Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions
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sageadvice
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This one panel?
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The one describing how, despite Tobirama making the Uchiha the police force of Konoha, some had thought to revolt (picture of Setsuna)?
Further, my theory is no more far-fetched than any other.
And, professional writer?
Disregard the professional writer thing xd
The fact that it's one panel from a background fodder Uchiha when you can essentially say any of those in that ONE panel could be Obito's father.
This is also ignoring the fact that we don't know if Obito even HAD a father during his shown storyline.
You got me on the Second Hokage bit, but it really makes no difference. This theory has little ground to stand on as opposed to others.
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HokageTobiramaXx
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sageadvice
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Well, you see, that's the part that gets me. How are any of the other theories any better?
i may be saying non sense but guys, take note of who is in that grave kakashi is visiting.. from naruto/597/14
may or may not be a clue..
1. if its obito, then that makes tobi not obito...
2. if it is not obito, then tobi might be obito...
3. someone close to him and obito, who might be tobi...
may or may not be a clue..
1. if its obito, then that makes tobi not obito...
2. if it is not obito, then tobi might be obito...
3. someone close to him and obito, who might be tobi...
Hmm...well for starters, they aren't fanfiction and are based on actual things we've seen in the manga. This isn't something I can really explain, have you read up on a lot of theories? How are they far-fetched?
robert31393
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tobi is not obito,end of discussion.if you guys dont like what i said then you could eat my pubic hair
The Unknown
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Well it looks like chap 597 is leading us to Obito. :sy: My original guess is Madara and I'm not a fan of this idea but after soo much of word play i'm no longer sticking to my idea xd Kakashi ang Guy, judging from the sudden changed of their moods and from their reactions, they already knew who's behind the mask. My conclusion is that, if it is Izuna there's no way that they will react like that for someone that they don't know and Kakashi is not a foolish character to be simply affected by words coming from the enemy, and if it is Kagami, well looks like he could be Obito's dad lol or else he cannot be able to affect Kakashi that much. :sy:
Well, looks like chap597 is leading us to Obito. I'm not actually a fan of this idea and my original guess is Madara but, after sooo much word play, i guess i'm not going to stick to my theory anymore. xd Kakashi and Guy sensei, judging from their reactions, i think they probably already knew who's behind the mask. My conclusion is that, if it is Izuna, there's no way that Kakashi and Guy sensei will be disturbed to the identity of someone they don't know and Kakashi sensei is not the type that will listen to the enemy's sentiments but he and Guy sensei seemed to be symphatizing on what Tobi is talking about. 
If it is Kagami, i think he should be Obito's father, lol or else he is not going to affect Kakashi sensei that much. :sy:
And for my final thought, Obito will just be so humiliated and poor little Obito if it turns out that someone just stolen his eye.*Yeah so that is my final theory, i guess i'll be Tobito retarded theorists member now. Lol
But anyway, i really hope Kishi will get over this Tobi thing in the next chapter, it's been quite a while, the mystery is not getting me excited anymore. I'll just be waiting for Naruto-Madara face off.*
If it is Kagami, i think he should be Obito's father, lol or else he is not going to affect Kakashi sensei that much. :sy:And for my final thought, Obito will just be so humiliated and poor little Obito if it turns out that someone just stolen his eye.*Yeah so that is my final theory, i guess i'll be Tobito retarded theorists member now. Lol
But anyway, i really hope Kishi will get over this Tobi thing in the next chapter, it's been quite a while, the mystery is not getting me excited anymore. I'll just be waiting for Naruto-Madara face off.*
sageadvice
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If you are theorizing something, that, by its very nature, means it isn't proven; it's fiction. We are all creating fictions that are attempting to put together the clues we've been handed.
Setsuna has the hair, the penchant for half masks, the appropriate age, is an Uchiha, has a grudge against Konoha, has a grudge against the Uchiha, the only time he's been mentioned has been by Tobi himself (who painted him as the sensible one), and he didn't go into, and we don't know, what became of him. This last factor is particularly interesting since missing nin tend to be something Konoha doesn't just let slip by without worry, so there must be something more to that story than "and he was never heard from again."
