All the facts about obito/tobi. You decide.
So, this is the final time I will post a thread about the Obito/Tobi Theory.
I have decided to compile as much information I can into proving the Theory. This will include all of the old proofs for the theory. I am also going to include some of my opinion around the end, but I will separate them from the facts so I won't have facts and opinions mixing. I may have some statements with the facts though, so I'm sorry for that. I am not going to include the links to the pages and chapters of the information disproving the theory, but I will include the general information. If somebody decides to go and find them for themselves then by all means. Here we go:
PROVING TOBI IS OBITO:
1) We never fully see Obito Uchiha die. Yes, rocks fall on him, he loses his left eye and he is coughing out blood. This is the hardest thing to get by considering roughly 50% of the NarutoBase population considers him dead. But, people have been brought back to life, people have come back from psychological break downs (i.e. Kakashi and Sasuke from Tsukoyomi) Is it so hard to believe that someone survived a rockfall?
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2) Tobi is around the right age that Obito would be at this time of the manga. (Yes, I address the fact that he is roughly the same age as his fight with the Fourth Hokage. I just do it in the Disproving Tobi section) Tobi being Izuna would not make sense because this would put Izuna at a very old age. Yes, he could have used a body enhancement or body swap jutsu, but Orochimaru is the only known ninja that can do this at this time.
3) Tobi has Obito's sharing an. This is a big one. I am going to name off some things that most people might not have realized about this development in the story. The fact that Kakashi's reaction to finding out Tobi had Obito's sharingan changed him. I have a couple of questions: First, why doesn't Tobi's sharingan change when he into its Mangekyo Sharingan form when he uses the same space/time jutsu that Kakashi uses? If you said that it's because it's implanted then your wrong because clearly Kakashi's does. I don't know the answer either but I know that implantation is not the reason.
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4) Kakashi and his team, when they were younger, had the mission to destroy the KANNABI BRIDGE. On that day, which Obito didn't get to make it too, Kakashi became known as "The Hero with The Sharingan". Tobi stated that he got his sharingan at the fight of the KANNABI BRIDGE. This means that he knows Kakashi in some way, shape, or form. I don't know how to continue with my theory on this point with facts alone, the rest is speculation.
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5) Many people forget what Tobi USED to be like. Before his fight with Sasuke with Deidara at his side. Tobi was a different person then, full of joy, laughter, jokes, and many other things. After Deidara's "masterpiece", the next time we see Tobi he is proclaiming that he is Madara Uchiha. He went from laughing and joking "fresh" member of the Akatsuki to the Mastermind, Leader and strongest Uchiha in existence in a matter of days. (Was it days? I'm not quite sure on that one.) How Tobi used to be matched up with what we saw of Obito. (Don't forget, we only know him through 6 chapters. Besides that, the rest of him is a mystery.)
DISPROVING TOBI IS OBITO:
1) It is believed that Obito is dead by the NarutoBase and by the Naruto Universe Characters.
2) When Tobi and the Fourth Hokage fight, Tobi is roughly the same age as in the present and has great skills. Obito would just have been a teenager.
3) Tobi's Sharingan (Obito's Sharingan technically) does not morph into a Mangekyo Sharingan when he uses the skills of that level. ( This fact goes both ways since we do not know the answer)
STATEMENTS:
1) Why would Kishimoto show us Kakashi's backstory and introduce us to two characters that were unknown before, and never to be seen again, if there wasn't a reason? We learned of Obito, literally around 4 months before we were introduced to Tobi.
2) When was the last time something in Naruto happened that NOBODY predicted? Or when it was obvious and it happened anyways? I'll answer it: A LOT.
a) Itachi being good rather than evil. The evidence supported it and yet people were ridiculed for defending it until people discovered the truth.
b) Back in the beginning, Long ago, many people thought that Sasuke would not leave the village and become bad. Now look what happened.
c) Granny Tsunade coming back from the coma.
d) Naruto NOT killing Pain.
e) Izanami existing somewhere in the universe.
Get the picture?
3) The best place to hide something is in the open. The answer is so obvious that we are forced not to accept it and instead try to read between the lines. Instead of making things more complicated than they already are, why not just try and believe the obvious? It's proved true before. (Granted, it has also proved false.)
4) Honestly, who else could it be? Yes. Izuna and Obito are the only plausible options here guys. And Izuna being Tobi is much more far-fetched than Obito being Tobi. (Saying anything else is being in denial. Im not saying don't believe that Izuna is Tobi, but that it is much more of a long shot for Izuna than Obito.) I don't believe that Tobi will be revealed to be anyone else than someone we know. And to be honest, a Zetsu clone is probably the most probable answer ( Come on guys lets face it)
FINAL WORDS/ MY OPINION:
My theory on this is that Obito is Tobi. But not entirely. Obito was found and trained by Madara Uchiha. He undertook the name Tobi to conceal his identity and wore the mask ( rather for disfigurement for to hide his identity). Madara wore a mask as well. Madara was the person that attacked the Fourth Hokage. When Madara later died, Tobi/Obito undertook his name to continue to spread fear and domination. Since he trained under Madara, he could mimic many of his jutsu but was still no match for Madara.
That is my theory mixed with many facts. This is my personal theory and it has developed over time. Some people will criticize me and some people will agree with me. But the one thing we can all agree on is: The true identity of Tobi is yet to be revealed. My opinion is no better or worse than yours. I'd like to hear your opinion if you can share it without being derogatory. Thanks for reading
Let the discussion begin.
(P.S. I'm sure that I left out many facts for both sides. If you have a fact, please tell and I will make an Edit and add it in here. Thank You!)
