Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

Who do you think Tobi is?

  • Jubbi

    Votes: 5 0.6%
  • Sage of Six Paths O.O

    Votes: 14 1.6%
  • Izuna uchiha

    Votes: 170 19.6%
  • Kagami uchiha

    Votes: 97 11.2%
  • Obito Uchiha

    Votes: 177 20.4%
  • Fugaku Uchiha

    Votes: 9 1.0%
  • Shisui Uchiha

    Votes: 17 2.0%
  • Setsuna Uchiha

    Votes: 4 0.5%
  • Madara's Son

    Votes: 12 1.4%
  • Obito's father

    Votes: 18 2.1%
  • Madara's split personality (created before original body died.)

    Votes: 39 4.5%
  • A copycat whose rolemodel is Madara.

    Votes: 7 0.8%
  • An unknown Uchiha

    Votes: 21 2.4%
  • Real Madara in Zetsu body

    Votes: 5 0.6%
  • Some one from Madara's time ( can't decide though)

    Votes: 10 1.2%
  • Elder son of Sage of Sixth Path

    Votes: 44 5.1%
  • Zetsu

    Votes: 21 2.4%
  • First Edo tensie

    Votes: 2 0.2%
  • Tobirama

    Votes: 8 0.9%
  • Another Senju

    Votes: 4 0.5%
  • An Uzumaki

    Votes: 10 1.2%
  • Tobi (No one we know)

    Votes: 31 3.6%
  • The ramen guy

    Votes: 71 8.2%
  • Someone other than these.

    Votes: 23 2.7%
  • I am done. No theory. ( Not anymore at least.)

    Votes: 48 5.5%

  • Total voters
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I don't want it to be Obito, but as said many times before Kishi is making us think this way. Something that could possibly relate:

Sannin - Orochimaru defected
Ame Orphans - Nagato defected
Team Minato - Obito possibly defected
Team Kakashi - Sasuke defected

Just find it funny how most of these teams of 3 are connected in multiple ways and mirror each other in a way.
They don't actually...the only two that do are Oro defecting and Sasuke defecting. Nagato never defected. Yahiko was killed, and Konan followed Nagato. There are no similarities there. And Obito never defected he died. So yeah...no. Nice try.
 

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On Team Minato, Kakashi was the one similar to Sasuke and Orochimaru(their parents died), not Obito. Obito was similar to Jiraiya/Naruto.
 

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i mostly agree with FizzyDrink, thx for your post!
im really interested in this but people shouldnt base their theories on lies.
Because of Zetsu Tobi CAN KNOW everthing but we CANNOT KNOW what of tobi's words is truth and what not.
Same goes for what we know about uchiha/sharingan coming from itachi when he used to live (sibblings, kill a friend ect...) He used to lie at that time so we CANNOT KNOW whats actually true about this. Some of this itachi or tobi said has already been proven to be wrong.

All i can say so far is that
the eye tobi is using is probably not his own as he wouldve gone blind by the extend he uses MS kamui if it would be his own eye.
Why is he even hiding his face in the first place? Why would it be bad for him if someone knew his face?
My guess would be tobi is some sort of creation, a reincarnation of madara fused with harashimas dna or something like that...
 
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He is Father Obito >> (( Obito 's Father... take rival with Minato (Yodaime ) coz not help he son in Ninja World War 3, 4/ 5 year before.
.I think Obito's father is special ninja like Kakashi father, White Fang.. so that he son was put in special team , lead by Yellow Flash..Minato
( Naruto and Sasuke also was in special team, lead by Kakashi )...
and I think Obito father is same age with Jiraiya, Orochimaru, ��*Tsunade ( grandchildren ��*Hashirama Senju )... so it may be grandchildren Uchiha Madara / Izuna ..!!! he may be close work with Orichimaru and ��*Danzō Shimura ( He may be 'ne' dark Root ANBU and he may be person who take KABUTO from Orphanage with orichimaru and Danzo ) .. so he know everythings in Kanohagure.. like secrect family.. Fū and Torune, ))


He is Obito >> (( is he obito - kakashi's bestfriend ... Tobi threatens to kill Naruto. 16 year ago.. ( kakashi / obito if live are in 17-18 year old) .kakashi have share the same eyes from obito,,,from their jutsu it almost the same technique.look when kakashi use a jutsu when he's on mangekyu,,,it's just the same when tobi escape from enemy jutsu...

tobi can kill kakashi in tree time they meet but not kill .. why...))

