Super theory. inc- EMS, Shisui, Tobi stuff and more ?

[777skills]

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Shisui
I thought shisui was killed by itachi (thus the getting ms by killing his best freind)

While it is possible to have two sons and train them till they get MS why not just train them your self like danzo did the fountain or Root or w/e that program is called? wouldnt that be easier and less risky?

I do agree that tobi is part zetsu but i dont think that jutsu is a sharingan technique and tobi does not have MS or at least he as not been stated to have it.

Also i do think is is POSSIBLE for tobi to be izuna but if he was izuna why was he so easily defeated by minato (i am a minato fanboy lol) but even by minato standards it didnt really take much for him to beat him infact if the fight was acouple moves longer he would have died.

If tobi looks like madara how can that be? When one implants zetzu into the body does the whole body turn change when chakra is absorbed or is only the limb or skin cells with zetzu in them change? Zetzu can camo his self into trees and stuff but is it s/t? I dont think so but it is POSSIBLE.

Since tobi is a very talented ninja why not just kill one of the others that had MS (assuming he had MS) instead of using the risky sons technique you spoke of?

Now assuming that all sharingan have different techniques
obito has s/t attack jutsu
tobi has s/t teleportation
shisui had the genjutsu and so on
what is sasukes and itachi's? or is this just rare incidences?


Maybe tobi isnt uchiha at all. he hasnt used any ms techniques and is known to have indept knowledge of the uchiha maybe he is one of there opponents like the senju was? Maybe he is izuna becuase i dont think anyone else would have such knowledge. Sarutobi was alive during the time of the second hokage and i think the first had died before sarutobi was alive. Sarutobi would be like 70ish during this part of the series. Who ever it is must have been around from the beginning so if it isnt izuna it must be someone just as old.

But your theory has much more detail and i just asked alot of questions. Good Job:ice:

 

[Kaito13]

Amazing! - totally agree.

 

[3MESSIAH]

this actually could be pretty much the best theory i have seen

 

[YoungShinobi]

Fantastic thread!! Good job!!!
^This is a good coment...
If you know what i want...

 

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

+Rep , fantastic job ..Great effort man

and it's very well put together , I'm just stunned .

 

[Sharingan uchiha]

This thread is pretty much all my random theories mashed into one thread
(CBF making multiple ones xd)
I am going to answer some common questions with my own theories , and probably end up asking some more questions :ghehe:

Btw I am pretty confident with my theories tbh So if anyone can find a hole in them well I'll rep+ you and you have the satisfaction of owning LssJBroly

Warning's before hand :

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-Includes some Tobi ID suggestions , it is the centre of all theories really, all theories are pretty much revolve round who he is U_U just give the thread a chance and you'll see what I mean :scorps:

What I am covering in the thread
The centre of the thread is an epic Uchiha Family Tree I have devised
It is this family tree that will help me answer the following :
-Why Tobi does not have EMS
-How Tobi got MS
-Shisui's suspicious death and where his body is
-One of Zetsu's puposes
- Why Tobi wants Sasuke
-Why Tobi's MS does not go blind

Also I will throw in some other theories like:
-How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
-How infinite Tsukuyomi works

There may be more as it comes to me :ghehe: anyway lets go xd

The Ultimate Uchiha Family Tree :

Izuna Uchiha

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is the dad of Kagami Uchiha

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who is the dad of Obito and Shisui Uchiha

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If you think about it this is a pretty bad ass family tree U_U
Izuna with his MS
Kagami who trained with Danzou and Hiruzen
Obito with his OP sharingan - Kamui & S/T
Shisui and KA
-They are resemble each other a bit imo
been discussing in the thread and this came up :
*Tobi and his powerful genjutsu that controlled Yagura resembles Shisui's KA as well as the genjutsu he used on Konan - points to being relatives ?

Anyway:
If Izuna is Kagami's dad - Kagami is Tobi - this explains a lot of things
Number 1 is why Tobi does not have EMS
Its obvious Tobi does not have EMS U_U
-Why would Tobi go and use other peoples rinnegan and not form his own ?

Why doesn't he ?
Well, regardless of who Tobi is - his age suggests he was born back in founding of Konoha era
In this time you'd expect Tobi to have a sibling especially because this was a time when the Uchiha clan were worshipping those with MS, EMS etc.
Why wouldn't you want this for your child - especially being a competitive Uchiha U_U

My theory:
Being Izuna's son , his dad died young which left him an only child and I am going to say an orphan (mum dies at child birth )
-Being an orphan also explains his path towards evil - see Kabuto and Sasori for example U_U
It also explains his connection to Madara : Read if you wish xd

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-Madara would be able to trust Kagami because of the family bond they have and would tell him all his plans , give the rinnegan e.g . ONLY FAMILY BOND ALSO
-He would initially follow Madara because of his dad's faith in him and sacrifice to him and also because he would want to follow the will of his dad and help Madara out
-Kagami would also be easily be swayed into following Madara's beliefs after being brought up in a war torn world and seeing that the Senju had not fixed anything - killed dada etc ..