As for far-fetched, let's go with your theory. Who do you believe Tobi is and why?
Ok I am new here but I have been following Naruto since the beginning and I made an account just to say this after the latest manga.
Everyone just stop saying random stuff and think about what we know. If you do it that way you will rule almost everyone out and narrow it down.
Not Obito - Simple due to age. Stop saying its him... It cant be since he was very young and "Tobi" fought the 4th as a man. Madara(The real one) already said he died when he fought the 1st Hokage.
That for right now leaves Izuna Uchiha whom is Madara's younger brother. BUT WAIT!!!!!
He does fit the age range and most of the lore. But have we all forget he was a strong as Madara. Just go with me here...
"Tobi" has this suspense that is grabbing us that is making us believe whatever he says. HE IS A LIAR..... He has always been lying.
-Notice we now learned he has Obitio's RIGHT EYE
-His old mask only showed the right eye.
-If he had two Sharingans he would of had both holes open in his mask as he does now with the Rinnegan.
-If he was a "Uchina" he would have the more advance eye from transplanting it.
-He has shown only one Uchina move EVER and that was taking over the Fox which he did with a regular Sharingan.
-He only uses Summons and a Time Space Jutsu.
-He claims he can cast an eye tech on the Moon.... but he has claimed a lot that is now not true.
Tobi is NOT Madara....
Tobi is a liar....
Tobi posed as Madara...
Tobi only had one sharingan which was Obito's...
Tobi is as old as the 4th Hokage or Older...
Tobi is a liar....
Tobi lied about giving the Rinnegan....
Tobi lied to Sasuke....
The Nine Tails doesn't know him.....
I am really leaning to say..............
Tobi is NOT a Uchiha..... we need to be looking for others in that time frame and possibly from Konoha.
But IF he is an Uchiha the only one it could possibly be is Madara's younger brother. Which means he is purposely not using moves like Susanoo or any Genjustsu.... which I dont think is likely for the Calibur Ninja Izuna was made out to be. But I think we as fans need to start looking outside of the Uchiha Bloodline. We know that those eyes can be put in anyone. Setsuna Uchiha is a close runner up for now but I think he isnt big enough in this story.
Everyone just stop saying random stuff and think about what we know. If you do it that way you will rule almost everyone out and narrow it down.
Not Obito - Simple due to age. Stop saying its him... It cant be since he was very young and "Tobi" fought the 4th as a man. Madara(The real one) already said he died when he fought the 1st Hokage.
That for right now leaves Izuna Uchiha whom is Madara's younger brother. BUT WAIT!!!!!
He does fit the age range and most of the lore. But have we all forget he was a strong as Madara. Just go with me here...
"Tobi" has this suspense that is grabbing us that is making us believe whatever he says. HE IS A LIAR..... He has always been lying.
-Notice we now learned he has Obitio's RIGHT EYE
-His old mask only showed the right eye.
-If he had two Sharingans he would of had both holes open in his mask as he does now with the Rinnegan.
-If he was a "Uchina" he would have the more advance eye from transplanting it.
-He has shown only one Uchina move EVER and that was taking over the Fox which he did with a regular Sharingan.
-He only uses Summons and a Time Space Jutsu.
-He claims he can cast an eye tech on the Moon.... but he has claimed a lot that is now not true.
Tobi is NOT Madara....
Tobi is a liar....
Tobi posed as Madara...
Tobi only had one sharingan which was Obito's...
Tobi is as old as the 4th Hokage or Older...
Tobi is a liar....
Tobi lied about giving the Rinnegan....
Tobi lied to Sasuke....
The Nine Tails doesn't know him.....
I am really leaning to say..............
Tobi is NOT a Uchiha..... we need to be looking for others in that time frame and possibly from Konoha.
But IF he is an Uchiha the only one it could possibly be is Madara's younger brother. Which means he is purposely not using moves like Susanoo or any Genjustsu.... which I dont think is likely for the Calibur Ninja Izuna was made out to be. But I think we as fans need to start looking outside of the Uchiha Bloodline. We know that those eyes can be put in anyone. Setsuna Uchiha is a close runner up for now but I think he isnt big enough in this story.