He is Kagami >> (( this might mean that Tobi a direct descendant of the sage of six paths or the uchiha, but someone old, near sandiame's age. If he was, this would show why he said wants to make a world with no heroes, might be still a bit depressed about losing his teacher, tobirama, who was also able to use space-time ninjutsu. and the way he used the war fan was kinda like the way madara used it against hashirama, so kagami might've seen the battle when he was a kid or something, which explains why he could describe it to that gullible ******, explains how he controlled the kyubi and stuff. we already know that madara knows tobi, so he might've been his teacher or something ))>> C&Paste...

She is Rin .. >>(( Rin who would hate the uchia because of the way they treated obito and the village cause he died in the way he did. plus she has the medical injutus needed to transplant eyes was able to wrap of saskue when itachi powned him and no one knows what happened to her))

but they Zetsu in key to we knowwho is Tobi... Zetsu is for sure involved in it somewhere. During Tobi's fight with Minato white substance dripped from Tobi's arm after Minato hit him with a rasengan and that white substance is linked to Zetsu so Zetsu is in it somewhere, just haven't figured out where.

Zetsu (ゼツ, Zetsu) is a member of Akatsuki and one of Tobi's most loyal subordinates. The black half is known as Black Zetsu (黒ゼツ, Kuro-Zetsu), while the white half is known as White Zetsu (白ゼツ, Shiro-Zetsu).

Background After obtaining the cells of Hashirama Senju, Tobi used them to cultivate an alter ego for Black Zetsu, thus creating the white half that would be known as "White Zetsu".[2] It is currently unknown where his black half comes from.

Trivia Zetsu
��*According to Zetsu's card in the Naruto: Shippūden card game, he is from Konoha.
��*Kishimoto first intended to make Akatsuki's members monsters with almost no human traits. Zetsu is a prime example of this.
��*According to the Third Databook:
��*Zetsu's hobby is observing unique shinobi.
��*Zetsu wishes to fight people who are likely to leave behind a corpse that will make a good meal.
��*Zetsu's favourite food is "chewy" people, while his least favourites are konnyaku and jelly.
��*Zetsu's favourite phrase is "Independence unbending" (独立不撓, Dokuritsu Futō), which roughly means "The only one you can count on is yourself".
��*Wherever "Tobi" is, Zetsu is never far behind.
��*Although most characters call Tobi "Madara Uchiha", Zetsu still calls him Tobi. !!!!



Just to share... from naruto.wikia.com

Before the era of ninja villages, Madara Uchiha was the leader of the Uchiha clan, the first person to awaken the Mangekyō Sharingan (and likewise its "eternal" form), a co-founder of Konohagakure, and a man able to tame even the Nine-Tails. Madara and Hashirama Senju, Konoha's First Hokage, eventually fought over leadership of Konoha at a site that would later be called the Valley of the End. History recorded that Madara was killed during the battle and the Nine-Tails taken from him.

Decades after, a masked-individual known only as "Tobi" surfaced. He later identified himself as Madara Uchiha. Tobi claims to have encouraged Yahiko to form Akatsuki as well as the one who "gave" the Rinnegan to Nagato.[6] Until the events of Part II, he has been operating in secret, allowing Nagato to serve as the figurehead of Akatsuki under his direction. While many characters are surprised that "Madara Uchiha" could still be around so many years after his supposed death, they accept Tobi's word on the grounds that only Madara would be capable of the crimes Tobi has committed.

While Madara's resurrection during the Fourth Great Shinobi World War lends credibility to the belief that he is actually dead, it does not appear that he was actually killed during his fight with Hashirama. Similarly, Tobi is also in possession of some of Hashirama's DNA.[7] Tobi is otherwise intimately familiar with Madara's history, sharing his animosity towards Konoha and the Senju and even going so far as to claim that Izuna Uchiha willingly gave up his eyes to Madara in order to form the "eternal" Mangekyō Sharingan. It is, therefore, difficult to say which actions were those of Tobi and which were those of the real Madara. At the very least, Madara is aware of Tobi's existence.

This masked-man is confirmed to have done various things in the past under the name "Madara Uchiha". For the sake of convenience this man shall be referred to as "Tobi".

