Yes, Yet another Hokage Comparison Thread

[Viewtiful]

While I mostly agree that Minato most likely would have surpassed Hiruzen's prime in a few more years, especially given what Jiraiya, being a student of Hiruzen in his prime and all said, I think one thing must be noted. At the time, Minato's power would have been more relevant and known to younger ninjas than Hiruzen's. They may have heard of his legendary strength, but obviously based on the reactions of Konohamaru's classmates when Iruka told them about Hiruzen being the most powerful Hokage, he was simply not seen that way by the younger ninja and students.

 

[BloodSeed]

While I mostly agree that Minato most likely would have surpassed Hiruzen's prime in a few more years, especially given what Jiraiya, being a student of Hiruzen in his prime and all said, I think one thing must be noted. At the time, Minato's power would have been more relevant and known to younger ninjas than Hiruzen's. They may have heard of his legendary strength, but obviously based on the reactions of Konohamaru's classmates when Iruka told them about Hiruzen being the most powerful Hokage, he was simply not seen that way by the younger ninja and students.

maybe its because he become a hokage for a short peroid of time.
it also stated by jiraiya that he become a hokage in blink of an eye. hiruzen was always around maybe thats the reason why.

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its clear we havnt found a genius like him since? minato is more genius than itachi sorry itachi fans :rofl:

 

[ronus]

Gud work. But as you see, people are a bit one sided. They don't look out for facts but only see what they want to(cause they like that one character very much).
As for me I like them all, almost.
3rd as far as i can see was not that impressive: But even in his old age he did defeated 1st/2nd hokages(edo). So yeah he is strong. Hashirama was also strong as his copycat power was very impressive.
Hell with that, every hokages and Kages are strong, after all they are intrusted with the village.

 

[Viewtiful]

I really did always hope Minato had surpassed Hiruzen. Dammit Kishi. T^T

 

[ajpn920]

Mmkay, I took about a month break from the site (and pretty much the 'Net in general) to take care of some stuff. Anyway, I'm back, so yeah. Noticed a lot of arguments about Hashirama this, Minato that. Naw son, I'm here to set things straight.

Okay, as I'm certain you've seen the translation of what Kishimoto has said about Hiruzen's strength at his peak, I don't see the need for me to post it for the umpteenth time...
Ah to hell with, I wouldn't be me if I didn't spam post this again:


To my knowledge, both of the databooks following the 1st one state variations of the irrefutable fact that Hiruzen was indeed the strongest. Heck, Hashirama helped to train Hiruzen since he saw the potential he had. And as we've seen, the next generation unfailingly ends up surpassing its predecessor.
Hashirama was incredibly powerful. NO ONE is denying that; only a foo' would. It's just certain that at least two individuals were stronger than him.
His power was never compared to the Sage's. His power was said to have been thought of as a myth just as the Sage's existence was said to be.

Minato was also greatly hailed. A believed him to be unsurpassable, having faced him several times during the 3rd World War. I had a translator over on the wiki translate what Jiraiya says about Minato back in Part 1:


I bolded the word "calibre", because it means the level of his ability. Better put as his potential I suppose. He may have become stronger than his immediate predecessor, but apparently didn't reach that level before his young death based on other sources. Anyway, Tsunade also agreed with this statement despite her attitude at the time in the story, so this can't be put off as Jiraiya's bias.


Basically, let's calm down. Just because Kishimoto has pumped up Hashirama's status doesn't negate like a decade of canon everyone. He has just been expanded upon. Heh, I'm certain that the next time Minato or perhaps Tobirama has his power elaborated on, more of you will jump on that bandwagon. I look forward to the certain hilarity I will get from the responses to this post.

Good to know the new translation. I always believe that Minato is the strongest..+rep

 

[Owarij]

they wont listen, no matter what
and you're right, Minato didn't reach his prime


there is a scan where jiraya says " The fourth had potential to be top tier, but died young "

if he had a few more years he could have made it as number 1, according to jiraya he had crazyyy potential

but hiruzen prime was TRAINED by tobirama and hashirama and he surpassed them , i don't get why people don't see that

 

[~Uzumaki~]

it was said that everyone respected him a s strongest hokage, thats cool, everyone respected him, this isn't Kishi's opinion, it was the world's opinion. the same ninja world that thought Tobi was Madara, SO6P was a fairytale. they could be wrong.

