Super theory. inc- EMS, Shisui, Tobi stuff and more ?

[The Mockingjay]

Lol, I like the username.

Thank youuu xD

Thanks I can't rep you right now but dw tomorrow I will xd
Thanks so much for your time I appreciate it

that's no problem, I don't expect rep simply for reading a piece, it's just nice to hear all the different theories but thanks anyway. x

 

[Legendary Broly]

Thank youuu xD



that's no problem, I don't expect rep simply for reading a piece, it's just nice to hear all the different theories but thanks anyway. x

Well its the least I can do
And yay the thread has 200 posts :scorps:

 

[SashaUchiha]

Thanks rep+ for reading and for that awesome avatar O.O



yeah you have a point xd
But yeah its a pretty cool comparison
rep+ thanks for reading



LOL okay sorry boss

:ice:

200 in like 12 hours??? O.O
You see, this is good stuff... U_U

 

[Legendary Broly]

:ice:

LOL well I am off for the night xd
Have fun arguing guys :L
I'll try to respond to all comments when I am back , negative and positives :|

 

[Negative Knight]

xD im glad this thread is getting so much attention, its really awesome Lol

We really need more threads like this to outnumber all the crappy ones

 

[Tsuki]

OMG you just messed up my mind! xd It all seem to work out !

 

[~Puppet Master~]

TBH I doubt this is true at all, because characters like Kagami are fodder characters who don't actually have anything to do with the anime. But this is a nice theory though +rep

 

[SashaUchiha]

OMG you just messed up my mind! xd It all seem to work out !

nice sig! xd

TBH I doubt this is true at all, because characters like Kagami are fodder characters who don't actually have anything to do with the anime. But this is a nice theory though +rep

Even Tobi was fodder till he told everyone that he was Madara... which was a lie... and yup! it could be all wrong... that's why it's just a theory buddy

 

[Dribbles]

Love your theory mate

One thing though, isn't it a bit too farfetch'd to say that the only Uchiha we know from that Generation are connected to this Naruto Generation? Like, I mean it's an awesome theory, but in between that line it could be anyone.

 

[pdaworld]

This thread is pretty much all my random theories mashed into one thread
(CBF making multiple ones xd)
I am going to answer some common questions with my own theories , and probably end up asking some more questions :ghehe:

Btw I am pretty confident with my theories tbh So if anyone can find a hole in them well I'll rep+ you and you have the satisfaction of owning LssJBroly

Warning's before hand :

Spoiler

-Includes some Tobi ID suggestions , it is the centre of all theories really, all theories are pretty much revolve round who he is U_U just give the thread a chance and you'll see what I mean :scorps:

What I am covering in the thread
The centre of the thread is an epic Uchiha Family Tree I have devised
It is this family tree that will help me answer the following :
-Why Tobi does not have EMS
-How Tobi got MS
-Shisui's suspicious death and where his body is
-One of Zetsu's puposes
- Why Tobi wants Sasuke

Also I will throw in some other theories like:
-How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
-How infinite Tsukuyomi works

There may be more as it comes to me :ghehe: anyway lets go xd

The Ultimate Uchiha Family Tree :

Izuna Uchiha

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is the dad of Kagami Uchiha

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who is the dad of Obito and Shisui Uchiha

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If you think about it this is a pretty bad ass family tree U_U
Izuna with his MS
Kagami who trained with Danzou and Hiruzen
Obito with his OP sharingan - Kamui & S/T
Shisui and KA
-They are resemble each other a bit imo
been discussing in the thread and this came up :
*Tobi and his powerful genjutsu that controlled Yagura resembles Shisui's KA as well as the genjutsu he used on Konan - points to being relatives ?

Anyway:
If Izuna is Kagami's dad - Kagami is Tobi - this explains a lot of things
Number 1 is why Tobi does not have EMS
Its obvious Tobi does not have EMS U_U
-Why would Tobi go and use other peoples rinnegan and not form his own ?

