Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

[Edge]

To Edge's post,

I really enjoyed this post because honestly, I was never for the whole Izuna as Tobi thing as much but you have presented the theory in a way where there are very minimal flaws and he could very well much be him. Yes, I do believe that there is a possibility that Izuna would be Tobi, however the fact that they do have his body and Madara mentions that he is very much dead gives a more direct closure to his death. Of course he can be resurrected from rinne tensei as you had mentioned, but what would be the dramatic plot twist in that? Two brothers who are trying to rule the world? If I remember correctly, I think Izuna was the one who was humble and believed in his brother's ability to save the clan, showing that he is very loyal towards is people. Killing them off is a bit shady then, since his main motives to give away his eyes was so that his clan can be saved. I can see where one might argue that he was angry at the Uchihas for throwing out his brother, hence where his motives could come in. If that is the case, then yes he does have a reason to be Tobi, but this conversation between Tobi and Kakashi was one of a very few that emphasizes tension between them. Tobi speaks as if he is offended at what Kakashi is doing, or did, while Kakashi is very apprehensive and stunned, a rarity considering he is usually calm in battle.

I do feel really strongly that Kishi would do something like make Tobi someone who is recognizable and in this case, such a parallel to Naruto as the main villain. Out of all the Obito candidates, it's not very hard to distinguish Obito as the only one who would be directly similar to Naruto in habits, actions, etc. Plus, Obito's death was definitely assumed. He was always presumably dead and having him alive in this huge plottwist can ultimately give us a closure for his death. I don't believe though Tobi is the same Obito we know, either manipulated by Zetsu or even Madara (this one highly unlikely though). Zetsu has shown vast knowledge on the past and there is still that mystery as to why Tobi's body contains Zetsu's plant like substances. My guess is, that Zetsu had rescued a dying Obito, realized the potential in his sharingan, fixed him up, brought him to Madara's tablet thing and there goes your story. Having a character like Izuna as Tobi wouldn't be as dramatic for a 600th chapter, with his character not fully developed enough. Having Obito as a villain would really start the story up and have a much richer impact on the story line.

If anything, my final theory is that Obito has to be related towards Madara and Izuna someway. Having their DNA or SOMETHING that would tie everything together. If Tobi turns out to be Obito, then damn I'd be excited to see what Kishi could pull out of his ass to really give all of us a mind****. What he's doing now is giving us some sort of information that seems so obvious that we automatically rule that he wouldn't do that, but let's not forget the Yondaime being Naruto's father. SOO OBVIOUS, but half of the Naruto fandom were arguing that he wasn't and BAM, Kishi pulls this crazy back story to again further the tale. I believe that it can be Izuna, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went either way. I would say to not rule out Obito completely because if he really turns out to be Tobi, then damn we should anticipate a very very good climax ahaed of us.

Oh yeah, besides, Kishi can honestly **** with his plot anyway he wants, in the end he'll still find something to connect everyone together.

Thanks for your compliment, very much appreciated

From your first paragraph I'm a bit confused as to whether you actually read the whole thing or I didn't make myself clear My theory is that Izuna DID NOT WILLINGLY give his eyes to Madara. They were taken because Madara overused his eyes to a greater extent, and, when he realized there was no other way, he STOLE his brother's eyes just like Itachi said.

Izuna may have been a peaceful brother-loving guy who believed in his brother's power and his own, but in that moment where everything was robbed from him, everything was also shattered. His dreams, his future and his power all gone. What I was emphasizing is that it's as if Tobi (assuming he is Izuna) is speaking to Kakashi as if he were speaking to Madara.

"You're just full of lies, you promised everything but I recieved nothing and was left with a hollow reality" is something Izuna (if his eyes were taken) would most likely say to a resurrected Madara.

Tobi being Obito in your explanation doesn't make sense. What happened to his personality? Could Madara have corrupted him so much > Not only that but what about the timeline? How could Obito's body (damaged) have grown with Zetsu cells to appear as an older man when fighting Minato? (Also, why did Minato confuse Tobi for Madara; Izuna/Madara are brothers) Also, how could Obito manipulate Yagura way before his time? There are too many holes and little ground to stand on. Tobi being revealed as Obito would indeed be dramatic, but it WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE INITIALLY. There are too many things left unexplained and too many BS pulls that would have to be made by Kishi for Obito to have been Tobi all along. There are less of these with Izuna.

