hiruzens hype-lets start out with hiruzens hype. he was stated to be the strongest kage, the professor, and mastered all of konohas jutsu at one point.
hashiramas hype- now for hashiramas hype. hashiramas strength was stated to be a myth, a fairy tail like the sage of six paths. he was also called the strongest shinobi. it was also stated that hashiramas might was so vast that no shinobi from the current era could stand up to his power. that means that hashirama>every other shinobi except edo madara.
explaining the hype-we will get back to hashiramas hype. hiruzen was stated to be the strongest kage. nobody at the time from when hiruzen was getting all his fame(which was his prime) knew about or believed in hashiramas strength. hashiramas strength was considered a myth.
now lets define myth: a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
so the people that tried to tell the future generations about hashiramas strength were dismissed because nobody thought a shinobi could be so strong. this is supported by the manga because hashiramas strength was considered a myth, a fairy tail like rikudo sennin. does everyone believe in the sage. nope.
Feats- now lets get to their feats. hiruzen is severely outclassed in this department. hashirama defeated ems madara with the kyuubi. ems madara by himself is one of the strongest characters in the narutoverse. combine this with the fact that he had the kyuubi by his side which is the strongest tailed beast, then you can see why hashiramas strength was considered a myth. hiruzen had to pull out reaper death seal on a nerfed edo hashirama and edo tobirama who were stated by orochimaru to be toying with hiruzen. while hiruzen very well may be much stronger in his prime, his hype and feats put him nowhere near hashiramas level.
databooks- databooks have been wrong on multiple occasions like saying orochimaru invented edo tensei and saying naruto and sakura were equals. the info in these can be faulty and it is outdated. how long has it been since kishi has released a databook? not recently.
conclusion- people from the future generations that heard of hashiramas strength considered his strength a myth. people believed that hiuzen was the strongest didnt believe in hashiramas strength. they reasoned that hiruzen was the strongest because that was what they saw and hiruzen>hashirama is what seemed reasonable to them because hashiramas strength seemed to exaggerated.
hashirama>hiruzen
I agree with the above. ^ Sure Kishi might make a mistake or two sometimes or changes his mind on things but Kishi's the boss Whatever facts he states are the truth.
Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
Hopefully a few people understand the importance of what I am about to say.
The manga and databook both say "He was said to be the strongest hokage."
Neither of them say it definitively that he is or is not the strongest, they both say that his reputation was that of the strongest hokage. That is what they say, and I'm guessing since they say that, it is probably what they mean as well.
He might have had an awesome reputation, and he might actually be the strongest hokage, but honestly the only person who could come close to verifying that is Onoki, as he has lived through all of the Hokage's reigns thus far.
But anyway I really hope people start to understand the difference. All that was said was that he had the reputation as being the strongest Hokage. And even that comes from a source that has no grounds to speak of, as he didn't even know anything about Kakashi or any of the other jounin when the series first began.
Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
databook claims oro created edo tensei - wrong
databook claims hiruzen is strongest hokage and would beat hashirama - wrong
amat hot as the sun - wrong
kimimaro is omnipotent - wrong
iron sand world order has no defence against it - wrong
itachi is cold and evil - wrong
minato desires to fight jiraiya - wrong
blood mist wasnt because of tobi - wrong
tobi is madara - wrong
Yeah, Hashirama was compared to the SO6P but Hiruzen beat him.
Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
I never really read data book and always believed that Hashirama > Hiruzen. But if Kishi says Hiruzen is strongest Hokage who are we to argue? If he says Tenten > So6p, we have to agree...because he was the one who said So6p was the strongest shinobi ever as well ~_~
~ got what I mean?
I never really read data book and always believed that Hashirama > Hiruzen. But if Kishi says Hiruzen is strongest Hokage who are we to argue? If he says Tenten > So6p, we have to agree...because he was the one who said So6p was the strongest shinobi ever as well ~_~
~ got what I mean?
I never really read data book and always believed that Hashirama > Hiruzen. But if Kishi says Hiruzen is strongest Hokage who are we to argue? If he says Tenten > So6p, we have to agree...because he was the one who said So6p was the strongest shinobi ever as well ~_~
~ got what I mean?
Hopefully a few people understand the importance of what I am about to say.
The manga and databook both say "He was said to be the strongest hokage."
Neither of them say it definitively that he is or is not the strongest, they both say that his reputation was that of the strongest hokage. That is what they say, and I'm guessing since they say that, it is probably what they mean as well.
He might have had an awesome reputation, and he might actually be the strongest hokage, but honestly the only person who could come close to verifying that is Onoki, as he has lived through all of the Hokage's reigns thus far.
But anyway I really hope people start to understand the difference. All that was said was that he had the reputation as being the strongest Hokage. And even that comes from a source that has no grounds to speak of, as he didn't even know anything about Kakashi or any of the other jounin when the series first began.
Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
I also think that Hiruzen>Hashirama because this has been said three times between the databooks and the manga, if it was only once I'd be weary of believing it, but three times really seems like Kishi wanted Hiruzen to be established as the strongest Hokage. He could have easily changed his mind a few weeks ago by stating that "Hashirama was the strongest Hokage" via Dan, but he did not state that
The only other proof I can add on that hasn't been said already is the generation of Kage's Hiruzen was part of leads me to believe that he was in fact the strongest Hokage. That's because:
-It was stated that the Third Raikage was the strongest Raikage
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-It was stated that the Third Kazekage was the strongest Kazekage
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-IMO, I think that prime Onoki>Mu, because he learned from Mu and lived longer than him to gain more experience, and with that Onoki is the most powerful Tsuchikage
-And it's already been stated multiple times how Hiruzen was the most powerful Hokage
Since Kishi had pretty much established that the Third generation of Kage's was in fact the strongest, I'm willing to say that Hiruzen is included in that list even though it hasn't said that "he's the strongest" for about 5-7 years now
(although I will note that we know nothing yet of the Third Mizukage, but I'm guessing that has something to do with Madara and Tobi and Kishi will reveal that later)
I also think that Hiruzen>Hashirama because this has been said three times between the databooks and the manga, if it was only once I'd be weary of believing it, but three times really seems like Kishi wanted Hiruzen to be established as the strongest Hokage. He could have easily changed his mind a few weeks ago by stating that "Hashirama was the strongest Hokage" via Dan, but he did not state that
The only other proof I can add on that hasn't been said already is the generation of Kage's Hiruzen was part of leads me to believe that he was in fact the strongest Hokage. That's because:
-It was stated that the Third Raikage was the strongest Raikage
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-It was stated that the Third Kazekage was the strongest Kazekage
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-IMO, I think that prime Onoki>Mu, because he learned from Mu and lived longer than him to gain more experience, and with that Onoki is the most powerful Tsuchikage
-And it's already been stated multiple times how Hiruzen was the most powerful Hokage
Since Kishi had pretty much established that the Third generation of Kage's was in fact the strongest, I'm willing to say that Hiruzen is included in that list even though it hasn't said that "he's the strongest" for about 5-7 years now
(although I will note that we know nothing yet of the Third Mizukage, but I'm guessing that has something to do with Madara and Tobi and Kishi will reveal that later)
the databook and manga both say hiruzen WAS SAID TO BE the strongest hokage, hint hint was said to be doesnt meen he actually is. its giving him reputation not the actually title
the databook and manga both say hiruzen WAS SAID TO BE the strongest hokage, hint hint was said to be doesnt meen he actually is. its giving him reputation not the actually title
Whatever facts he states are the truth. 
