Proof that Second Tsuchikage > Fourth Hokage (Actual Explanation Inside)

[Amantius]

Second Tsuchikage vs Fourth Hokage​

This is the 3rd installment in the pitting Kages against eachother this is a thread an exception to pitting a relatively unknown Kage against a very known one as both Tsuchikages we have info on are very known by most of the NB members.

This is a thread showing why the Second Tsuchikage is arguably stronger than the Fourth Hokage.

Mu was able to kill the Second Mizukage (arguably the greatest Mizukage in history) which is a massive feat and so can rival Minato in the amount of hype he has





Why the Second Tsuchikage would win against the Fourth Hokage?

1) Elemental Versatility and Infinite Battle Tactics
Due to the Second Tsuchikage possessing several elemental affinities, he is able to use them to their utmost effectiveness rather than simply using it because of the lack of choices available to them. Long range Katon (Fire) techniques allow the Second Tsuchikage to use super heated balls of flames in volleys from a distance to overwhelm the Fourth Hokage from the skies. The Second Tsuchikage can also use his wind techniques from medium range (just out of range, of the Flying Thunder God Technique) to blow away Minato in his attempts to close the gap.

At close range he can use Earth Techniques for close combat, strength boosting techniques and etc. Earth's versatility as a element allows it to be used both offensively and defensively which gives him the ability to quickly adapt to quick paced close combat.

His three natural affinities also allow him to have the elemental advantage over the Wind Element (his fire overwhelms it), his water element (his Earth element dissipates it), his Earth element protects against the wind element
and his Wind element is a natural insulator which is strong against Lightning.


2) Range of the Battle
The Second Tsuchikage's ability to fly can be used to gain a distance advantage over the Fourth Hokage as he specializes in close combat (Taijutsu, Rasengan, FTG Technique) which are all rendered useless at that range. He can also take advantage of the range by using long range volleys of Katon (Fire) techniques and maybe Fuuton (Wind) techniques to be used as a alternative.


3) Ability to Warp the Terrain
Mu could use his Dust Release to devastate the landscape from above leaving many craters in the ground causing trouble for Minato to more around effectively. This could hamper his efforts in dodging volleys of Katon attacks from the Second Tsuchikage. Large Scale Earth techniques can also be used in conjunction with the half destructed landscape to trap/crush Minato and warp the terrain to intercept Minato's movements with Earth technique related traps.


4) Ability to Evade and React to Flying Thunder God Technique
Furthermore, when these detection capabilities are employed in conjunction with his quick reflexes, he can avoid techniques that even other Kage find difficult to evade, as demonstrated when only he instinctively managed to elude the clutches of Gaara's sand hands and avoid Naruto's attack from behind.


The Second Tsuchikage's Elemental Advantage with Dust Release (his Kekkei Tota) and his Elemental affinities

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Strengthened by Wind techniques as his Katon (fire) techniques are powered up by increasing their speed and primarily the air feeding the flames.

Immunity to Water techniques as Muu's Earth Affinity has a elemental advantage over water and could be used defensively as a massive wall to because dissipate the force of water rendering the technique less effective.

Immunity to Earth Techniques as the only solid structure element it is at the mercy of Dust release as it is physically able to be disintegrated at a molecular level.

Immunity to lightning techniques as his wind release acts as a natural insulator which stops the Lightning traveling very far and making it impossible to hit Muu unless used a very close range.

Immunity to all physical elements and pseudo elements e.g. Sand and Mud as they like Earth can be physical disintegrated.

If you check the above spoiler tag you will see that whatever element(s) Minato may possess would easily be countered by Mu's Jinton or natural elemental affinities (except if had the fire element). Even then his own Fire element fuelled by that of his wind element would easily overwhelm any fire element attacks possessed by Minato.

Alternative Arguements on why Minato could win​

Other Tactics that could be used by Mu

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The Second Tsuchikage can use a combination of his two abilities, splitting and becoming invisible as a last resort attack. It can only be used in the event of Minato landing a successful hit which would do deadly damage.

First he could split and make a duplicate after a potentially lethal subsequently reducing his attack power by half.

Then use his absolute invisibility, to remove all traces of the 2nd body which he now inhabits, to let Minato get his guard down as he would think the battle just ended.

Finally, the Second Tsuchikage has a chance at a devastating sneak attack against Minato which could even out the levels of damage done to each party or even be potentially lethal.

What do you guys think who would win, the Second Tsuchikage or the Fourth Hokage?


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I don't know about this. The way i see it, if muu can avoid being mark, then he as a changes. Once's he is mark its kinda check mate, and knowing Minato the first in counter close up he is going to mark you. ( we have seen him do this to kid Kakashi, 2 times. He has counters for most of muu attack as well, and we have yet to see all of his seals.

 

[softkings]

Thank you, not sure how your scan supports anything on this thread though, since Tsunade was pumping her ridiculous chakra into him.

Yeah Minato can use his Space Time Barrier but he needs time to absorbe the jutsu and to redirect it that leaves him wide open for another Junton

 

[Negative Knight]

I don't know about this. The way i see it, if muu can avoid being mark, then he as a changes. Once's he is mark its kinda check mate, and knowing Minato the first in counter close up he is going to mark you. ( we have seen him do this to kid Kakashi, 2 times. He has counters for most of muu attack as well, and we have yet to see all of his seals.

