on tobi...orocho is mentally overpowered now
plus:them elders are the ones i think orochi is gunna take to sasuke...who else could THEY (not he or she but THEY) BE? they were in kushina's confession to naruto and tobi's confession to sasuke..they are gunna die a bad death
madara
prime suspect here. how this guy knew nagato?

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brat? that means nagato was young i think...he was suppose to be back up if no body else gained rinnegan in time...
plus the "wipe out edo tensei user:

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which brings me to
tobi
i think they wanted(madara/tobi) to revive the clan and then wipe the map clean of everybody else. i say this cuz tobi said nagato betrayed him and he was suppose to use the revival tech for him. ppl may say he was just gunna revive madara but think: why revive one person if your filled up with so much hate if you can revive everybody that was in the clan and rule the leaf with the entire clan. i think tobi killed nagatos parents(thru the two leaf troops) and gave nagato madara's eyes since we seen that rinnegan was activated when his parents died and after that he met konan and you know the rest so i think he got them eyes way before they died, got back to his parents, then tobi killed them so he could fall into what ever plans tobi made.

the plan was to revive madara in full form, wipe out the map, use the juubi's tech if nothing else works then revive the clan. because even madara seen that there was a problem

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then the plan altered according to that page.(yall could find out what that is im tired from doing this)
and finally
nagato AND kabuto

boy or boy...they got fvcked the most..follow me

nagato was suppose to awaken the rinnegan and revive either the clan or madara in full form for tobi so they could do the plan WITH tobi.
the "red moon"(aka the akatsuki's name translation) got most of the tails and they onyl need a few more to do this. yet there was a risk involved so tobi tried to talk it over but failed(btw..i think this where garra should have been a god...his analytical powers are...i digress :

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then so he couldnt come back again, when he was revived and with itachi, itachi sealed him!! thats no more nagato..he might have known the plan but now nobody cant get him back
kabuto:kishi fave troll move
this guy was orochi's double and spy he got his hands on anything and everything. after all he's been through, madara still breaks from him and itachi loops him forever then orochi takes his powers away then everybody leaves that scene with kabuto and anko by them selfs..
nagato cant come back from the sealed place and kabuto isnt gunna stop dreaming anytime soon plus nobody knows where kabuto is
kabuto is out=nagato is out

im done guys..thanks for following I KNOW THERE IS HOLES SO DONT COME AT ME!!
who's mindblown? i wrote it and i kno i am

GOOD WORK! Ask Broly to shorten it and add it to OP!

people need to understand at this current time tobi is somebody who has a grudge over konoha: impossible to be obito enough said

Nothing is impossible atm... Although I support this theory, I will be ok even if Kishi tells us Tobi is Obito... :shrugs: It's his manga, he can do whatever he wants.

1. Thats not a good explanation at all. The thread maker stated that Tobi wanted EMS SOOOO bad that it was his only goal in life because with it he can only do his plan. He went far enough to kill shisui and even Rin and he had 2 kids just to get it. So why not just take Itachi's??

I will tell you why. Because(1.) he doesnt need EMS OBVIOUSLY and he has the Rinnegan and he is doing his plan RIGHT NOW without EMS and he didnt need it or he would take Itachi's by now.

2.Maybe a thought but its clearly not a fact and cant be one.

3. I said that(2.) Rin is no use to Tobi because there is no way Rin can be used to activate MS. You replied "Tobi didnt need her but maybe for the eye me might wanted to take her"??? WTTF does that mean??! I guess you mean he took her for his own enjoyment but why Rin??

4. I am glad you agree with me here. But the thread maker stated (3.)he uses MS to do it which is wrong or he would of been blind hes been spamming it on kunais, shurikens, etc since he fought Minato.

I never said the thread is bad but my 4 points prove the theory wrong or at least very weak and your responses didnt help it much.
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@bold
1. I haven't seen Rinnegan doing high level genjutsu...
2. Tobi was not awakening his own MS, he was trying to awaken Obito's MS. I know the idea is child-like but Obito loved Rin so you need to kill someone Obito loved to awaken his MS xd
3. Agree completely. He need not have MS

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Shisui
I thought shisui was killed by itachi (thus the getting ms by killing his best freind)

While it is possible to have two sons and train them till they get MS why not just train them your self like danzo did the fountain or Root or w/e that program is called? wouldnt that be easier and less risky?

