Minato is actually weaker than a lot of Naruto Characters.

[~Uzumaki~]

They are speaking in past tense because he is dead dude..

If someone says orochimaru has the talent to become the strongest shinobi-
It means while he isn't the strongest shinobi , but has the aptitude to become it

jiraya says Minato had the talent to become extremely strong, then tsunade says but he died quickly...

it means he didn't have time to use that talent

One of us is misinterpreting that sentence, let's see who that is,
You're saying that Minato didn't become a top rated ninja, the Minato who has sealing techniques that can seal Kurama, who wiped out armies in the blink of an eye, who became Hokage, who defeated Tobi, A(the next in line for Raikage) and Bee, the same Minato ninja were told to run from under any circumstances, the ninja who won the Third Great Shinobi World War for Konoha. That's who you're saying Jiraiya is calling 'not yet a top rated ninja' while my interpretation of the sentence is that he is a top rated ninja. Who do you think is wrong here?

 

[Owarij]

One of us is misinterpreting that sentence, let's see who that is,
You're saying that Minato didn't become a top rated ninja, the Minato who has sealing techniques that can seal Kurama, who wiped out armies in the blink of an eye, who became Hokage, who defeated Tobi, A(the next in line for Raikage) and Bee, the same Minato ninja were told to run from under any circumstances, the ninja who won the Third Great Shinobi World War for Konoha. That's who you're saying Jiraiya is calling 'not yet a top rated ninja' while my interpretation of the sentence is that he is a top rated ninja. Who do you think is wrong here?

i don't consider A top rated ninja wtf, he's kage level sure, but i was more thinking of hashirama, hiruzen, madara, those kinds of people .high kages.... A , mei etc, they are just kage level :S ....
and yeaaa, he could beat a bunch of fodder easily, so could alot of people :S

 

[~Uzumaki~]

i don't consider A top rated ninja wtf, he's kage level sure, but i was more thinking of hashirama, hiruzen, madara, those kinds of people .high kages.... A , mei etc, they are just kage level :S ....
and yeaaa, he could beat a bunch of fodder easily, so could alot of people :S

Do you consider Tobi top rated? You do? Well, Minato beat Tobi so there's your answer. Also, how will Hashirama, Madara or Hiruzen survive the combo in the thread I linked you to?

 

[Owarij]

Do you consider Tobi top rated? You do? Well, Minato beat Tobi so there's your answer. Also, how will Hashirama, Madara or Hiruzen survive the combo in the thread I linked you to?

Tobi? i consider the new tobi extremely op


but sharingan tobi,

firstly- It wasn't exactly kyuubi + tobi vs minato...

kyuubi was attacking the village

so it was tobi vs minato, and tobi's only jutsu was that space time thing he usees.. which is incredibly op to any normal ninja.. but minato had a counter.. that match was situational like kisame vs gai... with tobi only using 1 move, and minato having a counter to that 1 move , which is a faster s/t than tobi's

but as i said.. If it was tobi + kyuubi , vs minato.. the match would have went differently.. He wouldn't have the time to do all gamabunta stuff.. and he'd eventually run out of chakra from teleporting tbbs away and dodging



but current tobi will destroy minato easily.. rinnegan and bijuu's? easy

 

[NarutoMinato]

He will be a match for mu. What im saying is that we have seen more powerful ninja's than him in the manga and imo he isnt a top10 ninja going by what we have seen.

Now nobody bother quote me telling me what is right/wrong in my top10 because your opinion is irrelevant. We all have our top10. Anyway mine is final, atleast until we see more of others;
1. Edo madara (Kabuto)
2. Tobi
3. Nagato
4. Hashirama
5. Bm naruto
6. Hiruzen hype/itachi
7. Mu
8. Ems sasuke
9. 2n mizukage
10. 3rd raikage

Could you please tell how much of Ems Sasuke have you seen so far?

 

[NarutoMinato]

pretty good points. His defense in indeed remarkable. but still how would be beat someone with susanoo and powerful recuperating abilities?

Did anyone has a clue, how is he going to touch Tobi?

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Tobi? i consider the new tobi extremely op


but sharingan tobi,

firstly- It wasn't exactly kyuubi + tobi vs minato...

kyuubi was attacking the village

so it was tobi vs minato, and tobi's only jutsu was that space time thing he usees.. which is incredibly op to any normal ninja.. but minato had a counter.. that match was situational like kisame vs gai... with tobi only using 1 move, and minato having a counter to that 1 move , which is a faster s/t than tobi's

but as i said.. If it was tobi + kyuubi , vs minato.. the match would have went differently.. He wouldn't have the time to do all gamabunta stuff.. and he'd eventually run out of chakra from teleporting tbbs away and dodging



but current tobi will destroy minato easily.. rinnegan and bijuu's? easy

Not really, if he teleported TBB back at Kyubi, Kyubi would collapse, Naruto's Rasenshuriken made him unable to stand when Naruto fought him, TBB could knock him out( bijuu can be knocked out as the Three Tails was by Deidara) removing Kurama from the battle, , and bringing it to Tobi Vs Minato and we all know how that turns out.
Again I ask, how would. Hashirama, Hiruzen and Madara survive the combo I linked you to?