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sageadvice
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I think, in any case, whether it is Setsuna or not, it is clear from this chapter that Kakashi made a promise to Tobi years ago about bringing Obito back alive from the war, Kakashi failed in that mission, leaving himself and Tobi feeling hollow on the inside. And while Kakashi prates on about hope, Tobi has watched Kakashi secretly beg forgiveness and express his regret to Obito's grave, since Tobi also frequents that grave. So, nothing Kakashi says about hope means a thing to Tobi. Meanwhile, Tobi took Obito's right eye as a memento of precious Obito, which is why Tobi displays that eye so prominently in his pursuit. Last, as Tobi alludes, wish as Tobi might that Obito is alive, the reality is that he is not, and no amount of wishing will change that, so with reality being so cold, Tobi seeks to put everyone into an infinite dream. Grief drives Tobi as it did Pain.
So, maybe Setsuna is not/was not Obito's father, but Tobi is definitely someone that was very close to Obito, either family or other best friend (Rin). Given the age and the appearance of Tobi as a guy, I lean to it being Obito's dad, and I lean to Setsuna being that dad as he looks like Tobi, is roughly the same age, has the same grudges, etc. Although, perhaps Rin put the eye into Setsuna...
So, maybe Setsuna is not/was not Obito's father, but Tobi is definitely someone that was very close to Obito, either family or other best friend (Rin). Given the age and the appearance of Tobi as a guy, I lean to it being Obito's dad, and I lean to Setsuna being that dad as he looks like Tobi, is roughly the same age, has the same grudges, etc. Although, perhaps Rin put the eye into Setsuna...
robert31393
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your totally right about tobi.he is a liar,he have been lying to everyone from the start.everything he says cant be taken seriously.my theory is that tobi is either the elder son of the sage or izuna.i think when izuna died,probably madara and orochimaru worked together to revive izuna using the edo tensei and then izuna probably released himself from it,that would explain tobi's unlimited chakra.people stop saying its obito.just because tobi says similar things that you think obito would say doesnt mean it is him.base your theories less on what tobi says and more on his actions.for example,tobi can control the 9 tails.do you really think a boy like obito can control a tailed beast especially when it took madara his whole life of fighting in wars to get to that level. and do you really think obito can take minato head on.
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FizzyDrink
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Ok, here I'll go through every given possibility and use logic to see whether they have a rightful claim.
Of all the choices, very few of them would actually work.
The Juubi could Tobi. It could be that the Juubi's personality or whatever took over a ninja's body or something, and is trying to revive it's body and it's power. This would coincide with Tobi's statement where he says he is a shell of his former self. Also, the fact that Kurama knows the Juubi means that even though it was split, some of what it was still survived, some of it's personality. So the Juubi is a possibility, and the manga has some possible proofs for this.
The Sage is NOT Tobi. He died. We all know that. Age took him away, and that is a fact. Also, he was a man of peace and love, and we know he believed love was the path to peace. That is not how Tobi is trying to achieve peace, so the motive isn't there either. So Tobi is not the Sage.
Tobi being Izuna is quite likely. Timeline, height, weight, and motive all line up. The only problem is how has he lived so long, and there are a variety of explanations, maybe a special new jutsu, or maybe Hashirama's cells were used to increase his life. His age would explain how old he looks and how he said he was a shell of his former self, as well, and his death could very possibly just be a lie, like Madara's death used to be.
Kagami will NOT be Tobi. He is an entirely useless character who is unimportant to the plot. No character has EVER mentioned him even once. He's a pointless character who we haven't ever heard talk, let alone fight. If he were Tobi, it would be terrible writing, and I'm gonna go off on a limb and say that Kishi doesn't want to create such a lame villain.
Tobi CANNOT BE OBITO. The biggest problem with this theory is the fact that Tobi and Madara planned the Moon's Eye Plan TOGETHER. Obito was not alive when Madara was, and even if Obito WAS alive when Madara was (which is INCREDIBLY doubtful, and most likely impossible with the rest of the timeline) there is no way he, at any point of his short 13 year old life, would have planned something like that with Madara. Madara would have chosen a more talented Uchiha, not Obito. So...Tobi is not Obito.