What do Minato's seals do again i've heard from them alot but i've completely forgotten their use

 

[poundz29]

I feel like a jerk for how short my response will be compared to the compilation of evidence that you gave us. This is a really good question by the way. They both contrast eachother perfectly. While both of them are considered genius level shinobi, every other aspect of their fighting ability contrasts. I mean the second uses the keike tota, and we dont even know of Minatos genkai. This is how i think the battle would go (Ill make one for both scenarios)

Minato wins:

I think minato would let mu make the first move considering he would be more likely to assess the situation before attack

Muu uses his invisibility immediately (unaware of minatos ground sensor)

Minato detects muu but doesnt give away this knowledge

muu uses kekkei tota (having sensed minato great amount of chakra he wants to finish him off quickly)

Minato dodges but doesnt ftg yet

Minato now uses taijutsu to try and force some more jutsu out of muu

muu turns invisible and flies now

muu splits and uses combined kekkei tota

minato ftg and destroys one muu with rasengan while simultaneously throwing an ftg kunai at the other, he avoids the kunai then minato ftgs and follows through with the same rasengan

thats how minato wins (but anything can happen really, Minato's intelligence and ingenuity is limitless and unforeseeable which makes my predictions useless.)

Muu wins:
muu flies

minato has a harder time sensing his full chakra because he is no longer grounded

muu immediatley splits sensing minatos power

(his split is in close contact with muu soas to not give away the clone)

muu descends on minato

uses particle split

minato ftg (throws kunai)

muu notices the seal and has clone follow

minato transports when the clone unleashes another particle split

muu wins

obviously this is all speculation and im sure i left out some techs

 

[htmwall]

a naruto clone squashed him like a bug in 5 seconds!:shrug:and yes minato can fly using ftg so muu's a$$ will be whooped in like 2 seconds or less:flaw:minato is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster than naruto's km clone and they are using the same tech(he even has more than naruto) how in the hell he will lose to muu?:sy:

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Truthfully, while I commend the great deal of effort you put into this, I would have to completely disagree. Muu's attack technique shown on screen is Dust Releaseetachment of Primitive World Technique which Minato can ST barrier away and possibly turn back at him. He has to become visible to attack with Dust Release so its not much of a factor here as Minato would spot him immediately. If he tries to stay on the ground and attack Minato, he still loses as Minato can sense and locate him by placing a finger of the ground. As for Minato's attacks, Naruto was able to physically jump high enough to reach Muu and attack him with Rasengan, Minato should be able to do the same, if Muu goes higher he can throw kunai upward and teleport to it to reach Muu's height.

 

[LR3W]

nice explanation +rep

 

[PainX05]

Ok, if u remeber what naruto did against the edo Mu, Minato could do something similar to that. While they are both in the air, minato can throw a space-time kunai towards mu and then instantly teleport to him and hit him with a rasengan.

reply if u think Mu can avoid getting beaten by this attack.

 

[These Eyes Are Special]

Very nice post...i feel that Minato's intelligence would be the deciding factor...Not taking anything away from Muu...

 

[Ginn Uchiha]

Its all quite logical and well put.. I mean minato can teleport to safety at any given moment, however that is merely fleeing. For a surprise factor, amazing tracking skills and high level jutsu IMO minato loses this.

 

[Gold Lightning]

What is this, Naruto made Mu look like ply wood. And what technique was is that Naruto used? Oh yeah it was the rasengan of course, created by the you know who.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Minato warps to a thrown kunai that was aimed at Muu, then dust release can destroy the kunai and Minato
Thats one way for Muu to win

Muu can also counter Minatos summonings with his invisibility or dust release
Muu chances of winning is 7/10

Minato ftg and intelligence would make this a good battle

 

[JakeLife510]

Stop talking about Naruto taking out Muu alone it took the combined efforts of 3 kage level fighters.
Including the Main character, his apprentice who knows how to fight Muu and the leader of the Army. Who all had to work together to "defeat" Muu even though Muu fooled all of them into thinking he was "defeated".
He can do the same against Minato
Fake his death and split, turning invisible. Minato's guard will be down, leaving an invisible Muu with an openinG to kill Minato

 

[ZeeshanAsNaruto]

Woww thaat was gr88 explanation' I can guarantee it u wud hve taken a lot' of effort for thaat +rep for ur effort nd the gr88 work by u

 

[New knight48]

no matter how quick muu's reflexes or sensory capabilities are he cannot react to ftg and succesfully dodge it in time... ftg is instant. i highly doubt he can hit minato with one of those dust techinques. and im also pretty sure minato is an even better strategist than muu... the invisibility could be quite a problem... so i think it can go either way... but in the end im sure minato.. the fourth hokage...can create some sort of strategy to win or atleast get a stalemate... and warping the terrain wont have any effect whats so ever... im going with minato in this one... you have alot of good points though... gj

 

[Tomyika]

Good threat but i think thaht Minta woud win. Why ? Very easy to explain he can counter all the advanteges of Mu with the sealing ,the summoning and the FTG

 

[chickmagnet]

after what ive seen in strength yes the tsuchikage is >minato but the dangerous factors of minato is his intelligence , and his killer speed and mind you he might have a seal for everything seeing how quick he freed the fox from tobi.

 

[SasukexNeji]

Minato stands no chance. Muu is the most underrated character in this series. Plain and simple. Until we find out the "truth' about Tobirama that is...

 

[Negative Knight]

Thanks for the compliments guys +Rep to each of all the essay replies

 

[Allimzbbe]

wow your argument is lethal--> yeah i agree with 2nd Tsuchikage whipping minato's arse but it can also be argued that minato had not lived for a long time and his time he had developed many techniques