 

[NarutoMinato]

Tobi? i consider the new tobi extremely op


but sharingan tobi,

firstly- It wasn't exactly kyuubi + tobi vs minato...

kyuubi was attacking the village

so it was tobi vs minato, and tobi's only jutsu was that space time thing he usees.. which is incredibly op to any normal ninja.. but minato had a counter.. that match was situational like kisame vs gai... with tobi only using 1 move, and minato having a counter to that 1 move , which is a faster s/t than tobi's

but as i said.. If it was tobi + kyuubi , vs minato.. the match would have went differently.. He wouldn't have the time to do all gamabunta stuff.. and he'd eventually run out of chakra from teleporting tbbs away and dodging



but current tobi will destroy minato easily.. rinnegan and bijuu's? easy

I dont think so that it is a fair comparison, Tobi lived 16 years more, learnt more and improved more.

 

[Owarij]

I dont think so that it is a fair comparison, Tobi lived 16 years more, learnt more and improved more.

i knw its not fair to put minato up against new tobi

but old tobi had nothing.. s/t and some chains...

 

[kendell]

Sure the yellow flash is one of the fastest shinobis in Narutoverse. However, what he really lacks is a powerful move. So far from what we've seen the strongest weapons in his arsenal are his kunai and the rasengan. Meaning he can get behind his opponent in the blink of an eye and stab 'em with his kunai. This might be quite effective against some of the characters in Naruto. However, this puts Minato in a bad spot against the top tier naruto characters such as the kages, akatsuki members like orochimaru, itachi, pain and Madara Uchiha and Even Biiju Naruto. Rasengan, as we have seen, has been countered thousands of times in naruto. There are so many characters that can simply withstand it. For example, orochimaru can easily withstand a kunai attack or a rasengan thanks to his regenerative abilities. Minato can keep chopping him off all day but he will just keep coming out of his shells. Sage Kabuto is another character that will annihilate minato in terms of feats. Minato can rasengan him all day but he will just keep healing himself. Ninjutsu is useless against edo madara so minato will have to take him down with power moves. The problem is minato doesn't have any. Like he doesn't have any moves that will break the susanoo. Strength is a feat he seems to lack as well. Now I have no doubt in Minato's superior intellect and I can guarantee he will find a way to score a direct hit on any opponent. The only problem is that hit may not be enough to finish off some of the top rank shinobies. And that makes minato a weak match against them. Sure minato can defeat kakashi and the jonins of leaf village and even jiraiya(because he died cause of the chakra rod stab wound from pain minato can stab him too even in sage mode) with his speed. But against some characters with high defenses, hes just useless. Its a shame he had to die so early cause I am sure he would of perfected his rasengan and chakra affinity if he lived but the fact remains, Minato does not have a high power ninja move.

I had to log in just to say please read the maga over again i'm sure yopu miss something. one more thing are u on crack, no one can beat the four

 

[NarutoMinato]

i knw its not fair to put minato up against new tobi

but old tobi had nothing.. s/t and some chains...

I would say that Tobi couldnt show much because he didnt expect Minato to beat him so easily in an instant. Had it been a longer fight we would have seen many jutsu from Tobi.

 

[gazmatic]

if Minato had the sage mode, that would be a total rape. But I highly doubt if he had it.

I think he would have sage mode. of all the people who entered the frog world only the successful ones come out. failures turn to stone. atleast this is what i get from the manga... Minato as a hokage must know plenty jutsu... point is, we never saw them but it is certain that he has them.

anyway no one can top SO6P and the bijuus practically acknowledged naruto as his reincarnation or something. wat doz dis havta do wid de minato being strong/weak argument? nothing really. i jus wanted people to read all the mangas before they post. :flaw:

 

[xxSAGExx]

Sure the yellow flash is one of the fastest shinobis in Narutoverse. However, what he really lacks is a powerful move. So far from what we've seen the strongest weapons in his arsenal are his kunai and the rasengan. Meaning he can get behind his opponent in the blink of an eye and stab 'em with his kunai. This might be quite effective against some of the characters in Naruto. However, this puts Minato in a bad spot against the top tier naruto characters such as the kages, akatsuki members like orochimaru, itachi, pain and Madara Uchiha and Even Biiju Naruto. Rasengan, as we have seen, has been countered thousands of times in naruto. There are so many characters that can simply withstand it. For example, orochimaru can easily withstand a kunai attack or a rasengan thanks to his regenerative abilities. Minato can keep chopping him off all day but he will just keep coming out of his shells. Sage Kabuto is another character that will annihilate minato in terms of feats. Minato can rasengan him all day but he will just keep healing himself. Ninjutsu is useless against edo madara so minato will have to take him down with power moves. The problem is minato doesn't have any. Like he doesn't have any moves that will break the susanoo. Strength is a feat he seems to lack as well. Now I have no doubt in Minato's superior intellect and I can guarantee he will find a way to score a direct hit on any opponent. The only problem is that hit may not be enough to finish off some of the top rank shinobies. And that makes minato a weak match against them. Sure minato can defeat kakashi and the jonins of leaf village and even jiraiya(because he died cause of the chakra rod stab wound from pain minato can stab him too even in sage mode) with his speed. But against some characters with high defenses, hes just useless. Its a shame he had to die so early cause I am sure he would of perfected his rasengan and chakra affinity if he lived but the fact remains, Minato does not have a high power ninja move.

