Hiruzen

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

You fool, that's not a character quote though.

characters qoutes are basically kishi words anyway. it doesnt make a difference. i proved him wrong

 

[Bigfoot34501]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

all kages are said to be the strongest? sure....

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right here it saids the strongest past raikage. it doesnt say was said to be does it?

and i did read the rest.

like i said before, hiruzen was said to be the strongest hokage doesnt meen he actually is.

Alright the Third Raikage>First and Second Raikage, you just agreed with that

But what your implying is that Third Raikage (A's dad)<A, and I disagree with you on that. The Third Raikage is clearly better than A

Do you disagree?

 

[Midday]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

characters qoutes are basically kishi words anyway. it doesnt make a difference. i proved him wrong

So whatever a character said is right? Just like when Sasuke called Itachi perfect recently

 

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Alright the Third Raikage>First and Second Raikage, you just agreed with that

But what your implying is that Third Raikage (A's dad)<A, and I disagree with you on that. The Third Raikage is clearly better than A

Do you disagree?

lmfao ...:sy:

did you see what you just wrote you contradicted yourself so badly.

you exactly say this

''But what your implying is that Third Raikage (A's dad)<A, and I disagree with you on that''

you basically just said you think A> A's dad

then you say this

The Third Raikage is clearly better than A

make up your mind

:sy:

 

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

So whatever a character said is right? Just like when Sasuke called Itachi perfect recently

rofl dont be a smart ass obviously not in all cases. plus sasuke is a physco anyway. :noc:

 

[Bigfoot34501]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

lmfao ...:sy:

did you see what you just wrote you contradicted yourself so badly.

you exactly say this

''But what your implying is that Third Raikage (A's dad)<A, and I disagree with you on that''

you basically just said you think A> A's dad

then you say this

The Third Raikage is clearly better than A

make up your mind

:sy:

:flaw:

Ok I'm going to say this again, the quote I just quoted you on, this one:

all kages are said to be the strongest? sure....

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right here it saids the strongest past raikage. it doesnt say was said to be does it?

IMPLIED that A>Third Raikage, YOU JUST IMPLIED THAT, NOT ME

I'M saying that Third Raikage>A

Is the Third Raikage better in your opinion or is A, make up your mind?

 

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

:flaw:

Ok I'm going to say this again, the quote I just quoted you on, this one:

IMPLIED that A>Third Raikage, YOU JUST IMPLIED THAT, NOT ME

I'M saying that Third Raikage>A

Is the Third Raikage better in your opinion or is A, make up your mind?

obviously the 3rd raikage is better. U_U

your probably mistaken what i was implying.

 

[Deadai]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Here is what I think of Hiruzen being the strongest...Kishi has made contradictions before in the manga and in part 1 he probably thought he should make Hiruzen the strongest but decided to switch it up in part 2 because he is a tad indecisive Its just that simple people.

Hashirama>Hiruzen

 

[Bigfoot34501]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

obviously the 3rd raikage is better. U_U

your probably mistaken what i was implying.

Oh alright :|

Then do you agree that the Third Raikage, Third Kazekage, Third Tsuchikage, and the Third Hokage are all the strongest Kage's of their respective villages and that they are the strongest generation of Kages?

 

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Here is what I think of Hiruzen being the strongest...Kishi has made contradictions before in the manga and in part 1 he probably thought he should make Hiruzen the strongest but decided tos witch it up in part 2 because hw is a tad indecisive Its just that simple people.

Hashirama>Hiruzen

exactly.

 

[9849651651561]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

This is opinion based question, like really.. Why you keep fighting over this? U_U

 

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Oh alright :|

Then do you agree that the Third Raikage, Third Kazekage, Third Tsuchikage, and the Third Hokage are all the strongest Kage's of their respective villages and that they are the strongest generation of Kages?

im not agreeing to alll of that. im agreeing soley on the fact that 3rd raikage> the past raikages.