 

[Owarij]

it was said that everyone respected him a s strongest hokage, thats cool, everyone respected him, this isn't Kishi's opinion, it was the world's opinion. the same ninja world that thought Tobi was Madara, SO6P was a fairytale. they could be wrong.

sso if everyone in the ninja world thought of him as the strongest hokage, that includes old people of konoha etc, who've lived to see hashirama/tobirama etc.... and everyone in the world according to kabuto considered him the strongest kage of his time


what do you thin? they were just pulling that out his ass? they called him that for a reason... everyone knows about the great hashirama, who has moukouton, who defeated madara and shared the bijuu, yet they still call hiruzen the strongest hokage . there is obviously something he has that we don't know about or haven't seen ..

 

[natssuu]

In part 1, Kishimoto decided that Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage, but as the time passed by and Hashirama became a big part of the series, he changed his mind and that's why Hiruzen hasn't been hyped for a long time and Hashirama instead has been hyped so much, his power was even compareable to SO6P's. Hashirama > Other Hokages

 

[Owarij]

In part 1, Kishimoto decided that Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage, but as the time passed by and Hashirama became a big part of the series, he changed his mind and that's why Hiruzen hasn't been hyped for a long time and Hashirama instead has been hyped so much, his power was even compareable to SO6P's. Hashirama > Other Hokages

Please link me the interview or databook entry where kishi says HE changed his mind about his story...

LMAO , power comparable to s06p? his power was just unbelivable . m aking forests in seconds, bringing life to things, it was stuff out of a fairy tale..

so6p power? kabuto clearly states that there were other ninja on his level, who are not around anymore

go ahead, list the ninjas kabuto was refering to .. who are on hashirama's so called "so6p level"


you're telling me that there were many so6p level ninja???

you overate hashirama TOO much... Each hokage got their hype... Hiruzen first, then minato, tobirama got a little, and NOW hashirama is getting his hype....


hiruzen played his part in his arc.. he got his background story, his epic death moment.. the orochimaru invasion arc is OVER.... What other relevance does he play in the plot? why bring him up again? what more hype would he get?

 

[Blaze Release]

Not this again. Tbh the strongest hokage is tsunade. She is the only one alive so stfu

 

[Baka Sennin]

i agree, hashirama's hype doesn't invalidate or contradict minato and especially hiruzen's hype in the slightest.

Kabuto left room in hashirama's hype by saying there aren't ninja like hashirama ANYMORE. meaning that there are possibly dead shinobi who were stronger. And even then, I think Kabuto doesn't know just how strong Naruto is atm, or he wouldnt run his mouth so much.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

ok let just say minato is the strongest hokage, happy now ?

 

[~Uzumaki~]

sso if everyone in the ninja world thought of him as the strongest hokage, that includes old people of konoha etc, who've lived to see hashirama/tobirama etc.... and everyone in the world according to kabuto considered him the strongest kage of his time


what do you thin? they were just pulling that out his ass? they called him that for a reason... everyone knows about the great hashirama, who has moukouton, who defeated madara and shared the bijuu, yet they still call hiruzen the strongest hokage . there is obviously something he has that we don't know about or haven't seen ..

at old age his only problem was lack of chakra, it was miserable, I mean look at old Onoki, he used Dust Release three times, carried a meteor, and he can still go on, hiruzen used 2 elemental techs, Shadow clone shuriken, and summoned Enma before reaper death seal and he was out, the man is lower than sick Itachi. his rival was danzo, danzo without uchiha power is poop. when he fought the two hokages and was preparing the seal, Orochimaru was waiting for him, he literally didn't take advantage of the darkness and kill him out of curiosity to see what he would use. instead of killing him when Hashi's wood caught him, he started telling him how miserable he was. even with oro completely underestimating him, he lost the fight. compare that to Onoki.