Tobi threatens to kill Naruto. 16 year ago.. ( kakashi / obito if live are in 17-18 year old) ....may be Obito 's Father... take rival with Minato ( Yodaime ) coz not help he son in Ninja World War 3, 4/ 5 year before.
.I think Obito's father is special ninja like Kakashi father, White Fang.. so that he son was put in special team , lead by Yellow Flash..Minato
( Naruto and Sasuke also was in special team, lead by Kakashi )...
and I think Obito father is same age with Jiraiya, Orochimaru, ��*Tsunade ( grandchildren ��*Hashirama Senju )... so it may be grandchildren Uchiha Madara / Izuna ..!!! he may be close work with Orichimaru and ��*Danzō Shimura ( He may be 'ne' dark Root ANBU ) .. so he know everythings in Kanohagure.. like secrect family.. Fū and Torune,

Twelve years before the start of the series, Tobi discovered that Kushina Uzumaki, the Nine-Tails' jinchūriki, would be going into childbirth, causing the seal keeping the Nine-Tails contained within her to weaken. Tobi found where Kushina was being kept, killed her ANBU bodyguards and midwives, and took her son, Naruto, hostage. Naruto's father, the Fourth Hokage, Minato Namikaze, took Naruto back from him, in doing so separating himself from Kushina and allowing Tobi to flee with her. As the seal was about to break, Tobi used his Sharingan to put the Nine-Tails under his control. Since Kushina survived the extraction, Tobi tried to have the Nine-Tails kill her. Minato arrived in time to save her and retreat. Tobi, uninterested, summoned the Nine-Tails into Konoha and ordered it to destroy the village.[8]

Tobi and Minato clash.
Added by OmnibenderMinato soon afterwards arrived to help in the village's defence. Before he could contribute much or even tell anyone what had happened, Tobi located him and tried to use his space–time technique to send him away and prevent further interference. Minato was able to use his own teleportation technique to escape, but Tobi pursued him. The two began fighting and Minato struggled to successfully strike Tobi. After several failed attacks, Minato finally hit Tobi with the Rasengan and branded him with a seal for his Flying Thunder God Technique, allowing him to teleport to Tobi whenever he wanted. He then used a Contract Seal on Tobi to remove the Nine-Tails from his control. Wounded and deprived of his best weapon, Tobi fled, stating that the Nine-Tails would be his again someday and that he still had other plans.

Tobi as he was approached by Itachi.
Added by AlienGamerEight years after the Nine-Tails' attack, Tobi infiltrated Konoha to try to rekindle the flames of war. He was found by Itachi Uchiha first, who convinced Tobi to spare the village in exchange for helping to wipe out the Uchiha clan for deserting him decades earlier. Tobi complied, training Itachi and providing assistance. However, Itachi never truly trusted Tobi and kept an eye on him for the rest of his life. Around this time Tobi also met with Danzō Shimura.

Tobi took control of the Fourth Mizukage, in effect making him the "real" Mizukage, leading Kirigakure into the years of the "Bloody Mist". Kisame Hoshigaki was one of the few Kirigakure ninja to know of his manipulation of the Fourth. Kisame helped Tobi in his quest to bring about an end to the "world of lies".

Zetsu (ゼツ, Zetsu) is a member of Akatsuki and one of Tobi's most loyal subordinates. The black half is known as Black Zetsu (黒ゼツ, Kuro-Zetsu), while the white half is known as White Zetsu (白ゼツ, Shiro-Zetsu).

Background After obtaining the cells of Hashirama Senju, Tobi used them to cultivate an alter ego for Black Zetsu, thus creating the white half that would be known as "White Zetsu".[2] It is currently unknown where his black half comes from.

Trivia Zetsu
��*According to Zetsu's card in the Naruto: Shippūden card game, he is from Konoha.
��*Kishimoto first intended to make Akatsuki's members monsters with almost no human traits. Zetsu is a prime example of this.
��*According to the Third Databook:
��*Zetsu's hobby is observing unique shinobi.
��*Zetsu wishes to fight people who are likely to leave behind a corpse that will make a good meal.
��*Zetsu's favourite food is "chewy" people, while his least favourites are konnyaku and jelly.
��*Zetsu's favourite phrase is "Independence unbending" (独立不撓, Dokuritsu Futō), which roughly means "The only one you can count on is yourself".
��*Wherever "Tobi" is, Zetsu is never far behind.
��*Although most characters call Tobi "Madara Uchiha", Zetsu still calls him Tobi.
��*Tobi made a deal with Kabuto, in that he would give him "one Zetsu", provided he were to capture the Nine-Tails.[14] The specifics of this deal have yet to be elaborated on.


