Proof that Second Tsuchikage > Fourth Hokage (Actual Explanation Inside)

[fugikai]

I like that you have put much thought into this so i say you are most likely right, But in saying that think of the advantages muu has on a normal level. 1. Age and experience 2. Elemental affinity, I think that if the fourth had llived for even a few years more you would not be so certain of this fight.
There are many things not really said about Minato and many techs which we do not see, Do you think he became the fourth without more than the flying thunder god, Space time barrier and rasengan?? I don't know much about his other abilities but he had an affinity for seals and being a true prodigy, sorry this has gone on for a bit. . . In my opinion its not as clear a match as it seems and noone really has seen the fourth have to unleash hell so to speak!

 

[Vandenre1ch]

I got your message. I really enjoy these threads they are very interesting. I dont know why muu is so popular even though he looks like a frikin mummy. I still think minato would win...but just ..barely.

 

[ChidoriChimp]

As a kage politically, Id say the 4th, but in a fight it would be tough, but Id say the foruth hokage too.

 

[Klad]

Sure minato
Minato is yellow flesh of konoha and is the strongest shinobi.He can dodge all atacks of oonoki-sama and minato could kill him.That's my opinion
Hope you like it

 

[toxicb2k]

Well it looks like a tough battle...but Minato is the type of guy who wins most of his battles by thinking through them and not just by strength or ability...i think Minato might take this one by use of brain power

 

[Sasuke ninja way]

Yeah agree with you 100 percent+rep Second Tsuchikage>Fourth Hokage mu has a big advantage over minato his dust release is very dangerous bro and his invisibility gives him another dangerous advantage let's face it guys minato can't hit someone he can't see.

 

[soulreaper11]

minato since he has youth and > speed

 

[KaedaLimbu]

ok, get a fresh head n read this aight. cuz m doin tht 2.

#- Muu killed 2nd mizukage bt so did 2nd mizukage kill Muu. its true.

Dust Release: Detachment of the Primitive World Technique, powerful jutsu can hit only frm long range though, cz i hav noticed the time taken to make it n i belive minato's fist will b on his cheek if he tries frm a close distance.

Splitting Ability - Great Denfence bt half of his power goes with it lik u mentiond on carrying tht boulder witout any problemo part.

Flying and Levitating - i dnt know if he can do tht (could u get me some kinda evidence so i can belive it, cuz i mite hav read it n forgotten abt it bt i still dnt belive it) so if he cant fly, simple, ur work back fired at u, Minato wins.

Chakra sensory- good one

Invisibility- yeah he is bt u mentiond Sensory Finger Technique of minato, u see he can sense anyone who is in a way, directly or indirectly touching the ground. so he can sense Muu. and Gaara sensed him the same way, any thing his sand touches Gaara gets alert.

Great reflexes, i agree.

and so with the elements technique bt come on, he can deflect all of minato's? he can, bt wat m sayin is minato is not stupid and Muu obviously wont be able to counter every bit of his attacks, he's the yellow flash, his not jus fast with FTG, he's fast at everything for christ sake. So Muu might get surprises from time to time, bt he sure can deflect all of Minato's elemental Jusus bt m nt sure if he's fast enough.

Intelligence - Agreed

Immense Physical Strength - i got a problem here, Its nt Muu's physical strenght. he uses a dust technique tht makes the object to be light weighted, like the way the current tsuchikage carried tht turtle island. this technique is used on the user itself to be able to fly. . . . lol , so i guess Muu can fly huh

(please dnt compare Gaara and Stupid Naruto with Minato.)

ok so 1st i shall tell u, the fastest man then and the fastest man now couldnt catch up with Minato's speed. So i dnt know how Muu is getting a hit with his long range Jutsus, he shouldnt dare come in close combat cause thts when Minato usually overkills.

Muu can only defeat Minato by flying i guess and if he does tht "Ability to Warp the Terrain."

bt Minato's full of surprises, Muu cant forever keep distance, i mean, when he is always flying, i bet Minato'll calculate the possibilities and find a way to close up with Muu (which it really rare chances) and when he does, i bet he will focus on planting the mark, rather thn takin him out cuz once he is markd, there r plenty of chances to take him out, bt i bet one is all he needs.
And this strategy Minato can use by "Effective use of Summoning Technique."

So i think Minato's gona take this one too.
Actually, as i was reading ur thread i really felt Muu could win but this is my view so it cant really be true. mayb Muu can win or not.

But ur Thread is awesome man. thanx for inviting me to view my knowledge.
Applause to you, Negative Knight.