Being an only child leaves tobi with no way to get EMS :T_T:
Unless ..
This brings me to Obito and Shisui
We know that Tobi is patient
So he has two kids in order for them to get EMS from one another xd
This is where Zetsu comes in xd
One of his initial purposes is to watch over them until they get EMS alerting Tobi who will retrieve the eyes
But ofcourse this happens U_U

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Ruining the plan

Zetsu alerts Tobi who tells Zetsu to retrieve the body then he takes his eye

Tobi getting MS :
Tobi tests out the eye's abilities which explains what happened to Rin

To unlock MS Tobi kills Rin
If you think about it Rin's disappearance is suspicious
Only an elite ninja should of been able to kill her or kidnap her as Minato and Kakashi were both keeping an especially close eye on her after Obito's death

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This points to Tobi who has entered the village undetected before or Zetsu who is named the Akatsuki spy for a reason

Shisui's suspicious death

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Is it just me or does the whole concept of Shisui just killing himself sound stupid ?
I say Tobi at once last attempt to get EMS approached Shisui
I believe he planned on using him much like he is using Sasuke - lead him on a bit - let him be a part of Akatsuki etc.
Then he planned on taking Shisui's MS to make EMS with Obito's eye
However again a failed plan U_U

Shisui catches on his eye is taken by Danzou - This is suspicious as how did Danzou manage to take his eye - Shisui is supposed to be OP U_U
I think Shisui forfeited it as he knew that it would be safe from Tobi with Danzou for a short while
He then gives his other eye to Itachi
He then confronts Tobi blind who kills him or takes him prisoner in his dimension explaining why no one could find Shisui's body

This brings me to Why Tobi wants Sasuke :
[/B] The plan failed twice for Tobi to get EMS so Tobi obviously wants Sasuke for his EMS
He plans on stealing it casting the infinite Tsukuyomi which I believe you need EMS for - eternal - infinite- etc..
That is how I think infinite Tsukuyomi works

Oh yeah and one last thing :
How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
Well being part zetsu :

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which me and a friend decided was because he is old to keep his body in knack - has its advantages other then this U_U

We know that Zetsu can take on the appearance of any one whose chakra he touches
Tobi can get hold of Madara's chakra easily imo
If the rinnegan is supposedly Madara's there is chakra there for example
Using the a similar technique to Zetsu's he manages to pull of being Madara through appearance and chakra etc .. :shrug:

Okay lol I see that theory is a weaker one
EDIT: view some nice as theories in the comments about zetsu they seem more legit then this - they mention Kisame being controlled unknowingly by Tobi check them out for more details

Anyway that is the end of my thread xd

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Is this you ^^^ U_U
Well here is a summary :
- Izuna is Kagami's dad who is Obito and Shisui's dad
-For Infinite Tsukuyomi you need EMS
-Tobi has Shisui's body or killed Shisui , he also killed Rin xd
-Tobi wants Sasuke for his EMS
-Tobi deceived Kisame using a similar technique as Zetsu does - copying appearance and chakra since he is part Zetsu
-Tobi's MS does not go blind because it is enhanced by senju DNA
Any flaws ? point them out
Rep+ for all good comments and -rep for people who start saying 'didn't read' etc oh yeah and a slap

Thanks for reading if you did xd

EDIT: THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE REP I WOULD THANK YOU INDIVIDUALLY BUT I CAN'T RETRACE YOU GUYS ! xd I REPPED BACK THE ONES WHO COMMENTED BECAUSE I COULD FIND THEM THANKS I REALLY APPRECIATED IT xd

DUDE! this is by far the best thread since the invention of this website... i honestly believe this all would happen... i give this a 20 out of 10 :-D... and yes i said 20 out of 10

 

[Cursed Prince]

+ rep but why did he give nagato the rinnengan??? I thinks its because they needed an eternal magenkyou sharingan as well as a regular sharingan. I think tobi was planning on pain reviving madara for his EMS and THEY would do it, but Nagato used the revival technique for naruto, which was why he was like the, "The technique was meant for ME." Which is why he kept sasuke as a backup plan. But I'll make a thread about it.

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

1. Thats not a good explanation at all. The thread maker stated that Tobi wanted EMS SOOOO bad that it was his only goal in life because with it he can only do his plan. He went far enough to kill shisui and even Rin and he had 2 kids just to get it. So why not just take Itachi's??

I will tell you why. Because he doesnt need EMS OBVIOUSLY and he has the Rinnegan and he is doing his plan RIGHT NOW without EMS and he didnt need it or he would take Itachi's by now.

2.Maybe a thought but its clearly not a fact and cant be one.