I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like a rich storyline to me.

Comparing the Fourth to Naruto (I remember those days very well ) required minimal, if any at all, bsing to make fact. At least in comparison to Tobi being Obito. I'm sure it would be exciting but not the kind of excitement you're thinking of.

 

[Edge]

The people that still say he isnt obito after chapter 597 just dont want tobi to be obito, but deep inside they know.. Kishi is not so great in keeping things secret, like I stated before, since the original naruto(when they were kids) I knew Minato was narutos father.. All the close ups to his face stone, the same hair, and how every time naruto said something touching he was always looking at the fourth hokages stone face

Kishi is also great at leading people on. Don't believe everything at face value.

 

[sageadvice]

"You're just full of lies, you promised everything but I recieved nothing and was left with a hollow reality"

That sounds to me more like what the father of a soldier would say to the commanding officer of that soldier when the commanding officer returns from war but the son does not, and the commanding officer promised the father of the soldier that he'd bring his son back safely.

I bet Kakashi promised Setsuna a safely returned Obito, but Setsuna got nothing back from his promise but a regretful statement from Kakashi that Obito fought bravely, yadda yadda, leaving Setsuna empty, hollow, inside, facing the reality of his own son predeceasing him.

 

[AmaniPaz]

I hope its a rival of the Sage of Six paths

 

[Edge]

"You're just full of lies, you promised everything but I recieved nothing and was left with a hollow reality"

That sounds to me more like what the father of a soldier would say to the commanding officer of that soldier when the commanding officer returns from war but the son does not, and the commanding officer promised the father of the soldier that he'd bring his son back safely.

I bet Kakashi promised Setsuna a safely returned Obito, but Setsuna got nothing back from his promise but a regretful statement from Kakashi that Obito fought bravely, yadda yadda, leaving Setsuna empty, hollow, inside, facing the reality of his own son predeceasing him.

Since when are Setsuna and Obito related?

 

[Sasuke2]

Setsuna lived during the times of Konoha's founding. Can't be Obito's father, lol

 

[Edge]

I'm guessing next chappy will end with the mask smashing. IMO we'll find out his identity by the end of the month. THEN THESE THEORIES WILL FINALLY END

 

[JWSoul]

Is it Rin!? Just the mention of the failed mission in the latest Manga! We never knew what happened to her lol

 

[sageadvice]

Setsuna lived during the times of Konoha's founding. Can't be Obito's father, lol

Actually, he was a shinobi that lived during the Second Hokage's reign. So, he'd be a little older than Jiraiya, which would account for the wrinkles under his eyes.

Why can't it be Obito's father?

Also, it doesn't say anywhere that Setsuna is Obito's dad, but it doesn't say anywhere that he isn't. And, given the age, he certainly could be.

 

[Edge]

Actually, he was a shinobi that lived during the Second Hokage's reign. So, he'd be a little older than Jiraiya, which would account for the wrinkles under his eyes.

Why can't it be Obito's father?

Also, it doesn't say anywhere that Setsuna is Obito's dad, but it doesn't say anywhere that he isn't. And, given the age, he certainly could be.

It's funny how you're basing this all on one panel on one page of a guy whose name is never mentioned in the manga.

Furthermore, this one panel was shown when Tobi was explaining how Madara left during THE FIRST HOKAGES REIGN. Mr.professional writer.

 

[robert31393]

where are you guys getting that tobi is obito's father from? this theory is the worst assumption i have heard.obito's dad was never mentioned in the whole series.kishimoto probably didnt even think of this guy to begin with.why would a great writer as kishimoto make the main antagonist of the whole series a person who was never introduced yet.that would be stupid and irresponsible of him to that.your better off believing tobi is the ramen guy.im just saying,you guys dont have to agree with me, but thats just how i feel about that theory.

