Overloaded Sensei/Sempai System

[Migualon J.J.]

None of the sensei decline you and say no. None of them ever did. They tell you that they are full with students and have no more space for teaching. There is a huge difference between those two.

Also huge groups don't work. For example: One person in the group (a group of 10 people let's say) is inactive out of whatever reason is inactive. The training cannot go on only because of that one person thus leaving the other people to suffer. Understand why this doesn't work?

i say just "no" xd

I do,but this is exactly the reason people start quitting RP.Me,for example.What good will they be when they become a sensei when their is no one to train?I also hope you understand what I'm saying.

no one to train? O_O seriously? get real, i believe there are more than 4000 people wanting training, you're saying all of them won't want training from new senseis?

 

[-Cobalt-]

i say just "no" xd

Two things:
1.You are special xd.
2.You're not helping here xd xd

 

[aradmehr]

i say just "no" xd



no one to train? O_O seriously? get real, i believe there are more than 4000 people wanting training, you're saying all of them won't want training from new senseis?

I am seeing the truth,by that time most people will be disappointed in RP and when they get a spot,sure,they will accept but not with the pleasure they once had.

 

[McRazor]

I do,but this is exactly the reason people start quitting RP.Me,for example.What good will they be when they become a sensei when their is no one to train?I also hope you understand what I'm saying.

People come and go. Those with guts will stay and get what they waited for. Patience always pays of. When you look at it, it's some sort of a test to see if you're even worth being trained (don't get me wrong on this one, lol).

Especially now, you can't be expecting them to train and be active when it's time for vacations. Summer is the stagnating period of NB.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

I am seeing the truth,by that time most people will be disappointed in RP and when they get a spot,sure,they will accept but not with the pleasure they once had.

please tell me you don't mean your words seriously, not with pleasure they once had? i wouldn't train person who doesn't enjoy RP

most people from around 4000? O_O more than 2000?

Two things:
1.You are that awesome that you can do that xd.
2.You're not helping here xd xd

1) i know i am UBER awesome xd
2)

 

[aradmehr]

People come and go. Those with guts will stay and get what they waited for. Patience always pays of. When you look at it, it's some sort of a test to see if you're even worth being trained (don't get me wrong on this one, lol).

Especially now, you can't be expecting them to train and be active when it's time for vacations. Summer is the stagnating period of NB.

please tell me you don't mean your words seriously, not with pleasure they once had? i wouldn't train person who doesn't enjoy RP

most people from around 4000? O_O more than 2000?

I understand what you and Mig are trying to say,the truth is,both of the ways have their flaws and the flaw of each system,is the others strength,that is why both must be put to work at the same time.

 

[Dribbles]

Also 'McRazor'

I hope you know you deserve an infraction for using innapropriate language in a mature discussion? What was the need to bring immature language into the debate. ​

 

[Erzo]

A suggestion is that maybe we could make a legit academy for the RP system, special classes with a sensei in it that teach a basic element to a whole group of people at once. This would burn down students very fast and spots would open ALOT more quicker then the old system. I know im newer then alot of you, but i have a pretty firm grasp of the RP system and i don't see how necessary it is to go through all this trouble when theres a better way! ​

Group training is not always a good idea since some people may not even understand the jutsu, yet they won't speak up since they don't want to hold up everyone else. Another issue would be if someone doesn't reply as often will hold the rest of the group up which isn't really fair.

Do you have suggestion that will fix this problem?
Mine is that Sensei and senpais should focus more on people without training,like they train someone that has already mastered the basic five or an element or two while they say no to people with barley any training.I don't mean to offend or anything but they need to train the people depending on their current training rather than the current first come is first serve training system imo.

If senpais and senseis focus on newer members then the members who have almost mastered everything will have to wait longer which in the long term may make the situation a lot worse since they are the people who will be the future senseis.

Despite saying this, I understand your point, and I actually take newer students who've learned nothing as compared to someone who has 1/2 elements done already, but I'm just stating it can't always be done like that.

 

[-Cobalt-]

Also 'McRazor'

I hope you know you deserve an infraction for using innapropriate language in a mature discussion? What was the need to bring immature language into the debate. ​

Don't you change the subject young man!!

No but seriously, you need to be patient if you want to train. If you can't wait then quit the RP. This is a forum based RP and it is slow. People are not often active and it can be a pain. Also this is the wrong section for a thread like this.

 

[McRazor]

I understand what you and Mig are trying to say,the truth is,both of the ways have their flaws and the flaw of each system,is the others strength,that is why both must be put to work at the same time.

