t's offical, Kakashi and Gai have surpassed the sannin

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lets not talk about J-man cos kakashi could not even last against one pein, but gai is really strong and a most underrated character, i think he is at sannin level and kakashi too but not over and please oro lost to the 3rd hokage who is not a push over. so i say that they are at sannin level...
 

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I wrote how I think they work? I wrote how they effing work!!! Kishi made these rules, he put them down in the manga, I didn't just make these up off the top of my head. You are the most insane person ever.

How am I grasping at straws? I have only put down hard facts from the manga and databook and you have come up with? A quote that quite literally has nothing but baseless claims that make no sense?


EDIT: I want everyone to read this manga page and the link to Narutopedia. I couldn't find the databook page (mostly because I am too lazy), but I know what it says because I have read it before, and Narutopedia also has access to it.

FROM NARUTOPEDIA
The Eight Gates are eight specific points on a person's Chakra Pathway System. They limit the overall flow of chakra within a person's body. The basis for the idea of the chakra gates comes from the body's limits on the functions within it. This makes the body much weaker, but it keeps the body from expiring too soon. By undergoing intense training, one can learn how to open these gates allowing the user to surpass their own physical limits at the cost of extreme damage to their own body.

The Gate of Opening (開門, Kaimon), located in the brain. This gate removes the restraints of the brain on the muscles so their strength can be used whereas normally, a person can only use 20% of their muscles' strength to keep them from disintegrating. Unlocking this gate allows the user to use the Front Lotus.

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I only put the parts that pertained to exactly what I said. The gates are chakra points limiting a ninja's chakra. Ninjas use 20% of their chakra normally, and 10% for each gate opened.

Derp a derp. Next time you want to argue against someone you might want to do some fact checking. It might save you from getting publicly embarrassed by your complete lack of intelligence and refusal to acknowledge when you have been bested.

Face it, the gates are overrated. They are limited by the user's total chakra, chakra control (as better chakra control results in more speed and strength), and the user's speed and strength before opening the gates.

While Guy and Lee have some speed and strength before opening the gates, they can literally never compete with someone like the raikage, Jiraiya (in SM), Naruto, Bee, or Tsunade for strength.

It isn't my opinion it is just fact. Go on, try and argue with me now. I dare you. :scorps:

Your points in bold are based on Falsifications,lies and specualtion it's alll what you do.
He even dare to falsificate the first gate.

The real definition of 1st gate :

The Gate of Opening (開門, Kaimon), located in the brain. This gate removes the restraints of the brain on the muscles so 100% of their strength can be used whereas normally, a person can only use 20% of their muscles' strength to keep them from disintegrating. Unlocking this gate allows the user to use the Front Lotus.

Please leave this forum and never come back .
 
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Jiraya almost died against 4 tail naruto yet kakashi and gai are taking on multiple bijuu in their full forms, it´s obvious who´s better.
I was very surprised the first time because i found it strange like "shouldn´t the bijuus whoop them?" and now i finally remembered why i thought like that, it´s because both oro and j-man almost died against 4-tail naruto yet the eternal rivals are holding their own against alot of bijuus.
They´ve surpassed the sannins and anyone who says otherwise is trolling.
 

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I can't compare them to Jiraiya yet. They're hands down better than Orochimaru. Count how many fights we've seen him win throughout the story. Tsunade might have a good fighting chance because she hits hard enough to create craters
 

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+ rep. Actually loll'd although that isnt true.
You shouldve used chiyo instead xd
Well, did you see how the sannin all have that air of arrogant attitude about everything when they were first introduced, Tsunade called Itachi and Kisame low-lifes when she herself lost to Kabuto.
In shippuden Itachi and Kisame would´ve owned her with ease.
J-man and oro almost died cuz of 4-tail naruto yet kakashi and Gai were holding their own against 5 full-bijuus.

Ps: You haven´t +rep´d me.
 

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First of all I would like to say that I am big fan of Jman ( you can guess that :p )
But i am also a big of Kakashi , he reminds of his sensei Minato :)

I don't think Kakashi or guy have surpassed Orochimaru or Jman but maybe Tsunade ( battle ) .
People saying that guy is really strong because he beat the great Hoshigaki Kisame with his gate 7 so he can beat almost everyone. That is wrong ! Kisame's style of fighting is based on soaking up all of the opponents chakra hense making him vulnerable. Guy is the perfect man to beat kisame because he uses only taijutsu so not needing chakra. And even his long range attacks don't need chakra ( Hiru Dora ).
Kakashi has improved alot stamina vise in Part 2 and is very smart but I still think Jman is still stronger ( sage mode etc )
Orochimaru is a genius and is practically unbeatble . His stamina is uncomparable too .

I think Orochimaru and Jman if they were fighting in this war for the allied forces would help alot more than guy and kakashi. They have this Aura , they ARE the Legendary Sannin ! I think they would be more important than the Kages. This is what they are ! You can't compare kakashi or GUy to Oro or Jman , not yet !
 

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First of all I would like to say that I am big fan of Jman ( you can guess that :p )
But i am also a big of Kakashi , he reminds of his sensei Minato :)

I don't think Kakashi or guy have surpassed Orochimaru or Jman but maybe Tsunade ( battle ) .
People saying that guy is really strong because he beat the great Hoshigaki Kisame with his gate 7 so he can beat almost everyone. That is wrong ! Kisame's style of fighting is based on soaking up all of the opponents chakra hense making him vulnerable. Guy is the perfect man to beat kisame because he uses only taijutsu so not needing chakra. And even his long range attacks don't need chakra ( Hiru Dora ).
Kakashi has improved alot stamina vise in Part 2 and is very smart but I still think Jman is still stronger ( sage mode etc )
Orochimaru is a genius and is practically unbeatble . His stamina is uncomparable too .

I think Orochimaru and Jman if they were fighting in this war for the allied forces would help alot more than guy and kakashi. They have this Aura , they ARE the Legendary Sannin ! I think they would be more important than the Kages. This is what they are ! You can't compare kakashi or GUy to Oro or Jman , not yet !
If Kakashi use Kamui then J-man is ****ed, same goes for Gai if he goes 7-gates.
 

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In comparison..... Kakashi died fighting one path of pain and caused no damage to pain.... While j man took on them all at once and took two down.... They are not in same league....
 

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i thought you were going to say they've become the Krillins of the manga, in that, despite their very best efforts and amazing personal accomplishments, they can't ever reach the level of the primary players of the manga any longer. Now, if you were saying that, I'd be on board, seeing as the core characters of the manga are getting inconceivably OP, leaving all other formerly major characters to quietly accept being downgraded to supporting cast.
 
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