3. I said that Rin is no use to Tobi because there is no way Rin can be used to activate MS. You replied "Tobi didnt need her but maybe for the eye me might wanted to take her"??? WTTF does that mean??! I guess you mean he took her for his own enjoyment but why Rin??

4. I am glad you agree with me here. But the thread maker stated he uses MS to do it which is wrong or he would of been blind hes been spamming it on kunais, shurikens, etc since he fought Minato.

I never said the thread is bad but my 4 points prove the theory wrong or at least very weak and your responses didnt help it much.
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ok flash. i got you. i respect the hell outta you for actually finding a loop hole and talking about it.but do you think its a good thought theory what ever yes or no
we agree on points two,three and four. ok maybe rin isnt how tobi got ms. ok fine. and yea kamui and tobi cant be a match. and yeah i think it takes more then ms/ems/whatever else to get/control juubi to launch the "hypnotizing tech".but i hope me and you can agree on something else: tobi could have just gotten MS from itachi instead of having kids for it. i see that but what do you think he ment when he said he was a shell of his former self? cause with all that we all have given i still dont see what he needed them eyes for except for evolving them into rinnegan to make the plan work. but what you think?

Yea this theory is BS. I agree with MinatoFLASH. My theory is way better called TOBI IS OBITO.

how is the theory bullshit? how is it obito? after all this time you still think that..i wanna here your response........

 

[Tarheel09]

This was awesome..read the whole thing.. +rep

 

[GhastlyTitan]

Was awesome, plus rep.

But if Izuna is Kagami's dad does that mean madara is itachi's great-grandfather???????

 

[Cascade]

i enjoyed this thread because you thought of things that other people havent, i could imagine kishi reading this and being like 'ahh shit' and postponing manga for a month while he reworks his story to something else.

Im not sure if its 100% correct or anything like that, but i really like the family tree idea - as youhave pointed out a resemblence that i didnt notice so good work there.

Im not sure about the shisui bit - i think people just hyped him up so much that we were like 'dafaq...danzo took his eye?' - he wasnt OP - he was just saving his KA for a better time IMO - Shisui wouldnt have been in on it IMO.

The idea of Tobi = Kagami is good because he's an uchiha who was mentioned at the time that was required but who hasnt been characterised or expaneded upon at all... why would kishi mention him and bring him up as a char without a good reason
so solid effort, +rep XD

 

[Kiiszame]

Good effort man. What I like about Naruto is the mystery behind it. Anything could happen xd

 

[soulreaper11]

good theory but two hole
1.itachi killed shisui to get MS as stated in manga not tobi
2. To unlock MS you must kill some one close to you or see someone close to you die and Rin is not even a friend of shisui for him to care cause the age difference is too far apart for them to grow up together or know each other.
3.tobi did go bling his eye close after his fight with konan that is one reason he got the reinngan plus it is know that after using izanagi you go blind

 

[RockLee X Zabuza]

+rep just for the work you put in and I hated the Kagami theory until I seen yours
I hope it turns out to be true

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

underlined i agree.

bolded your wrong. tobi was talking to kakashi when he said he seem to have forgotten.

and wasnt shishu older than itachi? he wasnt younger than him

i think he was talking to guy..guy asked the question and guy forgets people faces a lot...

 

[Michael92]

One thing... If Kagami is Shisui's dad, why on earth would he kill him and/or lock him away in the other dimension? Beside that, good post.

 

[MinatoFLASH]

ok flash. i got you. i respect the hell outta you for actually finding a loop hole and talking about it.but do you think its a good thought theory what ever yes or no
we agree on points two,three and four. ok maybe rin isnt how tobi got ms. ok fine. and yea kamui and tobi cant be a match. and yeah i think it takes more then ms/ems/whatever else to get/control juubi to launch the "hypnotizing tech".but i hope me and you can agree on something else: tobi could have just gotten MS from itachi instead of having kids for it. i see that but what do you think he ment when he said he was a shell of his former self? cause with all that we all have given i still dont see what he needed them eyes for except for evolving them into rinnegan to make the plan work. but what you think?



how is the theory bullshit? how is it obito? after all this time you still think that..i wanna here your response........

He was a shell of his former self? He just said that because he wanted people to think he is Madara and he wasnt as powerful so that was his excuse. Any how he didnt have to beat Itachi to get the MS he could of just took it when Itachi was dead but instead he gave it to Sasuke because he doesnt need it. Just that fact proves this entire theory wrong. However I dont think its bull shiit and I think the maker did a good job over all. I am just really good at finding flaws and debating. He still put a good effort and the truth could be somewhat similar to this.

 

[Guli]

OHHHHH, this make so much sense

Rep++++++

 

[bpkiddo]

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just kidding lmfao, and so your saying that Tobi is Obito? Since "tobi" loved rin and he killed her for the ms? Good theory.

swag

 

[ProdigyRokuX]

Sounds pretty cool, bro.. But we'll just have to wait a few more weeks to find out who he is. then theories will become more credible + Rep