So, this is the final time I will post a thread about the Obito/Tobi Theory.
I have decided to compile as much information I can into proving the Theory. This will include all of the old proofs for the theory. I am also going to include some of my opinion around the end, but I will separate them from the facts so I won't have facts and opinions mixing. I may have some statements with the facts though, so I'm sorry for that. I am not going to include the links to the pages and chapters of the information disproving the theory, but I will include the general information. If somebody decides to go and find them for themselves then by all means. Here we go:
PROVING TOBI IS OBITO:
1) We never fully see Obito Uchiha die. Yes, rocks fall on him, he loses his left eye and he is coughing out blood. This is the hardest thing to get by considering roughly 50% of the NarutoBase population considers him dead. But, people have been brought back to life, people have come back from psychological break downs (i.e. Kakashi and Sasuke from Tsukoyomi) Is it so hard to believe that someone survived a rockfall?
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2) Tobi is around the right age that Obito would be at this time of the manga. (Yes, I address the fact that he is roughly the same age as his fight with the Fourth Hokage. I just do it in the Disproving Tobi section) Tobi being Izuna would not make sense because this would put Izuna at a very old age. Yes, he could have used a body enhancement or body swap jutsu, but Orochimaru is the only known ninja that can do this at this time.
3) Tobi has Obito's sharing an. This is a big one. I am going to name off some things that most people might not have realized about this development in the story. The fact that Kakashi's reaction to finding out Tobi had Obito's sharingan changed him. I have a couple of questions: First, why doesn't Tobi's sharingan change when he into its Mangekyo Sharingan form when he uses the same space/time jutsu that Kakashi uses? If you said that it's because it's implanted then your wrong because clearly Kakashi's does. I don't know the answer either but I know that implantation is not the reason.
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4) Kakashi and his team, when they were younger, had the mission to destroy the KANNABI BRIDGE. On that day, which Obito didn't get to make it too, Kakashi became known as "The Hero with The Sharingan". Tobi stated that he got his sharingan at the fight of the KANNABI BRIDGE. This means that he knows Kakashi in some way, shape, or form. I don't know how to continue with my theory on this point with facts alone, the rest is speculation.
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5) Many people forget what Tobi USED to be like. Before his fight with Sasuke with Deidara at his side. Tobi was a different person then, full of joy, laughter, jokes, and many other things. After Deidara's "masterpiece", the next time we see Tobi he is proclaiming that he is Madara Uchiha. He went from laughing and joking "fresh" member of the Akatsuki to the Mastermind, Leader and strongest Uchiha in existence in a matter of days. (Was it days? I'm not quite sure on that one.) How Tobi used to be matched up with what we saw of Obito. (Don't forget, we only know him through 6 chapters. Besides that, the rest of him is a mystery.)
DISPROVING TOBI IS OBITO:
1) It is believed that Obito is dead by the NarutoBase and by the Naruto Universe Characters.
2) When Tobi and the Fourth Hokage fight, Tobi is roughly the same age as in the present and has great skills. Obito would just have been a teenager.
3) Tobi's Sharingan (Obito's Sharingan technically) does not morph into a Mangekyo Sharingan when he uses the skills of that level. ( This fact goes both ways since we do not know the answer)
STATEMENTS:
1) Why would Kishimoto show us Kakashi's backstory and introduce us to two characters that were unknown before, and never to be seen again, if there wasn't a reason? We learned of Obito, literally around 4 months before we were introduced to Tobi.
2) When was the last time something in Naruto happened that NOBODY predicted? Or when it was obvious and it happened anyways? I'll answer it: A LOT.
a) Itachi being good rather than evil. The evidence supported it and yet people were ridiculed for defending it until people discovered the truth.
b) Back in the beginning, Long ago, many people thought that Sasuke would not leave the village and become bad. Now look what happened.
c) Granny Tsunade coming back from the coma.
d) Naruto NOT killing Pain.
e) Izanami existing somewhere in the universe.
Get the picture?
3) The best place to hide something is in the open. The answer is so obvious that we are forced not to accept it and instead try to read between the lines. Instead of making things more complicated than they already are, why not just try and believe the obvious? It's proved true before. (Granted, it has also proved false.)
4) Honestly, who else could it be? Yes. Izuna and Obito are the only plausible options here guys. And Izuna being Tobi is much more far-fetched than Obito being Tobi. (Saying anything else is being in denial. Im not saying don't believe that Izuna is Tobi, but that it is much more of a long shot for Izuna than Obito.) I don't believe that Tobi will be revealed to be anyone else than someone we know. And to be honest, a Zetsu clone is probably the most probable answer ( Come on guys lets face it)
FINAL WORDS/ MY OPINION:
My theory on this is that Obito is Tobi. But not entirely. Obito was found and trained by Madara Uchiha. He undertook the name Tobi to conceal his identity and wore the mask ( rather for disfigurement for to hide his identity). Madara wore a mask as well. Madara was the person that attacked the Fourth Hokage. When Madara later died, Tobi/Obito undertook his name to continue to spread fear and domination. Since he trained under Madara, he could mimic many of his jutsu but was still no match for Madara.
That is my theory mixed with many facts. This is my personal theory and it has developed over time. Some people will criticize me and some people will agree with me. But the one thing we can all agree on is: The true identity of Tobi is yet to be revealed. My opinion is no better or worse than yours. I'd like to hear your opinion if you can share it without being derogatory. Thanks for reading
Let the discussion begin.(P.S. I'm sure that I left out many facts for both sides. If you have a fact, please tell and I will make an Edit and add it in here. Thank You!)