 

[iamdsixth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

My question is, how much strength did Hiruzen Sarutobi lose from his prime to his current condition while fighting Orochimaru. The manga claims him to be the strongest of all Kages before him.
From my point of view, if he was half the shinobi he was while fighting Orochimaru would still not be enough to par with how powerful Hasirama is.
Lets face it .We actually gauge both characters by how powerful their opponents are since not much information are shown for both(Hiruzen on his prime and Hashirama) Madara Uchiha compliments Hashirama's strength while Orochimaru compliments Sarutobi's.Besides that, we rely on the data book which states "Hiruzen Sarutobi was said to be the strongest Hokage" coming from Iruka while Hashirama was stated "The strongest shinobi" coming from Madara Uchiha.

Hashirama Senju Vs. Madara Uchiha
We all can see how powerful Uchiha Madara is.This gives us an idea of Hashirama Senju's capabilities.

Sarutobi Hiruzen Vs. Orochimaru
One of the Sannin. Was considered a possible contender for the Hokage title by Sarutobi himself.

If Hiruzen is the strongest(powerful,best,greatest) Kage the leaf ever had,then it is easy to say that his strength had a great decrease from his prime state.*
My point, even if the databook states Hiruzen "was said to be the strongest Hokage" his and Hashirama's case should be considered arguable.
Just my opinion.
Great job on the thread for attacking the "DATA BOOK" rather than attacking the characters.



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[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

My question is, how much strength did Hiruzen Sarutobi lose from his prime to his current condition while fighting Orochimaru. The manga claims him to be the strongest of all Kages before him.
From my point of view, if he was half the shinobi he was while fighting Orochimaru would still not be enough to par with how powerful Hasirama is.
Lets face it .We actually gauge both characters by how powerful their opponents are since not much information are shown for both(Hiruzen on his prime and Hashirama) Madara Uchiha compliments Hashirama's strength while Orochimaru compliments Sarutobi's.Besides that, we rely on the data book which states "Hiruzen Sarutobi was said to be the strongest Hokage" coming from Iruka while Hashirama was stated "The strongest shinobi" coming from Madara Uchiha.

Hashirama Senju Vs. Madara Uchiha
We all can see how powerful Uchiha Madara is.This gives us an idea of Hashirama Senju's capabilities.

Sarutobi Hiruzen Vs. Orochimaru
One of the Sannin. Was considered a possible contender for the Hokage title by Sarutobi himself.

If Hiruzen is the strongest(powerful,best,greatest) Kage the leaf ever had,then it is easy to say that his strength had a great decrease from his prime state.*
My point, even if the databook states Hiruzen "was said to be the strongest Hokage" his and Hashirama's case should be considered arguable.
Just my opinion.
Great job on the thread for attacking the "DATA BOOK" rather than attacking the characters.



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link where it saids its a illegal to attack the databook?

and +rep very good post

 

[blackbird31468]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

how can kishi say hiruzen is the strongest when kishi has barely shown anything in the manga to prove this?

Because he can.xd

 

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Because he can.xd

and i can fly. your point?

 

[CrimsonH4ze]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

If the author say its true who are we to argue :shrug:

databook is cannon.

Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage until proven otherwise.

+rep the creator of this thread is an imbecile.:sy:

 

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

+rep the creator of this thread is an imbecile.:sy:

that hurt... * sarcasm *

just because he's the author doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes or his fans cant argue against his work.

 

[blackbird31468]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

and i can fly. your point?

Relax, I was just joking. Anyway, my point is that if the manga and databooks says that he is the strongest, then he is. If Hashirama seems OP then that just further implies how strong Hiruzen was in is prime. And even in the current manga it doesn't say that Hashirama is the strongest hokage.

 

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Relax, I was just joking. Anyway, my point is that if the manga and databooks says that he is the strongest, then he is. If Hashirama seems OP then that just further implies how strong Hiruzen was in is prime. And even in the current manga it doesn't say that Hashirama is the strongest hokage.

i am relaxed,and i can fly if i imagine enough xd

the manga and databook both said hiruzen WAS SAID TO BE THE STRONGEST HOKAGE it doesnt directly say HE IS the strongest hokage.

theirs a difference between WAS SAID TO BE and HE IS