 

[Dean-Winchester]

Reasons why tobi could be obito
-Kakshi gaiden in between post timeskip

Tobi was basically an introduction after the kakashi gaiden like right after sasoris death and deidaras "death"
Tobi who appeared alongside Zetsu .... said that




Reasons he could not BE obito

Age & timeline

That gunbai tobi is also fighitng with could be a memento from his brother madara.




My list of possible tobis
Hiruzens son who we have not seen ...

another theory

Tobi is more the one person.........

Tobi is a copy of the black zetsu who anyone he come in contact with he absorbs their memmories .and feelings ..... tobi could just be a premature clone of obito ..... And was created by amdara to do his bidding....


hell i dont knoww but at least i am not making a ****ing thread about fucckkk ppl

 

[Dust realese]

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Tobi's height: 175 cm
Tobi's weight: 55.9 kg

Izuna's height: 174.8 cm
Izuna's weight: 55.9 kg

Also, there is virtually no difference between them in height since we're talking in terms of centimeters.

how do you ****ing know ??????

 

[Edge]

how do you ****ing know ??????

The databook dood

 

[FizzyDrink]

the ramen guy? xd

Dude, the Ramen guy is Tobi! For sure.

 

[Rasenloki]

first off obito is too young to have fought minato and used the biju. he was to young to meet kisame and probally not even born when tobi gave nagato the rinnegan and still had his sharingan and his s/t techs

There is no way tobi recieved his sharingan at that bridge when used it to control the 4th from that other village years before obito was born. tobi never uses MS (no one knows if he has it) the s/t tech does not come from his eye. any part of his body can use the tech as we have always seen, since he first fought way back when he was silly acting.

As we all know some sharingan techs are similar amongst family. sasuke and itachi are a perfect example. in all likely hood it's one of obito's family members who holds a grudge that goes far back beyond kakshi and minato. tobi has been up to know good before obito even died or was born for that matter.

And last but not least he is a uchiha, he used a ancient uchiha tech ( that fire wall). he also knows his clan history to the tee and how to properly use the techs. susanoo and the black flames are not the be all end all answer to if your of that clan or not. this is not a theory thread, this is a stop saying it's obito post. give the writer more credit than that, he has always gave u obvious choices and then pulled a 360. i bet you tobi will go on the offense and show us more old school uchiha techs from his era. kakashi and guy may have met him having to tell obitos family about his death and answering as to why obito would give kakashi his eye. other than that there is no way obito is tobi. BTW HE HAS 2 EFFIN SHARINGANS WHILE FIGHTING KONAN DURING THE 600 BILLION BOMB JUTSU. UNLESS OBITO HAD 3 EYES THEN TOBI IS NOT USING OBITOS EYES. AND THUS FAR NO ONE HAS HAD 2 DIFFERENT EYES!

 

[kent0005]

Re: All the facts about obito/tobi. You decide.

So, this is the final time I will post a thread about the Obito/Tobi Theory.

DISPROVING TOBI IS OBITO:

1) It is believed that Obito is dead by the NarutoBase and by the Naruto Universe Characters.
2) When Tobi and the Fourth Hokage fight, Tobi is roughly the same age as in the present and has great skills. Obito would just have been a teenager.
3) Tobi's Sharingan (Obito's Sharingan technically) does not morph into a Mangekyo Sharingan when he uses the skills of that level. ( This fact goes both ways since we do not know the answer)

Your very convincing, i feel like reason why i dont want tobi to be obito cause tobi identity was so suspenseful for so long, that you don't want it to be the obvious. My very first guess was obito, when tobi first revealed his sharingan. Part of me doesn't want to accept that cause i watched for so long, that I expect too much. I want it be suspenseful and not ruin it by stating the obvious or being so simple.

By the way, i think those mentioned above can be explained, when you consider my theory posted few weeks ago,

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I dont think madara met obito cause he shortly died after awakening his rinnegan which supposedly took place when nagato was a child as madara mentions nagato when revived. So tobi likely someone who associated with madara as kishi mentions their familarity with each other. To me that narrows down to kagami, izuna, another uchiha clansmen or madara creation (split).

