robihurstferenc
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I don't really think that kisame could beat hiruzen, but that discussion is for a different thread:shrug:
WTH Kakashi developed MS himself. No one has given him that.:sy:Well, Kakashi was given his MS. It's true that he mastered it himself, but still.
I think the answer is either Minato or Hiruzen. They were the greatest without talent. Although, I'm not so sure about Hiruzen.
Was he born with talent? O_O
you are a stupid ... who thinks the god shinobi is weaker than kisame ..... u think -- wat u think is only r8 .... not so far from a fanboy imageMinato was born with talent, he was genius.
Kisame and Orochiamaru.
Hiruzen also got his help from 2 strongest Senjus lol, at any point he's weaker than Kisame.
Oh crap, sorry I meant sharingan.WTH Kakashi developed MS himself. No one has given him that.:sy:
Because all members of the Sarutobi clan obviously is born with some kind of talent that others ain't, they're all talented and obviously have large chakra reserves.. Just my point of view though..Why? O_O
Yeah, by born with talent, i meant like bloodline or a special clan trait. we have never heard about the namikaze clan being special, no proof of the sarutobi clan having any dna traits, nothing about the momochi clan, or the hoshigaki clan, or the 3d raikage's clan either. Just wondering how you got that "half the characters" were given/born with a clan's ability:shrug:i dont no if you dumb ass people notice but more than half those names on the list were born genius or prodigys lmfao. and they may have not been born with a clan bloodline but still they were born with talent regardless
^This1. Minato, wasn't born with anything or given anything. Created and earned it fair and square, he is the ultimate shinobi for me(not powerwise just an awesome ninja).
2. Orochimaru(Genius)
3. Rock Lee for him busting his azz of 24/7
Edit: You made a poll, that's why I changed it lol.