Why doesn't he ?
Well, regardless of who Tobi is - his age suggests he was born back in founding of Konoha era
In this time you'd expect Tobi to have a sibling especially because this was a time when the Uchiha clan were worshipping those with MS, EMS etc.
Why wouldn't you want this for your child - especially being a competitive Uchiha U_U

My theory:
Being Izuna's son , his dad died young which left him an only child and I am going to say an orphan (mum dies at child birth )
-Being an orphan also explains his path towards evil - see Kabuto and Sasori for example U_U
It also explains his connection to Madara : Read if you wish xd

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-Madara would be able to trust Kagami because of the family bond they have and would tell him all his plans , give the rinnegan e.g . ONLY FAMILY BOND ALSO
-He would initially follow Madara because of his dad's faith in him and sacrifice to him and also because he would want to follow the will of his dad and help Madara out
-Kagami would also be easily be swayed into following Madara's beliefs after being brought up in a war torn world and seeing that the Senju had not fixed anything - killed dada etc ..

Being an only child leaves tobi with no way to get EMS :T_T:
Unless ..
This brings me to Obito and Shisui
We know that Tobi is patient
So he has two kids in order for them to get EMS from one another xd
This is where Zetsu comes in xd
One of his initial purposes is to watch over them until they get EMS alerting Tobi who will retrieve the eyes
But ofcourse this happens U_U

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Ruining the plan

Zetsu alerts Tobi who tells Zetsu to retrieve the body then he takes his eye

Tobi getting MS :
Tobi tests out the eye's abilities which explains what happened to Rin

To unlock MS Tobi kills Rin
If you think about it Rin's disappearance is suspicious
Only an elite ninja should of been able to kill her or kidnap her as Minato and Kakashi were both keeping an especially close eye on her after Obito's death

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This points to Tobi who has entered the village undetected before or Zetsu who is named the Akatsuki spy for a reason

Shisui's suspicious death

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Is it just me or does the whole concept of Shisui just killing himself sound stupid ?
I say Tobi at once last attempt to get EMS approached Shisui
I believe he planned on using him much like he is using Sasuke - lead him on a bit - let him be a part of Akatsuki etc.
Then he planned on taking Shisui's MS to make EMS with Obito's eye
However again a failed plan U_U

Shisui catches on his eye is taken by Danzou - This is suspicious as how did Danzou manage to take his eye - Shisui is supposed to be OP U_U
I think Shisui forfeited it as he knew that it would be safe from Tobi with Danzou for a short while
He then gives his other eye to Itachi
He then confronts Tobi blind who kills him or takes him prisoner in his dimension explaining why no one could find Shisui's body

This brings me to Why Tobi wants Sasuke :
[/B] The plan failed twice for Tobi to get EMS so Tobi obviously wants Sasuke for his EMS
He plans on stealing it casting the infinite Tsukuyomi which I believe you need EMS for - eternal - infinite- etc..
That is how I think infinite Tsukuyomi works

Oh yeah and one last thing :
How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
Well being part zetsu :

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which me and a friend decided was because he is old to keep his body in knack - has its advantages other then this U_U

We know that Zetsu can take on the appearance of any one whose chakra he touches
Tobi can get hold of Madara's chakra easily imo
If the rinnegan is supposedly Madara's there is chakra there for example
Using the a similar technique to Zetsu's he manages to pull of being Madara through appearance and chakra etc .. :shrug:

Okay lol I see that theory is a weaker one
EDIT: view some nice as theories in the comments about zetsu they seem more legit then this - they mention Kisame being controlled unknowingly by Tobi check them out for more details

Anyway that is the end of my thread xd

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Is this you ^^^ U_U
Well here is a summary :
- Izuna is Kagami's dad who is Obito and Shisui's dad
-For Infinite Tsukuyomi you need EMS
-Tobi has Shisui's body or killed Shisui , he also killed Rin xd
-Tobi wants Sasuke for his EMS
-Tobi deceived Kisame using a similar technique as Zetsu does - copying appearance and chakra since he is part Zetsu

