Yes, Yet another Hokage Comparison Thread

[Viewtiful]

Mmkay, I took about a month break from the site (and pretty much the 'Net in general) to take care of some stuff. Anyway, I'm back, so yeah. Noticed a lot of arguments about Hashirama this, Minato that. Naw son, I'm here to set things straight.

Okay, as I'm certain you've seen the translation of what Kishimoto has said about Hiruzen's strength at his peak, I don't see the need for me to post it for the umpteenth time...
Ah to hell with, I wouldn't be me if I didn't spam post this again:

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Page 117: "He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history." (「„プロフェッサー”と呼ばれたほどの天才忍者であり、歴代最強の火影として皆の尊敬を集め続ける。」, "'Purofessā' to yobareta hodo no tensai ninja de ari, rekidai saikyō no Hokage toshite mina no sonkei o atsume tsuzukeru")

Page 119: "'Strongest in history', 'genius', et cetera, the words used to describe the Third Hokage are filled with respect." (「„歴代最強”„天才”など、三代目火影を形容する言葉は賞賛に満ちている。」, "'Rekidai saikyō' 'tensai' nado, Sandaime Hokage o keiyōsuru kotoba wa shōsan ni michite iru.")

Page 265: "The Third is called the strongest, even among the past Hokage, and he is even admired as the 'God of Shinobi'." (「三代目は歴代火影の中でも最強と言われ、„忍の神”と謳われたことも。」, "Sandaime wa rekidai Hokage no naka demo saikyō to iware, 'Shinobi no Kami' to utawareta koto mo")

To my knowledge, both of the databooks following the 1st one state variations of the irrefutable fact that Hiruzen was indeed the strongest. Heck, Hashirama helped to train Hiruzen since he saw the potential he had. And as we've seen, the next generation unfailingly ends up surpassing its predecessor.
Hashirama was incredibly powerful. NO ONE is denying that; only a foo' would. It's just certain that at least two individuals were stronger than him.
His power was never compared to the Sage's. His power was said to have been thought of as a myth just as the Sage's existence was said to be.

Minato was also greatly hailed. A believed him to be unsurpassable, having faced him several times during the 3rd World War. I had a translator over on the wiki translate what Jiraiya says about Minato back in Part 1:

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"I'd say being compared to the Fourth would be harsh on anyone, right. Anyhow, that guy's calibre as a shinobi was number one in history… His brilliant mind was overflowing with talent for techniques… He had popularity galore. Well… he was as handsome a man as I am, no." (「四代目と比べられりゃ誰だってキツイだろーよ。なんせ あやつは忍としての器は歴代一だった…術の才に溢れ頭脳明晰…人望に満ち、まぁ…ワシ並みに男前だったしのォ」, "Yondaime to kuraberarerya dare datte kitsui darō yo. Nanse, ayatsu wa shinobi toshite no utsuwa wa rekidaiichi datta… Jutsu no sai ni afure zunō meiseki… Jinbō ni michi, maa… Washi nami ni otokomae datta shi no~")

I bolded the word "calibre", because it means the level of his ability. Better put as his potential I suppose. He may have become stronger than his immediate predecessor, but apparently didn't reach that level before his young death based on other sources. Anyway, Tsunade also agreed with this statement despite her attitude at the time in the story, so this can't be put off as Jiraiya's bias.


Basically, let's calm down. Just because Kishimoto has pumped up Hashirama's status doesn't negate like a decade of canon everyone. He has just been expanded upon. Heh, I'm certain that the next time Minato or perhaps Tobirama has his power elaborated on, more of you will jump on that bandwagon. I look forward to the certain hilarity I will get from the responses to this post.

 

[Unorthodox]

all the hokages are the strongest hokages

 

[Ambriel]

Hashirama is the strongest kage

 

[Viewtiful]

all the hokages are the strongest hokages

I'm referring to the strength of the Hokage in comparison to each other.

Hashirama is the strongest kage

Thanks for that riveting post. It was well thought and and written, with proof and lacking of bias.
/obvious sarcasm

 

[Yondaime Namikaze]

In order :
Hashirama
Minato
Tobirama/Hiruzen
Tsunade

But im not saying that they are way weaker than the person above them
They're all monster but some are just scarier than others

 

[Unorthodox]

well i say minato cause hes the only one that has not lost a fight yet

 

[BasedNaruto]

This seems famillar?

People say who's strongest based off of what they hear, so i pretty much agree.

I say the strongest hokage is Kishimoto..

 

[Viewtiful]

well i say minato cause hes the only one that has not lost a fight yet

Do you consider Hiruzen to have lost against Oro? He did the same thing Minato did against Kurama? Not trying to dog you, just wondering. Minato's one of my favorite characters after all.

 

[sVPunisher]

Minato if he lived longer would have been the strongest. Kabuto said no one was on the 1st level anymore because Hiruzen and Minato were dead. Enough said.