 

[Owarij]

at old age his only problem was lack of chakra, it was miserable, I mean look at old Onoki, he used Dust Release three times, carried a meteor, and he can still go on, hiruzen used 2 elemental techs, Shadow clone shuriken, and summoned Enma before reaper death seal and he was out, the man is lower than sick Itachi. his rival was danzo, danzo without uchiha power is poop. when he fought the two hokages and was preparing the seal, Orochimaru was waiting for him, he literally didn't take advantage of the darkness and kill him out of curiosity to see what he would use. instead of killing him when Hashi's wood caught him, he started telling him how miserable he was. even with oro completely underestimating him, he lost the fight. compare that to Onoki.

at old age everything was his probblem.. he stated he was having problems lifting up enma when in his prime he didn't .. that's a strength decrease.. different people age in different ways right you do know that?

i agree, hashirama's hype doesn't invalidate or contradict minato and especially hiruzen's hype in the slightest.

Kabuto left room in hashirama's hype by saying there aren't ninja like hashirama ANYMORE. meaning that there are possibly dead shinobi who were stronger. And even then, I think Kabuto doesn't know just how strong Naruto is atm, or he wouldnt run his mouth so much.

Thank you, someone see's it.. its right there in bold, there aren't ninjas on his level around anymore, automatically excluding ninjas who were around anymore... he isn't some so6p beast you people make him out to be, he was just a high level kage, who had equals in combat..

 

[natssuu]

Please link me the interview or databook entry where kishi says HE changed his mind about his story...

LMAO , power comparable to s06p? his power was just unbelivable . m aking forests in seconds, bringing life to things, it was stuff out of a fairy tale..

so6p power? kabuto clearly states that there were other ninja on his level, who are not around anymore

go ahead, list the ninjas kabuto was refering to .. who are on hashirama's so called "so6p level"


you're telling me that there were many so6p level ninja???

you overate hashirama TOO much... Each hokage got their hype... Hiruzen first, then minato, tobirama got a little, and NOW hashirama is getting his hype....


hiruzen played his part in his arc.. he got his background story, his epic death moment.. the orochimaru invasion arc is OVER.... What other relevance does he play in the plot? why bring him up again? what more hype would he get?

Hiruzen lacked the OP powers that other strong characters have. He's definately the strongest character without a KG or a Tailed Beast, but that's it. Characters like Hashirama, Madara, Naruto, Itachi, Sasuke and Nagato can't be beaten by normal techniques.

It's opinion based question though.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Hashirama Senju > Hiruzen Sarutobi
If you disagree then do what you wish but you just wait till we get a flashback, then people like you are going to jump on his bandwagon.

 

[Owarij]

Hiruzen lacked the OP powers that other strong characters have. He's definately the strongest character without a KG or a Tailed Beast, but that's it. Characters like Hashirama, Madara, Naruto, Itachi, Sasuke and Nagato can't be beaten by normal techniques.

It's opinion based question though.

lmao , you're on of them who thinks you need a kkg or tailed beast to be extremely strong?

sasuke and nagato aren't hashirama... you also have NO idea what hiruzen's abilties are... and we know enma diamond staff mode was easily slicing through hashiramas wood.. we know hiruzen was a master of genjutsu and had over 1000 of them, so what? hashirama is immune to genjutsu right? sigh you people

 

[~Uzumaki~]

at old age everything was his probblem.. he stated he was having problems lifting up enma when in his prime he didn't .. that's a strength decrease.. different people age in different ways right you do know that?

if he really knew every jutsu in Konoha I can think of C RAnk or B Rank techs that would have been better than what he used against the Hokages like:
a barrier to defend himself when he was preparing Dead Demon Consuming seal
genjutsu to buy himself time to use the seal
another fuinnjutsu, maybe even the pathetic tag being used in this war,
jeez did it have to be the S-Rank Dead Demon Consuming Seal?
what if Orochimaru used Shadow clones or Hashirama used wood Clones or Tobirama used water clones, he'd seal a clone with the large chakra and S-level tech requires then get killed
BTW he didn't stop the third coffin, it just didn't work, i got a translation of the Japanese

 

[Owarij]

if he really knew every jutsu in Konoha I can think of C RAnk or B Rank techs that would have been better than what he used against the Hokages like:
a barrier to defend himself when he was preparing Dead Demon Consuming seal
genjutsu to buy himself time to use the seal
another fuinnjutsu, maybe even the -
pathetic tag being used in this war,
jeez.

a barrier? he needed to touch hold them to end it... a barrier would separate him from them... and reallly ? you do know of plot no jutsu right? i can go on and on about things kakashi could have done but didn't...