Fugaku is NOT Tobi. This shouldn't even be a theory. When Itachi killed his clan, we SAW him kill his father. Also, Tobi helped Itachi kill the clan, and Tobi and his father (look at their hair) look NOTHING alike. Also, Fugaku would NOT have killed his own clan, we can tell he was very prideful of his clan if he was attempting a coup for just that, pride. Finally, when Itachi approached Tobi, he said that he knew Tobi had sneaked into the Uchiha temple place to read the tablet. Fugaku, being the leader of the Uchiha, wouldn't have needed to sneak in to see it, he could do it whenever he wanted. So Fugaku CANNOT be Tobi.
Shisui cannot be Tobi either because he's even younger than Obito is (see my Obito reasoning)! So the timeline works even less. Also, his motive wouldn't fit, he willingly gave himself up to save the Leaf, Tobi hated the Leaf. Also, Tobi's hair at the time was not anywhere like Shisui's hair at the time.
I personally don't know enough about the Setsuna theory, so I won't try to judge it. I have read that he's the leader of the original Uchiha revolt or something? I don't know. But if that's the case, the motive lines up so for now, I won't count him out.
Madara's son? We don't even know if he HAS a son. He probably would have mentioned it at some time. Either way, I suppose the timeline and motive COULD match up, but either way this doesn't seem so likely, seeing as it would be very random and would necessitate an entirely new backstory. But it's possible I suppose.
Obito's father now? We don't know WHO he is, whether he's important or not, whether he EXISTS, or anything like that. Also, there is no motive that doesn't require somebody creating some fantastic fan fiction. This would be WAY too random, and not good writing. At the very least Madara's son had a motive that could line up. Obito's father on the other hand? Nothing on him, so it's NOT him, for the same reason it's not Kagami.
Any form of the original Madara is not very probable. This is mostly because the whole idea of having 2 REAL Madara's seems unlikely. The biggest problem with this whole thing is that Edo Madara doesn't entirely trust that Tobi will do what he is supposed to do. If Tobi were Madara, then they should have the exact same motives, and Madara wouldn't doubt him. So any form of this isn't very possible. The fact that Tobi seemed to have Zetsu parts could mean that he's just someone who has experimented on himself with Zetsu, not that it's an advanced Madara-Zetsu clone. Thus I would say Tobi is NOT some form of the original Madara.
Zetsu Madara I mentioned above...
The Elder Son of the Sage is a possibility, but is improbable considering how old he would have to be. However, the timeline would work (if he somehow lived that long), and also the motive. So this is a stretch, but it could be possible.
Zetsu is not Tobi. Tobi bosses Zetsu around, and is clearly the leader. Zetsu also doesn't talk to Tobi like they are one. Zetsu is most likely an experiment of Tobi's.
I don't even understand the "first edo tensei" possibility, but Tobi is not an edo. If he were, when he lost his arms he would have been all flakey, and he wouldn't have wasted an eye on Izanagi.
Tobi is not Tobirama. The names match up. That's it. Considering Tobirama was revived by Oro's edo tensei, we KNOW that he was dead, which means we KNOW that he can't be Tobi.
Tobi being a Senju is not very possible at all. It would make sense along with his whole having Senju DNA thing, but considering what the Senju stood for, it's not very possible. Also considering that Tobi is almost definitely an Uchiha, seeing as how he said he was, he wears their garbs, has their eyes, and used a flame jutsu with the name "Uchiha" in it (meaning that it was probably a secret Uchiha technique), he is most likely not Senju.
Tobi being an Uzumaki is unlikely for the same reason as Tobi being a Senju is unlikely, with the added bonus that Tobi never said he had Uzumaki blood, so that works against him being an Uzumaki as well. Also, his hair isn't red...