Any flaws ? point them out
Rep+ for all good comments and -rep for people who start saying 'didn't read' etc oh yeah and a slap

Thanks for reading if you did xd

EDIT: THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE REP I WOULD THANK YOU INDIVIDUALLY BUT I CAN'T RETRACE YOU GUYS ! xd I REPPED BACK THE ONES WHO COMMENTED BECAUSE I COULD FIND THEM THANKS I REALLY APPRECIATED IT xd

Itachi killed Shisui. He even said so himself. For two reason. Shisui wanted itachi to protect his only remain eye. (danzo took the other one). Second it allow Itachi to unlock MS, as Shisui was itachi best friend and vice versa. Shisui according to itachi didn't want the clan to go to war with the village as much as itachi didn't either.

Need to drop the Overpowered crap though. Tired of people just throwing that around. Only a select few can really be called OP. Namely Madara, the First, Pain with no knowledge and the third Raikage. (My opinion) Thats it
As Shisui really has no feats to his name and the only thing he was known for was having extrememly excellent Genjutus. Nothing else.

His age I going to have to throw out as well. Durning fourth time from what you can glimpse he was a younger man possibly from kakashi generation. Not someone durning the birth of the village. Their is still the forgotten bit previous chapter that tobi mention that Gai and Kakashi seem to have forgotten his face.

thats all for now

 

[NOemotions]

This thread is pretty much all my random theories mashed into one thread
(CBF making multiple ones xd)
I am going to answer some common questions with my own theories , and probably end up asking some more questions :ghehe:

Btw I am pretty confident with my theories tbh So if anyone can find a hole in them well I'll rep+ you and you have the satisfaction of owning LssJBroly

Warning's before hand :

Spoiler

-Includes some Tobi ID suggestions , it is the centre of all theories really, all theories are pretty much revolve round who he is U_U just give the thread a chance and you'll see what I mean :scorps:

What I am covering in the thread
The centre of the thread is an epic Uchiha Family Tree I have devised
It is this family tree that will help me answer the following :
-Why Tobi does not have EMS
-How Tobi got MS
-Shisui's suspicious death and where his body is
-One of Zetsu's puposes
- Why Tobi wants Sasuke

Also I will throw in some other theories like:
-How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
-How infinite Tsukuyomi works

There may be more as it comes to me :ghehe: anyway lets go xd

The Ultimate Uchiha Family Tree :

Izuna Uchiha

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is the dad of Kagami Uchiha

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who is the dad of Obito and Shisui Uchiha

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If you think about it this is a pretty bad ass family tree U_U
Izuna with his MS
Kagami who trained with Danzou and Hiruzen
Obito with his OP sharingan - Kamui & S/T
Shisui and KA
-They are resemble each other a bit imo
been discussing in the thread and this came up :
*Tobi and his powerful genjutsu that controlled Yagura resembles Shisui's KA as well as the genjutsu he used on Konan - points to being relatives ?

Anyway:
If Izuna is Kagami's dad - Kagami is Tobi - this explains a lot of things
Number 1 is why Tobi does not have EMS
Its obvious Tobi does not have EMS U_U
-Why would Tobi go and use other peoples rinnegan and not form his own ?

Why doesn't he ?
Well, regardless of who Tobi is - his age suggests he was born back in founding of Konoha era
In this time you'd expect Tobi to have a sibling especially because this was a time when the Uchiha clan were worshipping those with MS, EMS etc.
Why wouldn't you want this for your child - especially being a competitive Uchiha U_U

My theory:
Being Izuna's son , his dad died young which left him an only child and I am going to say an orphan (mum dies at child birth )
-Being an orphan also explains his path towards evil - see Kabuto and Sasori for example U_U
It also explains his connection to Madara : Read if you wish xd

Spoiler

-Madara would be able to trust Kagami because of the family bond they have and would tell him all his plans , give the rinnegan e.g . ONLY FAMILY BOND ALSO
-He would initially follow Madara because of his dad's faith in him and sacrifice to him and also because he would want to follow the will of his dad and help Madara out
-Kagami would also be easily be swayed into following Madara's beliefs after being brought up in a war torn world and seeing that the Senju had not fixed anything - killed dada etc ..

