Hiruzen

[LegendaryAce]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

You say hashirama didn't use his techs, I say Hiruzen didn't use all of his. You see, your points are futile.

...he didnt have chakra for it?

 

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

You say hashirama didn't use his techs, I say Hiruzen didn't use all of his. You see, your points are futile.

like he could, he was 70+ years old

 

[Kuro Tamashi]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

LOL yea ok ...Byakugan >sharingan true right?

and ignoring this hiruzen thing ...il keep my opinions to my self

If that is what kishi said then it is law. But I do prefer byakugan lol. I like neji. He is dope

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

hiruzen has shown nothing that even hints he deserves that title, while hashirama has. that should be enough for you to realize that hashirama>hiruzen

He doesn't need to show jackshit. This is what so many people fail to understand. The manga has given you an answer to this question on a plate for you, yet you still can't seem to get it. He. Was. Called. The strongest Hokage. I mean I just cannot fathom what some of you are actually saying. What you're saying is, the manga is wrong. That is what you're saying. You DO realise that, right?

 

[The Necromancer]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Strongest hokage. How clear must it be.

You do know Hiruzen shared the same nickname as the So6P, right? I'd class that as above a 'myth' which was only compared to the Sage.

Thing is, everything you're trying to say about Hiruzen stems from your own opinion.

I reckon kishi could've come out and said Hiruzen > Hashirama directly and some people here would still say he's wrong.

A nickname doesn't hold up against actual reputation. Show me a panel that says that hiruzen could defeat 10,000 shinobi by himself (as he should because he was better than the 3rd raikage right?) and maybe i'll believe you. What if moege's nickname was the bringer of the reaper or something? Doesn't matter, she still sucks. Konan's nickname was the lady angel (as in right hand of god) killed by a lead pipe. Pain was praised as god (pretty close to god of shinobi, but extended to include everyone) killed by pre BM naruto.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

it is :sy:

Amaterasu isnt as hot as the sun.

and it saids their is no defence against kamui when their is.

There is no defense of Kamui. You can't block it, only avoid it. It said Amaterasu flames are said to be as hot as the sun. It was stating the legend.

 

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

A nickname doesn't hold up against actual reputation. Show me a panel that says that hiruzen could defeat 10,000 shinobi by himself (as he should because he was better than the 3rd raikage right?) and maybe i'll believe you. What if moege's nickname was the bringer of the reaper or something? Doesn't matter, she still sucks. Konan's nickname was the lady angel (as in right hand of god) killed by a lead pipe. Pain was praised as god (pretty close to god of shinobi, but extended to include everyone) killed by pre BM naruto.

this

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

...he didnt have chakra for it?

like he could, he was 70+ years old

Thanks guys, you further strengthed my argument. It's clear a Prime Hiruzen would've done infinitely better in the fight, even though he still managed to hold his own. 'Poor compared to his prime', as stated by Emna. We also know chakra capacity decreases with age, that's why he wasn't able to use his most devastating techniques. So a piss poor, oldage Hiruzen defeated a young edo tensei Hashirama and edo tensei Tobirama.

You say Hashirama was restricted because he did not have full control of himself. I SAY Hiruzen was restricted because he was old and wasn't able to use all his techs. YET he still held his own against the two former hokage.

 

[wyliejl]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

He doesn't need to show jackshit. This is what so many people fail to understand. The manga has given you an answer to this question on a plate for you, yet you still can't seem to get it. He. Was. Called. The strongest Hokage. I mean I just cannot fathom what some of you are actually saying. What you're saying is, the manga is wrong. That is what you're saying. You DO realise that, right?

He was called the strongest by weaklings lmfao

 

[The Necromancer]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Thanks guys, you further strengthed my argument. It's clear a Prime Hiruzen would've done infinitely better in the fight, even though he still managed to hold his own. 'Poor compared to his prime', as stated by Emna. We also know chakra capacity decreases with age, that's why he wasn't able to use his most devastating techniques. So a piss poor, oldage Hiruzen defeated a young edo tensei Hashirama and edo tensei Tobirama.

You say Hashirama was restricted because he did not have full control of himself. I SAY Hiruzen was restricted because he was old and wasn't able to use all his techs. YET he still held his own against the two former hokage.

Explain onoki then...