Tobi being no one we know goes along with many of the other theories (the copycat theory, the "other Uchiha" theory, the Senju theory, the Uzumaki theory, the "from Madara's time" theory, and the "someone other than these" theory). Of these, the most likely is the "from Madara's time" theory combined with the "other Uchiha" theory and the "copycat" theory. However, these would all require a whole new backstory, and a ton of detail linking him to everybody while still somehow making it so we haven't heard of him. This is very unlikely, so him not being someone we know is very improbable. He is VERY likely a character we have heard of or seen before.
The ramen guy is Tobi
So I'll let you all draw your own conclusions from all this. Overall, the possible ones are: The Juubi (unlikely), Izuna, Setsuna? (unlikely), Madara's son (unlikely), the Elder Son (unlikely), and someone we've never heard of (unlikely). Tobi IS the Ramen guy.
Edit: 1000th post! It was a good one too, thankfully.
Of all the choices, very few of them would actually work.
The Juubi could Tobi. It could be that the Juubi's personality or whatever took over a ninja's body or something, and is trying to revive it's body and it's power. This would coincide with Tobi's statement where he says he is a shell of his former self. Also, the fact that Kurama knows the Juubi means that even though it was split, some of what it was still survived, some of it's personality. So the Juubi is a possibility, and the manga has some possible proofs for this.
The Sage is NOT Tobi. He died. We all know that. Age took him away, and that is a fact. Also, he was a man of peace and love, and we know he believed love was the path to peace. That is not how Tobi is trying to achieve peace, so the motive isn't there either. So Tobi is not the Sage.
Tobi being Izuna is quite likely. Timeline, height, weight, and motive all line up. The only problem is how has he lived so long, and there are a variety of explanations, maybe a special new jutsu, or maybe Hashirama's cells were used to increase his life. His age would explain how old he looks and how he said he was a shell of his former self, as well, and his death could very possibly just be a lie, like Madara's death used to be.
Kagami will NOT be Tobi. He is an entirely useless character who is unimportant to the plot. No character has EVER mentioned him even once. He's a pointless character who we haven't ever heard talk, let alone fight. If he were Tobi, it would be terrible writing, and I'm gonna go off on a limb and say that Kishi doesn't want to create such a lame villain.
Tobi CANNOT BE OBITO. The biggest problem with this theory is the fact that Tobi and Madara planned the Moon's Eye Plan TOGETHER. Obito was not alive when Madara was, and even if Obito WAS alive when Madara was (which is INCREDIBLY doubtful, and most likely impossible with the rest of the timeline) there is no way he, at any point of his short 13 year old life, would have planned something like that with Madara. Madara would have chosen a more talented Uchiha, not Obito. So...Tobi is not Obito.
Fugaku is NOT Tobi. This shouldn't even be a theory. When Itachi killed his clan, we SAW him kill his father. Also, Tobi helped Itachi kill the clan, and Tobi and his father (look at their hair) look NOTHING alike. Also, Fugaku would NOT have killed his own clan, we can tell he was very prideful of his clan if he was attempting a coup for just that, pride. Finally, when Itachi approached Tobi, he said that he knew Tobi had sneaked into the Uchiha temple place to read the tablet. Fugaku, being the leader of the Uchiha, wouldn't have needed to sneak in to see it, he could do it whenever he wanted. So Fugaku CANNOT be Tobi.
Shisui cannot be Tobi either because he's even younger than Obito is (see my Obito reasoning)! So the timeline works even less. Also, his motive wouldn't fit, he willingly gave himself up to save the Leaf, Tobi hated the Leaf. Also, Tobi's hair at the time was not anywhere like Shisui's hair at the time.
I personally don't know enough about the Setsuna theory, so I won't try to judge it. I have read that he's the leader of the original Uchiha revolt or something? I don't know. But if that's the case, the motive lines up so for now, I won't count him out.
Madara's son? We don't even know if he HAS a son. He probably would have mentioned it at some time. Either way, I suppose the timeline and motive COULD match up, but either way this doesn't seem so likely, seeing as it would be very random and would necessitate an entirely new backstory. But it's possible I suppose.
