Technically, it's not 'his' power as it belongs to someone else. Therefore it's not included as a base ability as it has to belong solely to naruto himself. It's just like curse mark Sasuke. The power didn't originate from him, so therefore it's not his own ability.
If your really going to use summons as a way to take a way from Naruto's achievements, then Jiraiya doesn't beat anyone on his ow . He is jonin level although I'm not sure he would beat Asuma in base mode.
Beating a jonin does not make him jonin level. Leading a team is one of the important parts too. We have never seen Naruto complete his own mission. Naruto cannot teach anyone the ninja arts like genjutsu, taijutsu, and kinjutsu because he does not know enough about it himself. And were not even going to get started on teaching element release. And base Jiraiya can summon frogs with no problem. Beating people up is not the only aspect of being a jonin.
The question is not whether he could be a jonin, it is whether he is on the lvl of a jonin which he is. I agree with you on the point that he probably couldn't be jonin as he doesn't have all of the attributes which I did say in my post but he is on the level of a jonin in terms of skills
Its called quick thinking.
He may have used shunshin jutsu which would have increased his speed. It doesnt mean that he is fast. He is not noted in any way to be fast by any character or by kishimoto in his base form.
Temporarily. That doesn't mean he is shikamaru's level of intellect as he does not continually perform these acts on a regular basis.
In the end, the trick didn't work. He was able to hit the deva path because he wasn't able to recharge his shinra tensei attack in time. Naruto just outlasted him.
He doesn't have to prepare any battlefield. He is very well capable of, and demonstrated quite a few times, thinking up plans during battle. Also, each naruto clone is not very smart as they are usually dispersed easily by any skilled shinobi so their effectiveness is only useful against less competent foes.
He could use ninja tools. He has done so in many of his battles and could use anything to his advantage. He could even use a tactical retreat to help him if necessary.
There is nothing that indicates that he is any smarter than Guy, Orochimaru, or Pain. Orochimaru is actually another tactical genius that naruto never defeated using sheer intellect. Naruto's intelligence is not that high compared to other highly skill shinobi such as Orochimaru, Shikamaru, Kakashi, Neji, Kakuzu, Kabuto, Tobi, Sasuke, Itachi, Minato, etc. He simply isn't capable of thinking on their level.
He has never done so on a regular basis like Kakashi or Shikamaru or any other skilled ninja noted for their abilities and/or intellect. Even asuma showed a great amount of intelligence and insight against Kakuzu and Hidan
I didn't say that he couldn't. Actually, the frogs were reverse summoned by ma while she was in the village. And what we are referring to is naruto's abilities alone and by himself. Jiraiya himself could defeat many dozens of ninja alone without summonings to assist him, and usually uses it when dealing with high level shinobi.
It's not about just teaching, but being able lead people and make decisions without relying on emotions.
Jonins do A and S rank missions so your still suggesting that he is more of a Chunin than a Jonin. And what more can he teach konohamaru? The bulk of Naruto's jutsu requires multiple shadow clones and massive chakra which konohamaru doesn't have.
Quick thinking has nothing to do with creating a clone in a blink of an eye and catching sword with bare hands without hurting himself.
Lol so what? Guys like A or Itachi are also relying on their Shunshins. Minato is relying on Shunshin and FTG. Does that mean they arent fast?
But he has proven to be quite fast when he saved Sakura. Feats > words.
He defeated them becuase of that.
Who said he is on Shikamarus level? He isnt, but he still is very good strategist. Besides, hes coming with good strategies in every one of his battles.
He woudnt have time to do that while facing Naruto and hole bunch of his shadow clones.
And Shikamaru is one of those less competent foes. His shadow is far from being enough to catch and hold everyone of Narutos clones.
Actually, manga itself indicates that. He has good strategic feats, they doesnt.
Oro being a tactical genius? He has no feats in that area. He had been constantly trolled thoughout his life.
Nobody would be able to defeat someone using only sheer intellect.
Naruto is stupid when in daily life, but during combat hes very smart.
Manga proves you wrong. Naruto outsmarted Kakuzu and Neji.
Naruto proves his intellect during every one of battles. He has proven to be quite fast, have good Taijutsu and great skill with shadow clones and transformation jutsus. Its enough to put his in Jounin tier.
He never displayed anything better than Naruto, both in intelligence and strenght.
true, but multiple jonin work together on certain missions, and he could teach konohamru how to better work with his clones etc. And he could teach him to summon, heck maybe even a few more basic ninja techs, point is I believe he's jonin, low level in certain situations, but he could be a jonin, he's just not the type to be a team leader on an s ranked mission
Not to mention that entire fight he was only base mode and Kakashi said himself Naruto had surpassed him.Well that S- Rank tech makes him loads strongerhe took two of kakuzu's hearts in a single blow , unlike kakashi who is a jonin
Yes the basic ninja techs. His stealth is sub standard. His tracking is above average. He couldn't teach fire release, and summoning would depend on Konohamaru's chakra reserves. And Naruto has to be able to lead an S ranked mission. He would also need to be able to do one by himself in some cases.
How many jutsu could Neji teach? Is gai smarter than shikamaru? what has gai taught ten ten? what was Asuma's stealth factor? ppl raise the bar for naruto, and ninja in general when trying to judge whether or not anyone's a jonin. and his tracking is better than most when he uses sagemode
Seeing as Neji is a genius he could probably teach a lot. Gai is not smarter than Shikamaru but Shikamaru is already at the level of jonin. Also we don't know what Gai has taught Tenten. Asuma's stealth factor is pretty high as he was able to sneak up on a ninja team that was about to kill Shikamaru. I have not raised the bar for Naruto, all I am telling you is facts. His tracking is good but his stealth is terrible, you can't have one without the other.