I do agree that tobi is part zetsu but i dont think that jutsu is a sharingan technique and tobi does not have MS or at least he as not been stated to have it.

Also i do think is is POSSIBLE for tobi to be izuna but if he was izuna why was he so easily defeated by minato (i am a minato fanboy lol) but even by minato standards it didnt really take much for him to beat him infact if the fight was acouple moves longer he would have died.

If tobi looks like madara how can that be? When one implants zetzu into the body does the whole body turn change when chakra is absorbed or is only the limb or skin cells with zetzu in them change? Zetzu can camo his self into trees and stuff but is it s/t? I dont think so but it is POSSIBLE.

Since tobi is a very talented ninja why not 1.just kill one of the others that had MS (assuming he had MS) instead of using the risky sons technique you spoke of?

Now assuming that all sharingan have different techniques
obito has s/t attack jutsu
tobi has s/t teleportation
shisui had the genjutsu and so on
what is sasukes and itachi's? or is this just rare incidences?


2.Maybe tobi isnt uchiha at all. he hasnt used any ms techniques and is known to have indept knowledge of the uchiha maybe he is one of there opponents like the senju was? Maybe he is izuna becuase i dont think anyone else would have such knowledge. Sarutobi was alive during the time of the second hokage and i think the first had died before sarutobi was alive. Sarutobi would be like 70ish during this part of the series. Who ever it is must have been around from the beginning so3. if it isnt izuna it must be someone just as old.

But your theory has much more detail and i just asked alot of questions. Good Job:ice:

1. If he wants EMS he needs to get it from someone who has awakened it because he realized he's not able to upgrade other people's eyes. +EMS = your MS + your Brother's MS. It has to be the eyes of two brothers.

2. Yes, highly probable.

3. You realize that this person would be at least 100 years old...?

+ rep but why did he give nagato the rinnengan??? I thinks its because they needed an eternal magenkyou sharingan as well as a regular sharingan. I think tobi was planning on pain reviving madara for his EMS and THEY would do it, but Nagato used the revival technique for naruto, which was why he was like the, "The technique was meant for ME." Which is why he kept sasuke as a backup plan. But I'll make a thread about it.

agree fully

Was awesome, plus rep.

But if Izuna is Kagami's dad does that mean madara is itachi's great-grandfather???????

O.O I'd love if that happens!

i enjoyed this thread because you thought of things that other people havent, i could imagine kishi reading this and being like 'ahh shit' and postponing manga for a month while he reworks his story to something else.

Im not sure if its 100% correct or anything like that, but i really like the family tree idea - as youhave pointed out a resemblence that i didnt notice so good work there.

Im not sure about the shisui bit - i think people just hyped him up so much that we were like 'dafaq...danzo took his eye?' - he wasnt OP - he was just saving his KA for a better time IMO - Shisui wouldnt have been in on it IMO.

The idea of Tobi = Kagami is good because he's an uchiha who was mentioned at the time that was required but who hasnt been characterised or expaneded upon at all... why would kishi mention him and bring him up as a char without a good reason
so solid effort, +rep XD

:rofl: yes yes!

He was a shell of his former self? He just said that because he wanted people to think he is Madara and he wasnt as powerful so that was his excuse. Any how he didnt have to beat Itachi to get the MS he could of just took it when Itachi was dead but instead he gave it to Sasuke because he doesnt need it. Just that fact proves this entire theory wrong. However I dont think its bull shiit and I think the maker did a good job over all. I am just really good at finding flaws and debating. He still put a good effort and the truth could be somewhat similar to this.

He wanted EMS! Like I said earlier you need someone who has already awakened it and it can be awakened ONLY by using your brothers pair.

And he couldn't have beaten Itachi, he said "If Itachi knew the whole truth about me, I would have been dead"... which means Itachi was stronger than Tobi back then.