 

[Em3plum]

his invisibility gives him another dangerous advantage let's face it guys minato can't hit someone he can't see.

minato was also a sage and sage mode gives the ability to sense emotions as when naruto detected kisame in samhada so mu's invisibility is a mute point he could propably summon ma and pa and use their jitsu's we know he was a sage because when naruto fought nagato their is a moment when ma and pa look at naruto and see jiraya and minato dont know who would win but if minato marks mu like he did tobi its over cause he can teleport to him instantaneous

 

[spade3dg]

i like minato and im becoming a fan of mu. But i think minato takes this. dust release takes a split second to destroy objects but ftg is instant teleportation. mu could destroy the kunai if he can find them but minato could place the seal anywhere. also his invisiblity doesnt seem to work with his other techs at the same time.

 

[Uzumaki Kurama kun]

Minato would be quicker at sizing up the situation and coming up with a plan like he did against Tobi. That is why, eventhough Mu is better on paper, Minato would win... or at least not be beaten by Mu.

 

[sravan]

nice theory muu takes this if minato cant mark him..
if he can mark him with kunai then no one can save him from minato.......

 

[Myogen]

I disagree, Minato is a tier above Mu, and it seems to me that he'd probably turn out to be a poor match up for Mu. Minato has been shown to react to enemies that are not within his line of sight (see him reacting to Tobi's attack him from behind or sensing Mahiro and his KB in Gaiden), so I don't think invisibility would work on him. Also it seems likely that Minato could summon Shima who'd be able to detect Mu with Zessenbaku. Jinton can be dodge or deflected with space-time barrier. Mu having zero knowledge of the flying thunder god technique is even more susceptible to being flash blitz'd when he becomes visible to use a Jinton attack or before he even gets a chance to become invisible.

 

[maiavarepz]

minato is a thinker. of course many other ninja (all of them ;D ) think as well, but not as good as minato does. i mean to be a hokage at such a young age is quite the turnaround, but then to be put up against someone who has most probably gained more experience is quite a jaw drop.


now minato could easily just throw sealed kunai everywhere, and then use them to his advantage, but then there is mu's flying, and just the same, he could throw the kunai in the air. really, it is a cat and mouse game, minato being the cat, and mu being the mouse.

reason being, minato is overall trying to place a seal on muu, where as muu is trying to get further away in order to get in a good place where he will hit minato no matter where minato teleports to.

to me, it is kinda unfair to pair the living with the dead. but if this was to be an all out fight, the earth would be scarred, which would later most probably be called, "the Valley of the Minato got is ass kicked"

muu would probably die later, due to exhaustion of his chakra, and how his body holds up. which could say something about minato, meaning that if minato could push muu to the point of death after the fight, that would be really terrifying.

anyways, heres my 2cent piece nice thread btw

 

[doradora]

Minato is faster and more intelligent, but i believe Onoki is more powerful with his Dust jutsu

 

[Negative Knight]

Lol yeah i agree with both of you, though Minato has a equal chance of beating Muu

I started off thinking what ways can Muu win ? That's how deadly FTG can be

 

[Priyam Bhowmick]

Minato is extremely fast nd smart. Muu might nt be able to get him in his particle style unless he catches him offguard. Also can he get enough time to perform his splitting tec. against Minato's speed. Muu may win if he avoids Minato's detection nd catches him offguard.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Minato is extremely fast nd smart.

doesnt mean he sees someone with no chakra and no real presence.

disagree, Minato is a tier above Mu, and it seems to me that he'd probably turn out to be a poor match up for Mu. Minato has been shown to react to enemies that are not within his line of sight (

muu is a sensor and reacted to naruto in mid air when naruto was behind him

when he becomes visible to use a Jinton attack

no proof he needs to be visible

minato was also a sage

since when? oh right you made that up

can dodge all atacks of oonoki-sama and minato could kill him.That's

how do you dodge someone who you arent aware is there?

so dont give him the chakra stamina advantage

minato has huge chakra levels]\

he can catch Muu there's no doubting that

and then what? muu still dodges even if minatos kunais a fraction away from him as hes a sensor. minato isnt always teleporting. onyl when theres kunais nearby.

Marking him.

how will he know hes there?

But invisibility isn't really a factor since Minato can sense Muu

wheres it stated minato is a touch based sensor of gaaras calibre?

Mu won't land one hit/jutsu on the guy I'm afraid.

minato cant find him and muus a sensor with reflexes surpassing that of third raikage

what makes you think Muu is going to be fast enough?. Muu can't even hold his own against Madara.

escaped gaaras sand and third raikage couldnt, dodged kcm naruto, fought evenly with onoki. and how do you know muu was in his prime vs madara? he cant have been. he seems to have died at his strongest and madara called them both kids

but you fail to mention that Minato has elemental affinities too. It was mentioned by kakashi that jonins usually have at least 2 elements

hes never been seen using any. but dust is 3 elemental affinities merged.