Obito's father now? We don't know WHO he is, whether he's important or not, whether he EXISTS, or anything like that. Also, there is no motive that doesn't require somebody creating some fantastic fan fiction. This would be WAY too random, and not good writing. At the very least Madara's son had a motive that could line up. Obito's father on the other hand? Nothing on him, so it's NOT him, for the same reason it's not Kagami.
Any form of the original Madara is not very probable. This is mostly because the whole idea of having 2 REAL Madara's seems unlikely. The biggest problem with this whole thing is that Edo Madara doesn't entirely trust that Tobi will do what he is supposed to do. If Tobi were Madara, then they should have the exact same motives, and Madara wouldn't doubt him. So any form of this isn't very possible. The fact that Tobi seemed to have Zetsu parts could mean that he's just someone who has experimented on himself with Zetsu, not that it's an advanced Madara-Zetsu clone. Thus I would say Tobi is NOT some form of the original Madara.
Zetsu Madara I mentioned above...
The Elder Son of the Sage is a possibility, but is improbable considering how old he would have to be. However, the timeline would work (if he somehow lived that long), and also the motive. So this is a stretch, but it could be possible.
Zetsu is not Tobi. Tobi bosses Zetsu around, and is clearly the leader. Zetsu also doesn't talk to Tobi like they are one. Zetsu is most likely an experiment of Tobi's.
I don't even understand the "first edo tensei" possibility, but Tobi is not an edo. If he were, when he lost his arms he would have been all flakey, and he wouldn't have wasted an eye on Izanagi.
Tobi is not Tobirama. The names match up. That's it. Considering Tobirama was revived by Oro's edo tensei, we KNOW that he was dead, which means we KNOW that he can't be Tobi.
Tobi being a Senju is not very possible at all. It would make sense along with his whole having Senju DNA thing, but considering what the Senju stood for, it's not very possible. Also considering that Tobi is almost definitely an Uchiha, seeing as how he said he was, he wears their garbs, has their eyes, and used a flame jutsu with the name "Uchiha" in it (meaning that it was probably a secret Uchiha technique), he is most likely not Senju.
Tobi being an Uzumaki is unlikely for the same reason as Tobi being a Senju is unlikely, with the added bonus that Tobi never said he had Uzumaki blood, so that works against him being an Uzumaki as well. Also, his hair isn't red...
Tobi being no one we know goes along with many of the other theories (the copycat theory, the "other Uchiha" theory, the Senju theory, the Uzumaki theory, the "from Madara's time" theory, and the "someone other than these" theory). Of these, the most likely is the "from Madara's time" theory combined with the "other Uchiha" theory and the "copycat" theory. However, these would all require a whole new backstory, and a ton of detail linking him to everybody while still somehow making it so we haven't heard of him. This is very unlikely, so him not being someone we know is very improbable. He is VERY likely a character we have heard of or seen before.
The ramen guy is Tobi
So I'll let you all draw your own conclusions from all this. Overall, the possible ones are: The Juubi (unlikely), Izuna, Setsuna? (unlikely), Madara's son (unlikely), the Elder Son (unlikely), and someone we've never heard of (unlikely). Tobi IS the Ramen guy.
Edit: 1000th post! It was a good one too, thankfully.
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Setsuna is too fodder. He must be Izuna, there's nobody else. When Kisame saw his face, he said he was Madara. Since Izuna and Madara are brothers, they look almost the same. He probably used Hashirama cells to live longer. Also, Tobi knows Madara(said by Kishimoto), but Madara was long dead when Obito was born, so they couldn't have met.
I don't want it to be Obito, but as said many times before Kishi is making us think this way. Something that could possibly relate:
Sannin - Orochimaru defected
Ame Orphans - Nagato defected
Team Minato - Obito possibly defected
Team Kakashi - Sasuke defected
Just find it funny how most of these teams of 3 are connected in multiple ways and mirror each other in a way.
Sannin - Orochimaru defected
Ame Orphans - Nagato defected
Team Minato - Obito possibly defected
Team Kakashi - Sasuke defected
Just find it funny how most of these teams of 3 are connected in multiple ways and mirror each other in a way.
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