Being an only child leaves tobi with no way to get EMS :T_T:
Unless ..
This brings me to Obito and Shisui
We know that Tobi is patient
So he has two kids in order for them to get EMS from one another xd
This is where Zetsu comes in xd
One of his initial purposes is to watch over them until they get EMS alerting Tobi who will retrieve the eyes
But ofcourse this happens U_U

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Ruining the plan

Zetsu alerts Tobi who tells Zetsu to retrieve the body then he takes his eye

Tobi getting MS :
Tobi tests out the eye's abilities which explains what happened to Rin

To unlock MS Tobi kills Rin
If you think about it Rin's disappearance is suspicious
Only an elite ninja should of been able to kill her or kidnap her as Minato and Kakashi were both keeping an especially close eye on her after Obito's death

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This points to Tobi who has entered the village undetected before or Zetsu who is named the Akatsuki spy for a reason

Shisui's suspicious death

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Is it just me or does the whole concept of Shisui just killing himself sound stupid ?
I say Tobi at once last attempt to get EMS approached Shisui
I believe he planned on using him much like he is using Sasuke - lead him on a bit - let him be a part of Akatsuki etc.
Then he planned on taking Shisui's MS to make EMS with Obito's eye
However again a failed plan U_U

Shisui catches on his eye is taken by Danzou - This is suspicious as how did Danzou manage to take his eye - Shisui is supposed to be OP U_U
I think Shisui forfeited it as he knew that it would be safe from Tobi with Danzou for a short while
He then gives his other eye to Itachi
He then confronts Tobi blind who kills him or takes him prisoner in his dimension explaining why no one could find Shisui's body

This brings me to Why Tobi wants Sasuke :
[/B] The plan failed twice for Tobi to get EMS so Tobi obviously wants Sasuke for his EMS
He plans on stealing it casting the infinite Tsukuyomi which I believe you need EMS for - eternal - infinite- etc..
That is how I think infinite Tsukuyomi works

Oh yeah and one last thing :
How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
Well being part zetsu :

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which me and a friend decided was because he is old to keep his body in knack - has its advantages other then this U_U

We know that Zetsu can take on the appearance of any one whose chakra he touches
Tobi can get hold of Madara's chakra easily imo
If the rinnegan is supposedly Madara's there is chakra there for example
Using the a similar technique to Zetsu's he manages to pull of being Madara through appearance and chakra etc .. :shrug:

Okay lol I see that theory is a weaker one
EDIT: view some nice as theories in the comments about zetsu they seem more legit then this - they mention Kisame being controlled unknowingly by Tobi check them out for more details

Anyway that is the end of my thread xd

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Is this you ^^^ U_U
Well here is a summary :
- Izuna is Kagami's dad who is Obito and Shisui's dad
-For Infinite Tsukuyomi you need EMS
-Tobi has Shisui's body or killed Shisui , he also killed Rin xd
-Tobi wants Sasuke for his EMS
-Tobi deceived Kisame using a similar technique as Zetsu does - copying appearance and chakra since he is part Zetsu

Any flaws ? point them out
Rep+ for all good comments and -rep for people who start saying 'didn't read' etc oh yeah and a slap

Thanks for reading if you did xd

EDIT: THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE REP I WOULD THANK YOU INDIVIDUALLY BUT I CAN'T RETRACE YOU GUYS ! xd I REPPED BACK THE ONES WHO COMMENTED BECAUSE I COULD FIND THEM THANKS I REALLY APPRECIATED IT xd

Actually really good theory, i read every bit of it.. +rep for this

 

[Meowazziel]

+rep.
Although i read some of this stuff before (like the family tree), you have put it all down really nice together.