Tobi threatens to kill Naruto. 16 year ago.. ( kakashi / obito if live are in 17-18 year old) ....may be Obito 's Father... take rival with Minato ( Yodaime ) coz not help he son in Ninja World War 3, WARV 4/ 5 year before.
.I think Obito's father is special ninja like Kakashi father, White Fang.. so that he son was put in special team , lead by Yellow Flash..Minato
( Naruto and Sasuke also was in special team, lead by Kakashi )...
and I think Obito father is same age with Jiraiya, Orochimaru, ��*Tsunade ( grandchildren ��*Hashirama Senju )... so it may be grandchildren Uchiha Madara / Izuna / UCHIHA KAGAMI ( He hair like Obito / Tobi and he have special ability coz was put in Tobirama Senju team in Shinoby WW1 with Hiruzen Sarutobi and Danzō Shimura ..!!!

Obito dad may be close work with Orichimaru and ��*Danzō Shimura ( He may be 'ne' dark Root ANBU ) .. so he know everythings in Konohagure.. like secrect family.. Fū and Torune, and before Sasuke VS Danzo.. Tobi has say.. he long time to see Danzo..as partner or staff .. ??

may be just name.. but see > O B I T O = T O B I

MAY BE OBITO DAD NAME IS TOBI ...

Just to share... from naruto.wikia.com
Trivia
��*Tobi can be translated as "jump" (飛), or as "kite" (鳶). The latter translation connects Tobi with Taka through the Japanese proverb "a hawk born from a kite" (鳶が鷹を生む, tobi ga taka o umu), meaning that an extraordinarily gifted child can be born from ordinary parents.

��*Wherever "Tobi" is, Zetsu is never far behind.
��*Although most characters call Tobi "Madara Uchiha", Zetsu still calls him Tobi.
��*Tobi made a deal with Kabuto, in that he would give him "one Zetsu", provided he were to capture the Nine-Tails.[14] The specifics of this deal have yet to be elaborated
 

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I think that his change of personality is very useful in discovering who he is. He was all happy and stupid with deidara, and after he became all serious, saying he's madara. Did something happen?
 

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I think that his change of personality is very useful in discovering who he is. He was all happy and stupid with deidara, and after he became all serious, saying he's madara. Did something happen?
yes, i think thats where zetsu comes in.zetsu is just like that.the white part of zetsu is goofy and happy while the black part is always serious and calm.
 

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Oh..this is awesome, here we go.





To add to this old post of mine, one of the biggest arguments aside from Obito being crushed is tha the timeline between Madara and Tobi working together doesn't match with Obito's timeline. What readers fail to see however is that Kishi never gave any solid proof as to when Tobi and Madar actually met. There's absolutely none...

Another argument is why would Madara choose a half dying kid to ressurect him? It actually makes perfect sense that he would. If he was able to brainwash Obito with his own ideals throughout his earlier years, mentor him, and then place Zetsu there with him after he's gone. Then trusting a kid whose been trained to follow your way is much more guaranteeing that trusting an adult whose already mature enough to have his own view of how the shinobi world should be.

I mean one miscalculation in their character and ideals, and he's not being ressurected...

I'm almost certain Madara thought of this.

And then there's the bigger issue of Obito's death. Miracles happen even in real life though, people living with disfigured body parts because of terrible accidents. I don't know why it's so impossible to believe that it's possible in a manga lol. Especially when there' a tech like the rinnegan.


Well that's all. ^^ Though I'm slowly developing another theory (Obito and the elder son involved) but have to think on it some more.



Okay, thought about it, and here's what I came up with.


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THEORY 2


Tobi is indeed the elder son, but is using Obito's body. Okay, Madara took his brother's eyes and gained EMS, and then went back to read the stone. But what he saw was more than details about the Sharingan left by the so6p, he saw something the elder son left himself, the details on how to ressurect him and his aid in th reader's quest for more power. Afterall, anyone who has obtained the EMS and seeks further knowledge by reading the stone is without a doutb seeking more power. The elder son knew this, and used it to guarantee his return.

But he came back "incomplete", in other words he was very weak, and paled in comparison to Madara's strength...

