Hiruzen

[LegendaryAce]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

He wouldn't need to use all 1k, Since he has so many, he can easily assess the situation and use one of his 1k that is best for that situation.

Same goes for Kakashi, Just because he has 1k and doesn't/can't spam them, Doesn't make the feat any less impressive.

the only problem i have with hiruzen is ...manga doesnt state ever he could beat hashirama or tobirama...noone knows what would happend if they fought besides kishi people overrate him so much...more than minato sometimes

 

[devilking123]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

its his ****ing series so yeah it goes by what he says

 

[Exaar]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

the only problem i have with hiruzen is ...manga doesnt state ever he could beat hashirama or tobirama...noone knows what would happend if they fought besides kishi people overrate him so much...more than minato sometimes

Manga doesn't state that Tenten can't beat Madara, Whats your Point?.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Manga doesn't state that Tenten can't beat Madara, Whats your Point?.

ijs still people can argue tenten beat madara...though there is no proof that he will win or she will win ...as far as i am concerned i go by the fight ive seen...and its like saying sasuke >itachi ...even though itachi was already dying...tbh itachi could have killed sasuke ....thats my point...main char and quite alot of people win with plot no jutsu...hiruzens win over 3 people was a plot ...to make the hokage position look like omg...thats so cool and to keep people reading...if the didnt change power levels and kept repeating same stuff people would have left by now...dont get me wrong hiruzen deserves all his feats and hype but people overrate him and i dont think he can beat hashirama but thats my opinion...and thats your opinion if u say hiruzen beats hashirama ..until they fight in the manga 1v1

 

[Exaar]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

ijs still people can argue tenten beat madara...though there is no proof that he will win or she will win ...as far as i am concerned i go by the fight ive seen...and its like saying sasuke >itachi ...even though itachi was already dying...tbh itachi could have killed sasuke ....thats my point...main char and quite alot of people win with plot no jutsu...hiruzens win over 3 people was a plot ...to make the hokage position look like omg...thats so cool and to keep people reading...if the didnt change power levels and kept repeating same stuff people would have left by now...dont get me wrong hiruzen deserves all his feats and hype but people overrate him and i dont think he can beat hashirama but thats my opinion...and thats your opinion if u say hiruzen beats hashirama ..until they fight in the manga 1v1

You say as far as your concerned you go by fight's that you've seen.

Yet you Think Hashirama would win, When he havn't seen him fight Outside of being Oro's Edo tensei Puppet, And the only time we've seen him fight, he Lost to a Old hiruzen.

:shrug:

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

You say as far as your concerned you go by fight's that you've seen.

Yet you Think Hashirama would win, When he havn't seen him fight Outside of being Oro's Edo tensei Puppet, And the only time we've seen him fight, he Lost to a Old hiruzen.

:shrug:

but he beat madara who had ems ...the last phase of a base sharingan and the strongest tailed beast (10tails not being counted) at the same time. what i heard about hiruzen from the manga isnt enough to say he will beat either of them though.

 

[themalaysia2222]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Naruto is one of manga in which fans will never stop debating about characters that was dead 5years ago and also characters that was already dead before the series start.

OT : Kishi might did not plan to make Hashirama hella strong like in Part2. Nothing is flawless dude. It's not like I say that 3rd isn't strong,he is. It is just we don't get the chance to see how strong he is exactly. You can choose whether to accept that the databook is flawed or Hiruzen is strong with your own theory.

Oh who actually care about the real fact? even some Minato's fanboys would never give up to prove that Minato > Madara.

 

[Exaar]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

but he beat madara who had ems ...the last phase of a base sharingan and the strongest tailed beast (10tails not being counted) at the same time. what i heard about hiruzen from the manga isnt enough to say he will beat either of them though.

No Buts, You said you go off fights you have seen, You can't say that and make exceptions for one person.

Let me use this as an example.

Hashirama > Madara + Kyuubi.

Madara + kyuubi > Prime hiruzen.

That doesn't mean hashirama > Hiruzen.

Hashirama is perfect for fighting Bijuu thanks to his Wood style, Plus he Knows Madara very well.

While Hiruzen hasn't got anyway to supress Bijuu chakra's, Unless he has a powerful enough Genjutsu to controll them, Plus hiruzen doesn't know Madara aswell as hashirama did.