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so the body was found

wrong, the suicide note was found and Shisui was missing.

I didn't bother going through the current pages to see what people were saying about this, so im going to post this anyway.

There are a lot of flaws in this theory, i don't think any of it is really believable besides the relation of Izunga, Kagami, Obito, and Shisui.

It's already been proven that Tobi(the masked man) is not Madara Uchiha since Madara has been revived via Edo Tensei. One of the reasons why his sharingan hasn't caused him to go blind is simple.. Not once has he used Susano, amaterasu, or tsukuyomi. All of those techniques cause gradual blindness. He honestly hasn't used any Mangekyo Sharingan techniques yet.

And as for your theory with Shisui's death being suspicious? Danzou is a smart dude who has/had plenty of knowledge about the sharingan and uchiha fighting styles. If he was able to over power Shisui enough to steal one of his eyes, I seriously doubt he would go back to fight again while completely blind. Entrusting his last eye with Itachi and committing suicide would really be the only course of action he had. And Itachi did write the suicide letter for him because you know... he was blind. Have you ever tried writing something with your eyes closed? it's hard.

Those are the only flaws I can really explain at this point.

You know, one can write a suicide note today and go die after a week... especially if you want to write it as a code or something well thought out... U_U

 

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Omg this is a tonne of work trying to reply to everything ! :ghehe:

i enjoyed this thread because you thought of things that other people havent, i could imagine kishi reading this and being like 'ahh shit' and postponing manga for a month while he reworks his story to something else.

Im not sure if its 100% correct or anything like that, but i really like the family tree idea - as youhave pointed out a resemblence that i didnt notice so good work there.

Im not sure about the shisui bit - i think people just hyped him up so much that we were like 'dafaq...danzo took his eye?' - he wasnt OP - he was just saving his KA for a better time IMO - Shisui wouldnt have been in on it IMO.

The idea of Tobi = Kagami is good because he's an uchiha who was mentioned at the time that was required but who hasnt been characterised or expaneded upon at all... why would kishi mention him and bring him up as a char without a good reason
so solid effort, +rep XD

Thanks bro xd
You have some good theories yourself
hmm everyone seems to be picking up on the Shisui thing :ghehe:
I really find it suspicious though? I mean we never saw Itachi kill him U_U
I don't get it :T_T: I really don't :T_T: What is the point of killing himself !

good theory but two hole
1.itachi killed shisui to get MS as stated in manga not tobi
2. To unlock MS you must kill some one close to you or see someone close to you die and Rin is not even a friend of shisui for him to care cause the age difference is too far apart for them to grow up together or know each other.
3.tobi did go bling his eye close after his fight with konan that is one reason he got the reinngan plus it is know that after using izanagi you go blind

Did you read ? :scorps:
1. I never said Tobi killed Shisui for MS , I just said he killed him or has him trapped somewhere :shrug:
2. He has Obito's eye btw , so that is why I said he wanted to kill Rin .. :|
3. I don't understand your third point, that 'other' eye lost its light from izangi its different I mean't losing its light from using it so much xd

One thing... If Kagami is Shisui's dad, why on earth would he kill him and/or lock him away in the other dimension? Beside that, good post.

Thanks xd
And I was just trying to throw a theory out there on where Shisui's body is :shrug:

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so the body was found

His body was never found :|
They just said that based upon the suicide letter they found ..

wow....first thread in a while that made it high on hottest threads that i didnt see any trolls on....what a great find!!

Yes ! you people are amazing having a general discussion

Damn man you put alot of work in this thread +rep.....
a question.....

Looking at that epic ass family tree.....some of the uchiha look very similar...but idk somehow it just doesnt convince me.....are u saying obito and shisui are brothers or did i misread??.....and it could be damn possible because that thread was alot....i read it all man

Yeah I said that they were bro's xd

I didn't bother going through the current pages to see what people were saying about this, so im going to post this anyway.

There are a lot of flaws in this theory, i don't think any of it is really believable besides the relation of Izunga, Kagami, Obito, and Shisui.