 

[lukasenko]

@ LssJBroly

The other users theory about the Sage's second son being alive made a lot of sense. The only thing that I tried to argue with him was the fact that he would not be able to live this long. He justified this point as the sage of the six paths had exceptional overall physical abilities as he could hold inside of him all the nine tailed beasts safely. That indeed does give some credit to the Sage as for many people it has been difficult to hold only one tailed beast.

Also I don't think that you understood well my question about the sharingan. The whole idea is that for kakashi to access the other dimension he needs to use his MS, while Tobi doesn't use it as his eye does not undergo through any physical changes while he decides to materialize or access the other dimension. Tobi does not use MS as he uses his dimension jutsu.

In addition, also referring to the same physical fact that the normal sharingan undergoes when it changes to MS, we hav enot seen tobi's sharingan undergo through any change while he was controlling the nine tails in the minato arc. In addittion, Danzo controlled his enemies with just a normal sharingan. Considering these, and the fact that if Tobi used the MS we would have already seen it makes me believe that he actually doesn't use MS.


EDIT: also the whole thing about Tobi brainwashing kisame seems a little bit too much. There's no point of Tobi doing it since he was already dedicated to his cause. Plus, if that were the case, the discussion that happens between them would have not been shown to the audience. You don't have to discuss someone or convince them about anything in order to brain wash them.

I wonder if Tobi and Madara will have the same voice?

 

[Kettei]

I like

 

[sage1999]

Isnt izuna supposed to be dead??

 

[Nishio]

he clearly is uchiha bro. how can he do all they techs? have so much knowledge? have so much skill come on man

He can do there techniques because he stole a sharingan which allows you to copy techniques. He knows so much because of ZETSU who can record anything he sees and be anywhere he wants, and uchiha aren't the only ninja with skill.....

 

[Nishio]

No ..
If you think about it Kagami's older generation in Tobirama who is Hashirama's younger bro.
Izuna is Madara's younger bro so they are around the same age
So no it actually fits

True. But than In that case it depends on izunas age relative to kagamis

 

[lukasenko]

He can do there techniques because he stole a sharingan which allows you to copy techniques. He knows so mich because of ZETSU who can record anything he sees and be anywhere he wants, and Ichihara aren't the only ninja with skill.....

hmm I wonder the extent to which zetsu is able to observe things. I remember the part when he was following the five land lords and he was like "nice move, but they don't know that I am the forest" he sounded very creepy

 

[zombiejesus]

Not a bad theory but it says you can achieve ems by close blood reletive so if he was the father or grandfather that would be a close reletive so tobi should be able to get ems from his sons right? also as much as he uses the s/t shouldnt he be blind if he doesnt have ems i mena he is never shown with an ms eye but he uses an ms tec. anyway good theories all in all nice work +rtep

 

[thegame]

I see some problems with that family tree though. And I am now going to kill the most important part of your theory, although I liked it a lot.

Kagami can't be Izunas child. My prove for this is that I expect Kagami to have been born at the same year as Hiruzen and Danzo. They were probably born a few years after the foundation of Konoha, but definitly not before it was founded.

Also they were born only a few years before Madara and Hashirama had their final fight, because when Tobirama became their teacher, along with Kagami, Madara was said to be dead.

I could still see Kagami as being Tobi, but this makes it much more unlikely. Although I don't think Shisui and Obito were brothers, since Shisui was considered a genius, and Obito was quite "dumb" although I could very well be wrong, but when it comes to Uchiha, so far all brothers (sasuke, itachi - izuna, madara) were all geniuses.

Also you say this: "Kagami who trained with Danzou and Hiruzen"
While this may be partly through, Hiruzen was not in their team. I belive Danzo and Kagami were in the same team, and Donzo was the "best" shinobi in that team, as Hiruzen was the best in his. Btw Hiruzen was in team with the 2 konoha elders, who tries to control Tsunade, etc...