LegendaryAce
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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
...he didnt have chakra for it?
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james the fourth
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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
like he could, he was 70+ years old
Kuro Tamashi
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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
If that is what kishi said then it is law. But I do prefer byakugan lol. I like neji. He is dope
Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
He doesn't need to show jackshit. This is what so many people fail to understand. The manga has given you an answer to this question on a plate for you, yet you still can't seem to get it. He. Was. Called. The strongest Hokage. I mean I just cannot fathom what some of you are actually saying. What you're saying is, the manga is wrong. That is what you're saying. You DO realise that, right?
The Necromancer
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A nickname doesn't hold up against actual reputation. Show me a panel that says that hiruzen could defeat 10,000 shinobi by himself (as he should because he was better than the 3rd raikage right?) and maybe i'll believe you. What if moege's nickname was the bringer of the reaper or something? Doesn't matter, she still sucks. Konan's nickname was the lady angel (as in right hand of god) killed by a lead pipe. Pain was praised as god (pretty close to god of shinobi, but extended to include everyone) killed by pre BM naruto.
Q of the Sharingan
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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
There is no defense of Kamui. You can't block it, only avoid it. It said Amaterasu flames are said to be as hot as the sun. It was stating the legend.
james the fourth
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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
You say Hashirama was restricted because he did not have full control of himself. I SAY Hiruzen was restricted because he was old and wasn't able to use all his techs. YET he still held his own against the two former hokage.
Thanks guys, you further strengthed my argument. It's clear a Prime Hiruzen would've done infinitely better in the fight, even though he still managed to hold his own. 'Poor compared to his prime', as stated by Emna. We also know chakra capacity decreases with age, that's why he wasn't able to use his most devastating techniques. So a piss poor, oldage Hiruzen defeated a young edo tensei Hashirama and edo tensei Tobirama.
You say Hashirama was restricted because he did not have full control of himself. I SAY Hiruzen was restricted because he was old and wasn't able to use all his techs. YET he still held his own against the two former hokage.
The Necromancer
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james the fourth
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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
thats a defence
yata mirror blocks astriel attacks, kamui is a astrial attacks since its a black hope/dimension.
thats a defence
james the fourth
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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
Dude. Strongest Hokage. What can you say about that? What can you show me to disprove that? The fact is there is nothing. If you still don't get it, just read the hype breakdown thread, because you're still using opinion.
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Taiketsu Yagami
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Thats the problem with Hashirama's hype. Because he took out Madara "Who we've never seen fight without the upgrade Kabuto gave him", he would blow Hiruzen out of the water. The same Hiruzen who was trained by the first and second hokage and learned everything from them and from evidence in the manga, knows how to counter all their techniques!
Again... "Considered Stronger then all the kage in his generation" That means Onoki and the 3rd Raikage who we consider one of the strongest people in this manga. How in the world would he be pathetic? Thats like calling Onoki and 3rd Raikage pathetic.
Again... Lets skip back a few years and u wouldn't be saying that. Back then u didn't even know what EMS Madara was capable of so don't give me the BS that he didn't use any of his techs because fact is, Hiruzen didn't use any of his over powered techs either except for the death reaper seal.
That whole Nagato knowing thing is still in the dark and at the time of Hashirama and Madara, Hiruzen was in his late teens-early 20s.
Thats the problem with Hashirama's hype. Because he took out Madara "Who we've never seen fight without the upgrade Kabuto gave him", he would blow Hiruzen out of the water. The same Hiruzen who was trained by the first and second hokage and learned everything from them and from evidence in the manga, knows how to counter all their techniques!
The Necromancer
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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
Before i read i would like an answer to any one of my three questions that you've ignored.
Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
LMFAO. Explain what? That Hiruzen held his own against Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama whilst Oonoki struggles with 4 other Kages against one edo?
james the fourth
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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
old hiruzen would of died a long time ago
a edo with the sages eyes, and ems,and a perfect sussano, and wood release,
old hiruzen would of died a long time ago
LegendaryAce
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Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
Never did i say he didnt hold his own...hashirama should have had almost infinite chakra ,senju+edo and the jutsus he done were just embarasin and just ruined his whole image...if you think thats all hashirama and tobirama can do then i lose all respect i have for you
Re: databook is flawed and overhypes characters ( hiruzen )
You make it sound like it's more difficult with 4 other Kages with you and a HAXXED KKG of your owna edo with the sages eyes, and ems,and a perfect sussano, and wood release,
old hiruzen would of died a long time ago