I disagree, we never seen Minato fight a full out battle to see what he can really do. When Tobi attacked Konoha Minato was saving Naruto, Kushina, the village, beat Tobi then sealed Kurama. Of course we wouldn't see his stronger jutsus, he used what would benefit him in that situation. Minato is able to cut through most of Bee's tentacle in the air without any leverage so he's strong enough to cut off body parts. Sealing jutsus are the strongest jutsus out there and Minato knows the sealing jutsus from the Uzumaki clan which was destroyed because of said sealing jutsus. Also it's still unclear if Minato had sage mode or not, he didn't really have time to stand still when so much was happening during Tobi's attack.

It was said Minato never mastered the rasengan because he never manage to add his element to it but it doesn't say Minato couldn't use oodama rasengan, ultra oodama rasengan, ect... As for healing abilities, we saw how a basic rasengan left Kabuto who was healing himself even before he was hit. This means Orochimaru would still feel the damage for Minato's rasengan ( basic rasengan is bigger/stronger than Naruto's or Jiraiya) and sheding his skin uses a lot of chakra and can't be spammed. Edo's weakness is sealing jutsus so Minato speed, genius and sealing jutsus will aid him.

 

[SupErAkaTsuKI]

Tobi? i consider the new tobi extremely op


but sharingan tobi,

firstly- It wasn't exactly kyuubi + tobi vs minato...

kyuubi was attacking the village

so it was tobi vs minato, and tobi's only jutsu was that space time thing he usees.. which is incredibly op to any normal ninja.. but minato had a counter.. that match was situational like kisame vs gai... with tobi only using 1 move, and minato having a counter to that 1 move , which is a faster s/t than tobi's

but as i said.. If it was tobi + kyuubi , vs minato.. the match would have went differently.. He wouldn't have the time to do all gamabunta stuff.. and he'd eventually run out of chakra from teleporting tbbs away and dodging



but current tobi will destroy minato easily.. rinnegan and bijuu's? easy

tell me how do u consider old Tobi?

As far as I can remember, dis is d old Tobi dat lead AKATSUKI, who gave orders to NAgato or any oder members, & to whom Itachi states to be invincible & immortal..

Old sharingan Tobi isn't only capable of a S/T ninjutsu. As we've witnessed he can cast powerful genjutsu enough to control a perfect jinchuriki, d 9-tailed demon fox & can also perform IZANAGI.. If he ddn't used any of dis jutsu's against Minato, den it wasn't his fault!!

Regardless if d situation was Tobi+Kyubi vs. Minato, or Tobi vs. Minato, or Minato vs d Kyubi, at d end of d fight, d 4th owned dem & saved d hidden leaf village.

Current Tobi will destroy Minato easily? Old Tobi had d kyubi -(d most powerful amongst ol d tailed beast) during dat tym but didn't manage to injure Minato dat much..

So far we don't know much about Minato's true power, strength & ability.. As we lack knowledge about this matter it isn't safe to go 4 dis assumptions..

 

[Kakashi Fang]

True

 

[sarutobi01843]

I have already acknowledged that fact 3 times on this thread.

Minato as a hokage is suppose to know 1000 jutsu's due to plot no jutsu we didnt get to see what ohter techs he had but remember due to the situation what he showed was the ability to decipher what course of action to take in a bad situation and the ability to figure out your opponents next move is greater the having a bunch of techs trust me we may not have seen much but minato is a lot stronger then what we have seen!!!!! It just sucks that he died so early and we didnt get to see his abilities

 

[Darth Wignus]

Not having a huge finisher isn't really a huge deal. Lost of ninjas don't have a huge finisher but they get the job done using a ton of other skills.

 

[Viewtiful]

Here's what Jiraiya has to say about Minato's skill and potential:

"I'd say being compared to the Fourth would be harsh on anyone, right. Anyhow, that guy's calibre as a shinobi was number one in history… His brilliant mind was overflowing with talent for techniques… He had popularity galore. Well… he was as handsome a man as I am, no." (「四代目と比べられりゃ誰だってキツイだろーよ。なんせ あやつは忍としての器は歴代一だった…術の才に溢れ頭脳明晰…人望に満ち、まぁ…ワシ並みに男前だったしのォ」, "Yondaime to kuraberarerya dare datte kitsui darō yo. Nanse, ayatsu wa shinobi toshite no utsuwa wa rekidaiichi datta… Jutsu no sai ni afure zunō meiseki… Jinbō ni michi, maa… Washi nami ni otokomae datta shi no~")

He says he had the potential to surpass everyone in history (certainly barring the Sage), hence the word "calibre". Even Tsunade agreed with that statement, but asserted his early death as the culprit of not fully fulfilling said potential.

 

[phantomlord22]

This is just crazy...

 

[Mante]

Well, there is a reason why he became hokage - also he beated Tobi
btw ur post has a point after-all.