There have been numerous attempts on how to make the training system better. People came up with all kinds of ideas and whatnots and nothing is better than the current one. Believe it or not, it has its flaws but each other has even more.

Also 'McRazor'

I hope you know you deserve an infraction for using innapropriate language in a mature discussion? What was the need to bring immature language into the debate. ​

Immature language? Infraction? I have no clue what you're talking about. If you think that I should get it, feel free to report me. Be my guest.

Also, this thread is about the overload of the sensei and sempai system, if I recall correctly.

 

[aradmehr]

Group training is not always a good idea since some people may not even understand the jutsu, yet they won't speak up since they don't want to hold up everyone else. Another issue would be if someone doesn't reply as often will hold the rest of the group up which isn't really fair.



If senpais and senseis focus on newer members then the members who have almost mastered everything will have to wait longer which in the long term may make the situation a lot worse since they are the people who will be the future senseis.

Despite saying this, I understand your point, and I actually take newer students who've learned nothing as compared to someone who has 1/2 elements done already, but I'm just stating it can't always be done like that.

That is why i say my suggestion and the current training system must be combined to cover each other's flaws.
And about what you said,Mc,each system alone always has a flaw and that's why it never gets any better.And that's why they must be combined.By combining bitter and sweet,you can't complain about it being too sweet nor too bitter.

 

[McRazor]

That is why i say my suggestion and the current training system must be combined to cover each other's flaws.
And about what you said,Mc,each system alone always has a flaw and that's why it never gets any better.And that's why they must be combined.

Yeah, and that combined system will breed a new flaw.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

That is why i say my suggestion and the current training system must be combined to cover each other's flaws.
And about what you said,Mc,each system alone always has a flaw and that's why it never gets any better.And that's why they must be combined.

how can you combine 2 complete opposites? O_O

 

[Erzo]

That is why i say my suggestion and the current training system must be combined to cover each other's flaws.
And about what you said,Mc,each system alone always has a flaw and that's why it never gets any better.And that's why they must be combined.

I don't understand, how do they combine?

Senpais and senseis teach people who ask when they're free, so it's based on luck and timing. (Imo) This excludes personal students of course.

 

[Dribbles]

The system isn't just the only problem here, it's also some sensei are actually leaving out special conditions and making people work hard JUST to post an application, just to recieve 95% of the time a 'no.' Im pretty sure sensei arn't allowed to leave out these special conditions, most of the time personal reasons ( And the Head Sensei clearly said that personal reasons arn't a reason to deny someone training ) ​

 

[aradmehr]

Yeah, and that combined system will breed a new flaw.

You cannot always say there will be a flaw and yet,there isn't a flawless,but at least it can get better.

how can you combine 2 complete opposites? O_O

Like combining sugar with bitter coffee,half of the senseis train using one system,the rest using the other.

I don't understand, how do they combine?

Senpais and senseis teach people who ask when they're free, so it's based on luck and timing. (Imo) This excludes personal students of course.

What i said to mig.

 

[Erzo]

The system isn't just the only problem here, it's also some sensei are actually leaving out special conditions and making people work hard JUST to post an application, just to recieve 95% of the time a 'no.' Im pretty sure sensei arn't allowed to leave out these special conditions, most of the time personal reasons ( And the Head Sensei clearly said that personal reasons arn't a reason to deny someone training ) ​

To be honest, I think you've received a 'no' from a couple of senseis/senpais and decided to generalise to every other sensei.

 

[McRazor]

The system isn't just the only problem here, it's also some sensei are actually leaving out special conditions and making people work hard JUST to post an application, just to recieve 95% of the time a 'no.' Im pretty sure sensei arn't allowed to leave out these special conditions, most of the time personal reasons ( And the Head Sensei clearly said that personal reasons arn't a reason to deny someone training ) ​

Mind showing an example of an "special requirement" application thread?

 

[Erzo]

You cannot always say there will be a flaw and yet,there isn't a flawless,but at least it can get better.

Like combining sugar with bitter coffee,half of the senseis train using one system,the rest using the other.

What i said to mig.

How do we determine, which senseis AND senpais do what?

You're just making everything more complicated than it already is.

 

[aradmehr]

How do we determine, which senseis AND senpais do what?

You're just making everything more complicated than it already is.

You don't get it,organizing them won't be hard,as there aren't many senseis on NB,in fact,there is a list and it isn't too long either.I'm sure you've read it.