An alternative theory that support obito as tobi is that someone VERY knowlegable who knew madara saved obito and passed on the knowledge to him. One person that comes to mind is orchimaru. It could be that orchimaru saved obito with help of zetsu reconstructing him with harishama dna and making him stronger. Orchimaru wasnt able to reconstruct him completely like he had wrinkles or scars on his right side. Orchimaru then manipulated him made obito turn against kakashi by showing him how noone remembers him and they only remember kakashi. Also Rins death fuels obito hatred and the reason why tobi is way he is now.

 

[KillerbYo]

I think he might be Madara son. And Kagami.

He was a kid when Madara died.

He took Madaras eyes (rinnegan) and his weapon somehow.

He at some point teamed up with Danzo and Orochimaru to experiment with Hashiramas cells. Implanting them into his body might have given him the weird alter ego. or perhaps that was just an act.

He took Obitos eye after he had died. And implanted it into his eye.

After obtaining the Mangekyo sharingan perhaps by the death of Tobirama. (his mentor) He used the Kyubi.
He knew where Kushina was because he was in Anbu.

Being in Anbu also gave him access to corpses.

He implanted Madaras rinnegan into Nagato.

He gained control as Mizukage and installed the kill your classmates system. Perhaps to gain more Akatsuki members.

He told Sasuke to kill his former teammates since they were the only ones left that he thought could reveal his identity. using him as a tool.

He wants to make his dads plans come to frution. He didnt like his clan for gicing up on him and he didnt like the Senju since they were enemies.

 

[zzsdkzz]

I want it to be Izuna. Timeline suggests that it can't be Obito. But, we aren't the writers of the anime, so we can't say "you can't do this because of X!" Kishi can make up whatever story he wants to make it Obito, if he wants to. Madara could have controlled Obito-Zetsu with a technique for all we know.

The only problems I have with it being Obito is the fact a Kage was controlled by Tobi, and the nine tails was controlled as well. In the short few years after Obito's apparent death, I don't see how Kishi can explain the absolute mastering of genjutsu.

But, maybe the genjutsu wasn't mastered? When Madara took over the Nine Tails, he used and abused it vs. Hashirama. The only reason it was taken from him is because Hashi pulled off an Uber Ninja no Jutsu on Madara while using Wood Release on the nine tails. But when Tobi took over the nine tails, it was "fairly easily" sealed by Minato.

Minato? Doesn't matter, because Tobi got his ass kicked. He wasn't superior to Minato.

That being said..

Kakashi: "I come to this memorial to think about all the mistakes I've made"
Tobi: "I want a world where Heros don't have to make excuses at graves"

Kakashi: "What do you want?"
Tobi: "A perfect body."

K: "Where did you get that eye?"
T: "At the bridge, where you got to be known as the hero with the sharingan"

^ The obvious spite, there. Obito was the "elite uchiha" reject who couldn't unlock his sharingan. He finally does, and no other Uchiha are there to witness it. Instead, Kakashi gets to take Obito's sharingan and show it off. Why is Kakashi the hero with the sharingan? He was the hero because Obito allowed him to be, and Obito didn't get any of the credit.

Repeating: I don't want it to be Obito. I'm not an Obito fan boy. I'm looking at this objectively. The only thing Kishi would have to do is explain the nine tails incident and the Kage incident. Saying Madara found his near-death body and moved the boulders with Wood Release isn't a stretch of the imagination. Bringing those two together in the time line is a non factor.


Edit: As far as the "He has two sharingan" goes, it's clear that whoever Tobi is , he can replace eyeballs at almost no expenditure. Using Izanagi wasn't a big deal to him. I know that the left side of his face was "Blacked out" during the Konan fight. It's generally accepted that it was "shadowed" to preserve his identity. Let me ask you this... What does concealing half of the upper part of his face even conceal?

You can't have an idea of what a person looks like unless you have the full picture. we've seen half of it, we can easily just flip the image and get what he'd look like on the other side. See image:

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So, why is it blacked out? We've never seen the other half of Black Zetsu. Maybe that side of Tobi is Black Zetsu/Hashirama cells to fuel the Izanagi? Throwing stuff at the wall at this point, hoping it sticks.

 

[Sasuke2]

Izuna, or I cut my arm and send it to Kishi