However, he had a rinnegan of his own. They came up with a plan (I will mention later), this plan involved the creation of Zetsu. Anyways, he told Madara he must have a near death experiece. But Hashi actually KILLED Madara, afterall, it's unlikely that Hashi wasn't sure that he was dead. What he didn't know...is that the elder son was alive and possessed the eyes we know as the rinnegan. The elder son ressurected Madara, but he couldn't have done so without consuming lots of chakra from an already weak body (or whatever the heck he was). So Zetsu, who can replenish chakra was created from an experiement on how "Tobi" (Getting tired of saying elder son) could survive the depletion of chakra as a result from using the rinne tensei.

After this, Madara had the rinnegan which he unlocked just before he died. He either consumed hashi's cells ro lived naturally. Anyway he lived to meet Nagato, this boy was just perfect, he was an Uzumaki who possessed lots of chakra. And since Tobi wasn't in the condition to actually handle the rinnegan, he passed it on to Nagato.

Tobi and Madara then planned for Madara's ressurection later, but there was something Madara and Tobi had to do, get Tobi a more suitable body than what he had...

This is where Obito comes in at, Madara then used his own rinnegan to revive Obito. And some unknown technique was used that allowed Tobi to enter his body. Depending on the effects caused by this tech, Obito may have aged from this, Madara then passed on. And then Tobi makes his attack (along with his new found techs from obito's sharingan) on the Leaf.

Haha, it's just a theory.
How was nagato goin to bring back Madara? Was the plan ever said aloud?
 

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They don't actually...the only two that do are Oro defecting and Sasuke defecting. Nagato never defected. Yahiko was killed, and Konan followed Nagato. There are no similarities there. And Obito never defected he died. So yeah...no. Nice try.
Mr. Harsh over here. I'm just throwing bullshit out only because I can. This thread will be dead in a couple weeks anyways.

You could say creating the Akatsuki, Yahiko defected from the Amegakure. And IF Obito is Tobi, which again I highly doubt, he would be as good as defected being the current main antagonist.

And I'm sorry, but I see similarities in between certain squads.
Sarutobi -> Jiraiya/Orochimaru
Jiraiya -> Minato/Nagato
Minato -> Kakashi/Obito(Again, still plausible)
Kakashi -> Naruto/Sasuke​

You have on one side the Konohagakure good guys, then on the other people who have attacked Konohagakure or want to. And if Obito does turn out to be Tobi, each team leader has gone up again their defected student:
Sarutobi has faught Oro to defend the leaf
Jiraiya has faught Nagato to essentially defend the leaf
Minato going up against Obito/Tobi to defend the leaf
Kakashi has somewhat went up against Sasuke after his Danzo fight, but Sasuke has yet to each the leaf so that has yet to play out.​

On Team Minato, Kakashi was the one similar to Sasuke and Orochimaru(their parents died), not Obito. Obito was similar to Jiraiya/Naruto.
I was assuming/speculating if Tobi turns out to be Obito. I hope he would be considered a main evil, like Sasuke and Orochimaru. But yeah, his attitude and will did resemble Naruto's a lot.

Again, I just like finding similarities within the story and groups. Not predicting anything just throwing BS out there to converse about and build off of.
 

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How was nagato goin to bring back Madara? Was the plan ever said aloud?
yes it was said out loud. before tobi killed konan,he told her that he was planning to bring back "someone (which was madara)" with nagato's jutsu. and nagato's jutsu that tobi was planning to use was the one nagato used to bring back the people he killed in konoha village.
 
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Ok, here I'll go through every given possibility and use logic to see whether they have a rightful claim.

Of all the choices, very few of them would actually work.

The Juubi could Tobi. It could be that the Juubi's personality or whatever took over a ninja's body or something, and is trying to revive it's body and it's power. This would coincide with Tobi's statement where he says he is a shell of his former self. Also, the fact that Kurama knows the Juubi means that even though it was split, some of what it was still survived, some of it's personality. So the Juubi is a possibility, and the manga has some possible proofs for this.

The Sage is NOT Tobi. He died. We all know that. Age took him away, and that is a fact. Also, he was a man of peace and love, and we know he believed love was the path to peace. That is not how Tobi is trying to achieve peace, so the motive isn't there either. So Tobi is not the Sage.