 

[Yondaime Namikaze]

Do you consider Hiruzen to have lost against Oro? He did the same thing Minato did against Kurama? Not trying to dog you, just wondering. Minato's one of my favorite characters after all.

Yea he lost the thing is there was no other choice for hiruzen where as minato had other options he just choose the one that would grant his son the most power

Hiruzen was surely dead if he didnt use that

 

[Ambriel]

Thanks for that riveting post. It was well thought and and written, with proof and lacking of bias.
/obvious sarcasm

Look what Hashirama mokuton created in a instant, plus kabuto said he power was like a fairytale no one compared any other kages to the sage

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[Viewtiful]

Look what Hashirama mokuton created in a instant, plus kabuto said he power was like a fairytale no one compared any other kages to the sage

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Ah, ignorance. You obviously didn't read my OP (carefully). In the actual Japanese, Kabuto says Hashirama's strength was a "fairy tale", just like the EXISTENCE, not strength, of the Sage's. No such comparison is there.

 

[Yondaime Namikaze]

Ah, ignorance. You obviously didn't read my OP (carefully). In the actual Japanese, Kabuto says Hashirama's strength was a "fairy tale", just like the EXISTENCE, not strength, of the Sage's. No such comparison is there.

None the less saying taht his power was a fairy tale implies that his strength was something amazing and stories had spread ... In a time of constant war and battles he was named as the strongest shinobi
WHAT BEATS THAT?:shrug:

 

[Viewtiful]

None the less saying taht his power was a fairy tale implies that his strength was something amazing and stories had spread ... In a time of constant war and battles he was named as the strongest shinobi
WHAT BEATS THAT?:shrug:

Kabuto's statement also said that there once WERE shinobi who were on or possibly above him.
And How about the fact that Hiruzen shared the nickname "God of Shinobi" with the Sage of the Six Paths himself?
And anyway, several ninjas had their strength truly revered.
According to Minato, Sakumo (Kakashi's father) was hailed beyond even the Sannin.
Tobirama was the most powerful ninja in the world after his brother made him 2nd Hokage and died.
The threat of Madara lured the 5 Great Nations and the Land of Iron into another word war.
Minato was said to have the potential to become the strongest ninja in history.
And so on and so forth.

 

[partha420]

1.Hashirama
2.Minato/Hiruzen

Hashirama keeps top position.The madara+kyubi thing is such a lot.And minato did the same fighting tobi+kyubi,if minato didnt die that day, i would say hashirama=minato

 

[Naruto Ninetails]

Of course

 

[MrLukyso]

Hashirama was, is and will be the strongest Kage. Remember that.

 

[BloodSeed]

minato is better than hiruzen IMO
reasons he doesnt even reach its prime but he is almost equal or greater that hiruzens prime

 

[Viewtiful]

Hashirama was, is and will be the strongest Kage. Remember that.

And when that's ever stated, as opposed to Hiruzen > Hashirama having already been stated many times over the last decade, I'll be sure to remember that.

 

[BloodSeed]

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''People that heard about his strength consider him a fairy tale just like the Rikduou sennin'

rikodo sinin existence was considered a fairy tail
hashirama's strength was considered a fairy tail
ive wonder why people failed to understand this and think hes strenght is equal to the rikodo

and why dont people used their brain in this question
"why those characters refer to him as stronges ONLY in his time NOT ALL TIME"??
"what stops hashirama to be called strongest shinobi of ALL TIME"
because someone is stronger than him.

i believe minato >= prime hiruzen

thats what i believe if you apply the next generation surpasses the one before them. MINATO>HIRUZEN>HASHIRAMA
tsunade is a special case since she's not the original hokage to be selected
and minato is the younger so he surpasses the sannins.
jiraiya was not ment to be the hokage so he does not surppased hiruzen in his prime
orochimaru....hmmmm what happen here ... he got potential as stated by hiruzen to inherit his will but he got twisted thats why he is a wasted talent he also fail. its clear that minato>orochimaru since oro stated that if it was 10 years earlier he would lose to hiruzen. and when the 9tails attack minato is ovbious that he is stronger that hiruzen that time
tobirama.. i cant tell if tobirama is > hashi if i apply the generetions surpasses nxt blah blah thing since they are at thesame generations

so thats it heres my list
4th=3rdprime>1st/2nd
minato should surpassed hiruzens prime but died too young.

so 4th>3rd

and thats why as said by kakashi its only naruto who he thinks that can only surpass the 4th

and 4th raikage thinks he(4th was unsurpassable) note: 3rd raikage and 3rd hokage WAS alive that time.

and why would anyone AIM AT HIS LEVEL when HASHIRAMA MADARA HIRUZEN ITACHI was STRONGER than him??? why would they just aim for someone that are more stronger than MINATO??? why would naruto looked up at him when his not the strongest?

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