It was a Stupid move for Madara to summon the Kyuubi, We know that Controlling the Kyuubi or any Bijuu takes up the users chakra, so madara effectively weakened himself by wasting chakra on using the kyuubi when he knows full well of hashirama's powers.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

No Buts, You said you go off fights you have seen, You can't say that and make exceptions for one person.

Let me use this as an example.

Hashirama > Madara + Kyuubi.

Madara + kyuubi > Prime hiruzen.

That doesn't mean hashirama > Hiruzen.

Hashirama is perfect for fighting Bijuu thanks to his Wood style, Plus he Knows Madara very well.

While Hiruzen hasn't got anyway to supress Bijuu chakra's, Unless he has a powerful enough Genjutsu to controll them, Plus hiruzen doesn't know Madara aswell as hashirama did.

It was a Stupid move for Madara to summon the Kyuubi, We know that Controlling the Kyuubi or any Bijuu takes up the users chakra, so madara effectively weakened himself by wasting chakra on using the kyuubi when he knows full well of hashirama's powers.

Though hashirama trained hiruzen too so he should know hiruzens fighting style and a few weaknesses ..though same applies to hiruzen..doesnt mean either will block every move made by the other...thats why i say draw till proven otherwise ..the only exception is so6p

 

[Exaar]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Though hashirama trained hiruzen too so he should know hiruzens fighting style and a few weaknesses ..though same applies to hiruzen..doesnt mean either will block every move made by the other...thats why i say draw till proven otherwise ..the only exception is so6p

I think hashirama was long dead befor hiruzen hit his Prime.

Hashirama knows of a Youngish hiruzen, not prime hiruzens Strengths/weaknesses.

I've already posted my views of Hirzens Feats/Hype (on page11), no one has yet countered it with any Hype/Feats done by hashirama.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

I think hashirama was long dead befor hiruzen hit his Prime.

Hashirama knows of a Youngish hiruzen, not prime hiruzens Strengths/weaknesses.

I've already posted my views of Hirzens Feats/Hype (on page11), no one has yet countered it with any Hype/Feats done by hashirama.

though dont you agree hiruzen is abit overrated and overhyped.. i see people sometime over hyping hashi only time i comment is when people start underrating him because of that oro fight ...i never quite understood how hiruzen can beat him i tried even thinking about it the best i came outt with he came close but hiruzen still lost...he got more chakra + can heal almost instantly if not that makes him hard to kill

ill try counter some 2morrow if i answer now will make alot of mistakes 4am

 

[cabby007]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

hiruzen was called the god of shinobi more than once. Kabuto, who had been to all the countries, called hiruzen the strongest even in his old age. Hiruzen, who held his own against 3 immensely powerful shinobi when he was said to be doing miserable compared to his prime. Hashiram was stated to be the strongest of his era. Hiruzen was said to be strongest in history, and history>era

 

[Cartera]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

**** the reason he keep doing naruto is because he likes it not because he wants YOU to read it.
his story his rule, make your own..

 

[Ldude]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage until proven otherwise.

lol no. it doesn't work that way. sorry to disappoint.

 

[Bijuu13]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

... Ive still been waiting for somebody to give me ONE technique ( other then death reaper seal ) that can kill Hashirama . JUST ONE

And im enjoying the fact that people are using my points to debate against this Hiruzen crap lol

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Evidence that Kishi has changed his mind or something? Hard evidence? LMAO. You got a transcript of that convo you and kishi had, i'd love to see it XD

Not trying to troll here but you know that Kishimoto changes his mind. How could he not? How about that promise to write about Kakashi?
"“Next year, I want to write about Kakashi’s past. But given that I’ve been saying that for two years running, I will probably continue not writing about it, eh?”

 

[6pathofpain]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Don't argue with Kishi.

kishi ****ed up...

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

hiruzen = so6p with all the overrating he gets

 

[~Anubis~]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

i just want to say that.

Shodaime was the strongest ninja because of his wood release and able to tame all nine tails . Sandaime has knowledge of all the tech of konoha so both of them were strong but on their era. old generations are surpassed by the new generations.

 

[true enigma]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Since kishi wrote it whatever he says is true.... is true. Simple.