Minato can summon Fukasaku and Shima

i was told he cant

Not only are they able to use genjutsu but Shima, one of the sage toad can use Fighting Tongue Bind which can sense enemies even if it's invisible thus nullifying Mu's invisibility.

muu doesnt use usual chameleon invisibility. he erases his chakra completely

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Take note that Mu can only attack if he's not in invisible mode

and yet told onoki he was gonna die without gaaras help while turning back invisible again. only gaara can make muu visible and only he can defeat him with help.

Minato's reflexes is second to none as demonstrated with his fight with Tobi and A

as i pointed out mus not slow. hes a sensor.

FTG is instant. No speed involve

FTG is dimensional manipulation. like tobis version isnt instant, neither is minatos. his actual reactions and thought processes are still human, not instant.

Naruto was able to hit Mu with a rasengan and Minato's FTG is faster than that

only minatos weak rasengan wont do anything.

Since he needs to turn visible

he has no presence. he can activate chakra, sure but never did it say he must become visible and never did it say him using his chakra reveals his presence.

Itachi was sick when he fought Sasuke and still beat him up bad...

itachi died and sasuke didnt so sasukes stamina ended up superior, and sasuek wasnt exactly that strong back then

Minato, too can sense Muu in his invisible form and his immense speed is enough to kill Mu within moments.

wrong on both counts

he could have teleported his own dust element technique on Mu...First suck it and then just BOOOM

hes sucking up inanimate chakra. its not a real dust attack till muu wants it to be

no matter how quick muu's reflexes or sensory capabilities are he cannot react to ftg and succesfully dodge it in time... ftg is instant.

unless the kunais in muus head, FTG wont actually take minato near enough to muu. therell be an interval between minato arriving near him and attacking

What is this, Naruto made Mu look like ply wood. And what technique was is that Naruto used? Oh yeah it was the rasengan of course, created by the you know who

planet rasengan, probably the techniques ultimate evolution barring FRS. minatos version and narutos version being compared is like comparing a 1980s personal computer to a 2012 laptop

Ok, if u remeber what naruto did against the edo Mu, Minato could do something similar to that.

how does minato even see him? he doesnt have the emotions thing naruto did

as Minato can sense and locate him by placing a finger of the ground

doesnt sense chakra or tobirama would have sensed that the 20 shinobis were too strong even for him and known hed die. it senses movement and possibly smell.

naruto clone squashed him like a bug in 5 seconds

muu faked him and played him for a fool with splitting tech.

minato is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster than naruto's km clone and they are using the same tech(he even has more than naruto) how in the hell he will lose to muu

speeds irrelevant. minato is not the equal of onoki gaara and naruto combined and he isnt a sensor capable of finding muu.

Minato detects mu

impossible

Muu cant use dust release whilst invisible. He'll have to be visible to attack.

muu can constantly hide his presence. he was becoming invisible again while declaring onokis demise was certain without gaaras help. gaaras the only one who can find him other than naruto via killing intent sensing. muus main method of attacking onoki was in fact dust.

Itachi (edo) defeated edo Nagato..

so fodders defeated third riakage? thats who sealed him after all. itachi would have been a goner without naruto and bee

Again if minato should start using his sealing techniques...ow will muu counter that?...

splitting or flying

If it's so easy to reappear and go for the kill after he splits in half, then at least one of the 5 kages should be dead by now due to edo Muu's other half coming out of nowhere and one-shoting one of them

the reason he didnt do that is the power of planet rasengan, and gaara/naruto knowing where he is when muu tried to help madara

Tobirama's water jutsu overwhelmed Hiruzen's earth jutsu,

no it didnt

goes invisible, minato uses sensory and FTG Rasengan!

even if finger sensing finds muu, muu wont just stand there in the same spot. his own sensing detects when he himself has been found and will not just stay still. in the time it takes minato to put his finger on the ground and look up, hes already been atomised

He uses genjutsu, he summons Gambunta and or am and pa to help with that.

they get atomised if they stand still breaking minato out

If they ever fought, i think Muu would under-estimate Minato and his speed

muus never underestimated anyone in the time we knew him

Minato throws a kunai in the dust and Mu can't see

HES A SENSOR OF COURSE HE CAN

 

[cjayz 007]

Am not so sure cos we jst saw only edo tsuchikage, judging from his elemental manipulation i am sure most of his jutsus require loads of chakra like the kage after him, compared to the fourth with also high level jutsus with minimal chakra drain in comparism, and the fourth hokage was considered a genius, bringing his analytical skills into consideration he is likely to find a suitable counter for the tsuchikage as he did tobi... just saying though... it could end both ways... intelligence my friend could play the deciding factor aside speed and choice of jutsus.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

dont compare old onokis stamina to prime muu.