It's already been proven that Tobi(the masked man) is not Madara Uchiha since Madara has been revived via Edo Tensei. One of the reasons why his sharingan hasn't caused him to go blind is simple.. Not once has he used Susano, amaterasu, or tsukuyomi. All of those techniques cause gradual blindness. He honestly hasn't used any Mangekyo Sharingan techniques yet.

And as for your theory with Shisui's death being suspicious? Danzou is a smart dude who has/had plenty of knowledge about the sharingan and uchiha fighting styles. If he was able to over power Shisui enough to steal one of his eyes, I seriously doubt he would go back to fight again while completely blind. Entrusting his last eye with Itachi and committing suicide would really be the only course of action he had. And Itachi did write the suicide letter for him because you know... he was blind. Have you ever tried writing something with your eyes closed? it's hard.

Those are the only flaws I can really explain at this point.

Well you have some good points xd
@pink : I agree , you actually reminded me ! I added it to the thread xd
AS for @bold : I never said he was Madara Uchiha :scorps:
Yeah why is that the only option to kill himself ? I believe he was pushed into it - knew Tobi wanted him or something

good theory and +rep this is my 1st time to ever seen all theories added into one and quite less flaw. but honestly that just sounds more like a fanfiction to me because if it were true,kishi would have to make more than 10 or 20 chapters only to explain the whole thing about tobi.

and if im not mistaken shisui's body was found and also..i dont think bad guy would want to make a child unless he loves his children. and who actually would want to be his wife xd but well anything is possible in naruto. u have gained my respect.

Thanks ? xd
And no they didn't find his body that is why you see so many Shisui=Tobi theories xd
They knew he drowned because they read the suicide letter :scorps:
And who knows it could be fan fiction, some might not be right, some could be , it could all be wrong xd
But idc Its a good discussion starter
And lol I believe that Tobi actually will get a long back story

I usually don't read any Tobi theory because it always revolve around Obito,Kagami,Izuna,Zetsu. But this Super theory does have them all but in a different manner.

After reading all of it and skimming through this thread here are my two cents :

Now I like the Idea about the Obito being Tobi's son. It explains his name, his hatred towards ninja world and especially Kakashi.

I also think that Tobi had Zetsu afterwards. The manga strongly suggests that the Trio Orochimaru,Tobi and Danzou were all scientists and were after Hashi's cells. And I think Tobi's the one who succeeded.

So where in your theory you say that Tobi had zetsu to watch over Obito and Shisui, what I believe that he received the news that his son Obitio died at that bridge and that's when he went evil.

He wanted to have revenge on them all starting from team Minato. He went to that battle field saw his son's body and the pain caused him to awaken his own MS and after he switched it with Obito's eye then he got the EMS [in right eye]. And that's why he's not going blind and that's why he controlled the ninetails in the first place. Because according to Itachi you need EMS to control Kyuubi.

And then we know that Rin died suspiciously and the tragedy of the Namikaze Family, how Tobi wanted to Kill Naruto in front of Minato and all. He wanted to exert the same pain on Minato. Remember Tobi said that he waited for it for a long time [from the day his son died]

And as for Shisui. I believe that all the 3 Danzo,Orochimaru and Tobi [Kagami] were after his KA for their own purposes.


Anyway whatever I've written or the way I'm thinking about it is all thanks to you +rep for the Theory and you did a nice presentation.


Also I'd like to mention that I like the whole Setsusna and Fugaku thing whoever brought it up did a nice job.

Thanks man xd
And also btw I thought I should say I agree with that trio thing
And Itachi said MS was needed to control the Fox that is why I believe Tobi has MS :scorps:
Nice theory bro ! I liked it

kagami is not their father if anything their grandfather he is sarutobi's age under that is kakashi - sannin age group meaning atleast 1 generation is in between kagami and obito

Hiruzen is the same age as Kagami
Hiruzen's son is Asuma the same age as Kakashi give two years U_U
So no actually it can be possible xd

great thread, the best one this year ithink

wease: really you are the best

 

[SashaUchiha]

You're mostly repeating what I said xd