Tobi being Izuna is quite likely. Timeline, height, weight, and motive all line up. The only problem is how has he lived so long, and there are a variety of explanations, maybe a special new jutsu, or maybe Hashirama's cells were used to increase his life. His age would explain how old he looks and how he said he was a shell of his former self, as well, and his death could very possibly just be a lie, like Madara's death used to be.

Kagami will NOT be Tobi. He is an entirely useless character who is unimportant to the plot. No character has EVER mentioned him even once. He's a pointless character who we haven't ever heard talk, let alone fight. If he were Tobi, it would be terrible writing, and I'm gonna go off on a limb and say that Kishi doesn't want to create such a lame villain.

Tobi CANNOT BE OBITO. The biggest problem with this theory is the fact that Tobi and Madara planned the Moon's Eye Plan TOGETHER. Obito was not alive when Madara was, and even if Obito WAS alive when Madara was (which is INCREDIBLY doubtful, and most likely impossible with the rest of the timeline) there is no way he, at any point of his short 13 year old life, would have planned something like that with Madara. Madara would have chosen a more talented Uchiha, not Obito. So...Tobi is not Obito.

Fugaku is NOT Tobi. This shouldn't even be a theory. When Itachi killed his clan, we SAW him kill his father. Also, Tobi helped Itachi kill the clan, and Tobi and his father (look at their hair) look NOTHING alike. Also, Fugaku would NOT have killed his own clan, we can tell he was very prideful of his clan if he was attempting a coup for just that, pride. Finally, when Itachi approached Tobi, he said that he knew Tobi had sneaked into the Uchiha temple place to read the tablet. Fugaku, being the leader of the Uchiha, wouldn't have needed to sneak in to see it, he could do it whenever he wanted. So Fugaku CANNOT be Tobi.

Shisui cannot be Tobi either because he's even younger than Obito is (see my Obito reasoning)! So the timeline works even less. Also, his motive wouldn't fit, he willingly gave himself up to save the Leaf, Tobi hated the Leaf. Also, Tobi's hair at the time was not anywhere like Shisui's hair at the time.

I personally don't know enough about the Setsuna theory, so I won't try to judge it. I have read that he's the leader of the original Uchiha revolt or something? I don't know. But if that's the case, the motive lines up so for now, I won't count him out.

Madara's son? We don't even know if he HAS a son. He probably would have mentioned it at some time. Either way, I suppose the timeline and motive COULD match up, but either way this doesn't seem so likely, seeing as it would be very random and would necessitate an entirely new backstory. But it's possible I suppose.

Obito's father now? We don't know WHO he is, whether he's important or not, whether he EXISTS, or anything like that. Also, there is no motive that doesn't require somebody creating some fantastic fan fiction. This would be WAY too random, and not good writing. At the very least Madara's son had a motive that could line up. Obito's father on the other hand? Nothing on him, so it's NOT him, for the same reason it's not Kagami.

Any form of the original Madara is not very probable. This is mostly because the whole idea of having 2 REAL Madara's seems unlikely. The biggest problem with this whole thing is that Edo Madara doesn't entirely trust that Tobi will do what he is supposed to do. If Tobi were Madara, then they should have the exact same motives, and Madara wouldn't doubt him. So any form of this isn't very possible. The fact that Tobi seemed to have Zetsu parts could mean that he's just someone who has experimented on himself with Zetsu, not that it's an advanced Madara-Zetsu clone. Thus I would say Tobi is NOT some form of the original Madara.

Zetsu Madara I mentioned above...

The Elder Son of the Sage is a possibility, but is improbable considering how old he would have to be. However, the timeline would work (if he somehow lived that long), and also the motive. So this is a stretch, but it could be possible.

Zetsu is not Tobi. Tobi bosses Zetsu around, and is clearly the leader. Zetsu also doesn't talk to Tobi like they are one. Zetsu is most likely an experiment of Tobi's.

I don't even understand the "first edo tensei" possibility, but Tobi is not an edo. If he were, when he lost his arms he would have been all flakey, and he wouldn't have wasted an eye on Izanagi.

Tobi is not Tobirama. The names match up. That's it. Considering Tobirama was revived by Oro's edo tensei, we KNOW that he was dead, which means we KNOW that he can't be Tobi.