 

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

There is no defense of Kamui. You can't block it, only avoid it. It said Amaterasu flames are said to be as hot as the sun. It was stating the legend.

yata mirror blocks astriel attacks, kamui is a astrial attacks since its a black hope/dimension.

thats a defence

 

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Explain onoki then...

this^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

A nickname doesn't hold up against actual reputation. Show me a panel that says that hiruzen could defeat 10,000 shinobi by himself (as he should because he was better than the 3rd raikage right?) and maybe i'll believe you. What if moege's nickname was the bringer of the reaper or something? Doesn't matter, she still sucks. Konan's nickname was the lady angel (as in right hand of god) killed by a lead pipe. Pain was praised as god (pretty close to god of shinobi, but extended to include everyone) killed by pre BM naruto.

Dude. Strongest Hokage. What can you say about that? What can you show me to disprove that? The fact is there is nothing. If you still don't get it, just read the hype breakdown thread, because you're still using opinion.

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[Taiketsu Yagami]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

he would still be pathetic at that time according to the manga(he is potrayed to be like that for that specific scene) ..and have as much chakra reserves so would help at that time.

Again... "Considered Stronger then all the kage in his generation" That means Onoki and the 3rd Raikage who we consider one of the strongest people in this manga. How in the world would he be pathetic? Thats like calling Onoki and 3rd Raikage pathetic.

you honestly think that was a legit fight, if hashi fought the same way he did against ems madara.... you already know what would of happen to hiruzen. hashirama was barely using his wood techs, not to mention he didnt use flower of the tree world, how would hiruzen counter his pollen :sy:

Again... Lets skip back a few years and u wouldn't be saying that. Back then u didn't even know what EMS Madara was capable of so don't give me the BS that he didn't use any of his techs because fact is, Hiruzen didn't use any of his over powered techs either except for the death reaper seal.

No, not at all. He's strong, sure. Put him in part 2 and he'll be 100% stronger even out of his prime. But what i'm saying is even that doesn't compare to the first hokage, the only man madara (the most powerful person in the manga right now) fears and respects. And as he's lived to know nagato, he definitely knows the power of the third hokage.

That whole Nagato knowing thing is still in the dark and at the time of Hashirama and Madara, Hiruzen was in his late teens-early 20s.

Thats the problem with Hashirama's hype. Because he took out Madara "Who we've never seen fight without the upgrade Kabuto gave him", he would blow Hiruzen out of the water. The same Hiruzen who was trained by the first and second hokage and learned everything from them and from evidence in the manga, knows how to counter all their techniques!

 

[The Necromancer]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Dude. Strongest Hokage. What can you say about that? What can you show me to disprove that? The fact is there is nothing. If you still don't get it, just read the hype breakdown thread, because you're still using opinion.

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Before i read i would like an answer to any one of my three questions that you've ignored.

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Explain onoki then...

LMFAO. Explain what? That Hiruzen held his own against Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama whilst Oonoki struggles with 4 other Kages against one edo?

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Before i read i would like an answer to any one of my three questions that you've ignored.

I don't care for questions or opinions or BS, I care for manga pages.

 

[james the fourth]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

LMFAO. Explain what? That Hiruzen held his own against Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama whilst Oonoki struggles with 4 other Kages against one edo?

a edo with the sages eyes, and ems,and a perfect sussano, and wood release,

old hiruzen would of died a long time ago

 

[LegendaryAce]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

Thanks guys, you further strengthed my argument. It's clear a Prime Hiruzen would've done infinitely better in the fight, even though he still managed to hold his own. 'Poor compared to his prime', as stated by Emna. We also know chakra capacity decreases with age, that's why he wasn't able to use his most devastating techniques. So a piss poor, oldage Hiruzen defeated a young edo tensei Hashirama and edo tensei Tobirama.

You say Hashirama was restricted because he did not have full control of himself. I SAY Hiruzen was restricted because he was old and wasn't able to use all his techs. YET he still held his own against the two former hokage.

Never did i say he didnt hold his own...hashirama should have had almost infinite chakra ,senju+edo and the jutsus he done were just embarasin and just ruined his whole image...if you think thats all hashirama and tobirama can do then i lose all respect i have for you

 

[Ryuu..]

Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )

a edo with the sages eyes, and ems,and a perfect sussano, and wood release,

old hiruzen would of died a long time ago

You make it sound like it's more difficult with 4 other Kages with you and a HAXXED KKG of your own