Tobi being a Senju is not very possible at all. It would make sense along with his whole having Senju DNA thing, but considering what the Senju stood for, it's not very possible. Also considering that Tobi is almost definitely an Uchiha, seeing as how he said he was, he wears their garbs, has their eyes, and used a flame jutsu with the name "Uchiha" in it (meaning that it was probably a secret Uchiha technique), he is most likely not Senju.

Tobi being an Uzumaki is unlikely for the same reason as Tobi being a Senju is unlikely, with the added bonus that Tobi never said he had Uzumaki blood, so that works against him being an Uzumaki as well. Also, his hair isn't red...

Tobi being no one we know goes along with many of the other theories (the copycat theory, the "other Uchiha" theory, the Senju theory, the Uzumaki theory, the "from Madara's time" theory, and the "someone other than these" theory). Of these, the most likely is the "from Madara's time" theory combined with the "other Uchiha" theory and the "copycat" theory. However, these would all require a whole new backstory, and a ton of detail linking him to everybody while still somehow making it so we haven't heard of him. This is very unlikely, so him not being someone we know is very improbable. He is VERY likely a character we have heard of or seen before.

The ramen guy is Tobi ;)

So I'll let you all draw your own conclusions from all this. Overall, the possible ones are: The Juubi (unlikely), Izuna, Setsuna? (unlikely), Madara's son (unlikely), the Elder Son (unlikely), and someone we've never heard of (unlikely). Tobi IS the Ramen guy.

Edit: 1000th post! It was a good one too, thankfully.
I am going to quote myself, because clearly people need to understand how to use a little thing called logic.
 

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Ok, here I'll go through every given possibility and use logic to see whether they have a rightful claim.
The base is no place for logic. :p


Kagami will NOT be Tobi. He is an entirely useless character who is unimportant to the plot. No character has EVER mentioned him even once. He's a pointless character who we haven't ever heard talk, let alone fight. If he were Tobi, it would be terrible writing, and I'm gonna go off on a limb and say that Kishi doesn't want to create such a lame villain.
So, you're saying Kagami is nobody? :eek:


Tobi CANNOT BE OBITO. The biggest problem with this theory is the fact that Tobi and Madara planned the Moon's Eye Plan TOGETHER. Obito was not alive when Madara was, and even if Obito WAS alive when Madara was (which is INCREDIBLY doubtful, and most likely impossible with the rest of the timeline) there is no way he, at any point of his short 13 year old life, would have planned something like that with Madara. Madara would have chosen a more talented Uchiha, not Obito. So...Tobi is not Obito.
GTFO with your logic!

Fugaku is NOT Tobi. This shouldn't even be a theory. When Itachi killed his clan, we SAW him kill his father. Also, Tobi helped Itachi kill the clan, and Tobi and his father (look at their hair) look NOTHING alike. Also, Fugaku would NOT have killed his own clan, we can tell he was very prideful of his clan if he was attempting a coup for just that, pride. Finally, when Itachi approached Tobi, he said that he knew Tobi had sneaked into the Uchiha temple place to read the tablet. Fugaku, being the leader of the Uchiha, wouldn't have needed to sneak in to see it, he could do it whenever he wanted. So Fugaku CANNOT be Tobi.
That, and I somehow find it difficult to imagine Fugaku being so complacent in both his sons fighting to the death.

The ramen guy is Tobi ;)
Yes, he would probably know most, if not all, of Naruto's secrets. Despite the absurdity of this theory, it's looking more likely imo.
 

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Tobi ID theories and discsussions

(Take # 2)




Countdown to Tobi ID

Post your latest theories and views about Tobi in here. Please participate in the poll and let's see how many of the NB'ers were able to hit the target.;)

The poll in the thread covers most of the theories members of NarutoBase have come up in last few months. If something totally new came up I will add it to the poll.


We have had some heated discussion and various Tobi theories posted in the last Tobi Sticky (link below):



Some 700 votes were cast last time since a poll was added in May, 2012. Results of the poll last time, theories and discussion can be seen in the link to the last official thread above.

Please continue the discussion from in here. You can use the user name or the character names for searching the theories in the thread.

You can quote post from the older Official theory thread if need be.
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Seeing that Tobi ID theories are one of the most popular and repeatedly made thread, it is stickied. Now play nicely and stop making separate threads for it every time you want to come up with a new one.

Make a separate thread about it now and not only the thread may get closed/trashed you may receive infractions depending on the case.

Please keep the thread spam free and do not make random posts.
It's none of the people you listed it is obviously Rin
 
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