Base Naruto Jonin lvl ??

[fastrthnwind]

First of all, this wasnt battle, only very short skirmish, and Naruto was forced to help Sakura. So once again... its not like someone helped him to make shadow clone in a blink of an eye and catch that sword. Feat is a feat, and you cant deny that.

I do not care about 'feats' per say, but this battle, however long it lasted had shown naruto's taijutsu abilities, which is nothing great as most ninjas are fairly capable of doing what naruto did himself.

That is non factor here, since Sasukes kunai was alredy coming to Sakuras throath. So its not different from situation with Minato and Tobi.

It is a factor as no one was expecting him to appear. With Tobi, He expected for Minato to save his son, but he did so with such speed that he was praised for his abilities. Naruto was undetected as it came down so he was able to save her without saskue and kakashi knowing. Plus, I believe that while he was running, he was in sage mode to help him speed up.

At that point his enemies had already intel on Naruto, so it was fair. Those strategies were successful becuase blondie simply outsmarted them.

Naruto had assistance in nearly all of his fights. He either had Shikamaru, Kakashi, or Sasuke. All of them are much smarter than Naruto.

Nobody is gonna to but base Naruto against Itachi or Minato, but he surely would be able to defeat Shikamaru. Narutos battle intelligence is much, much better than avarage.

Shikamaru actually has better chances of winning against base mode naruto because he is really that smart. He could think of many strategies and use them to defeat naruto. It all goes back to brains over brawn. In this case naruto isn't all that powerful and isn't very intelligent. Shikamaru, while he isn't all that powerful either, is an analytical genius. He would see through all of naruto's plans and be able to counter accordingly

 

[~Yubel~]

Base Naruto Withstood Deva's ST, Base Naruto Killed Kakuzu

Now Kakashi is the highest height of all Jounins i.e. almost a Kage and Base Naruto has already surpassed him.

So Base Naruto is almost Kage lvl.

With SM he surpasses the Kages [Note : his SM is Different than Jiraya's Incomplete SM]

With KM he is on par with Hashirama and Edo Madara

With BM he surpasses the 2 sons and is second to only SOSP.

You are so wrong, kakashi would kill base naruto easy! Don´t refer back to that little match they had at beginning of shippuden!
Kakashi was just playing with them, in a real fight, kakashi would kill them!

Also, naruto is only stronger then Tsunade and Mei in sage mode as far as i´m concerned, A, Oonoki and Gaara would all kill him!
Jiraiya took out 3 pains while in sage mode while not having intel.

Naruto took them out but it was with intel and pain didn´t want to kill naruto + Nagato was already tired of using that shinra tensei and still Pain technically won because he would´ve captured naruto if it hadn´t been for kyuubi which he had to rely on once again.

In KM, he´s stronger then most kages although he would beat them with high difficulty.

In BM, he´s matching Madara and Tobi in terms of power.

Stop overating naruto!

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Is he Jonin lvl in base mode???.....Easily

He is about kage lvl in base mode

 

[Bgkiller]

Base naruto is jounin level, i couldn't see him anything lower no matter what atm.

 

[RAMKAD]

Any way he beat . one shot kakuzu in basemode and kakuzu went against the 1st hokage and survived. That has to be above jounin level.

 

[Turson]

I do not care about 'feats' per say, but this battle, however long it lasted had shown naruto's taijutsu abilities, which is nothing great as most ninjas are fairly capable of doing what naruto did himself.

That was Jounin level skill, thats all Im saying.

It is a factor as no one was expecting him to appear.

It isnt factor, since Sasukes kunai was already coming to Sakuras throath.

Naruto was undetected

That only proves that he was fast, nothing less.

Plus, I believe that while he was running, he was in sage mode to help him speed up.

He was travelling to them in SM, but he saved Sakura in base.

Naruto had assistance in nearly all of his fights. He either had Shikamaru, Kakashi, or Sasuke. All of them are much smarter than Naruto.

He came up with plan against Zabuza by himself. Same can be said about Kakuzu and Pain.

Shikamaru actually has better chances of winning against base mode naruto because he is really that smart.

Shikamaru would be overwhelmed by Narutos clones. He cant catch all of them with his shadow, his struggle against Hidan tells that much, and he cant tell which Naruto is the original one.

It all goes back to brains over brawn. In this case naruto isn't all that powerful and isn't very intelligent.

Like I said, he is very smart when it comes to battle. And nobody is saying that base Naruto is very powerful, but hes still Jounin level. He isnt weaker than Asuma, thats for sure.

 

[Lucidus]

i agree that he is jounin in base however i disagree when u say he has a wide range of techs however in a full scale battle he wouldnt out do kakashi or guy but defo low jonin

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Base Naruto is high chunin at best. No chakra cloak. No Sage mode. No Bijuu

He doesn't have many wind jutsu. He only has one element. He still can't lead a team in missions which is what a chunin needs to be able to do. He sucks at releasing genjutsu. He does not have jonin level taijutsu. Rasenshuriken would hurt him, and base clones were pretty much useless against Kakashi even with rasengan.

His fighting skills are jonin level but not Naruto as a whole.

 

[Dantee]

Base Naruto is high chunin at best. No chakra cloak. No Sage mode. No Bijuu

He doesn't have many wind jutsu. He only has one element. He still can't lead a team in missions which is what a chunin needs to be able to do. He sucks at releasing genjutsu. He does not have jonin level taijutsu. Rasenshuriken would hurt him, and base clones were pretty much useless against Kakashi even with rasengan.

His fighting skills are jonin level but not Naruto as a whole.

A Naruto fan not overrating Naruto. I am suprised There is still hope for this base

 

[home]

yeah i reckon base=jounin

 

[Turson]

His fighting skills are jonin level but not Naruto as a whole.

Why not? Base Naruto isnt weaker than Asuma, and hes very smart in combat.

 

[fastrthnwind]

That was Jounin level skill, thats all Im saying.

Exaclty how is it a jounin level skill?

It isnt factor, since Sasukes kunai was already coming to Sakuras throath.

Because of that, all attention was focused on her and no one was able to detect naruto coming up to save her

That only proves that he was fast, nothing less.

It wasn't because he was fast, it was because no one knew that he was there

He was travelling to them in SM, but he saved Sakura in base.

While true, he might have turned it off or possibly reached the limit of that mode

He came up with plan against Zabuza by himself. Same can be said about Kakuzu and Pain.

I said nearly all of his fights, when he fought Zabuza and Kakuzu he showed how clever he could be with his shadow clones, but that doesn't mean that he is overall smarter. He did the same tricks with several other people. In the Pain fight, he had ma, pa, and several boss summons to aide him.

Shikamaru would be overwhelmed by Narutos clones. He cant catch all of them with his shadow, his struggle against Hidan tells that much, and he cant tell which Naruto is the original one.

He could leave traps that would take out all of the clones such as paper bombs and other various ninja tools. He isn't limited to just his shadow jutsus as he is known to take advantage of anything useful, including his surroundings. Again, he won't know, but he could eventually outsmart naruto the way that naruto does to his opponents as he is a more clever person than even naruto himself.

Like I said, he is very smart when it comes to battle. And nobody is saying that base Naruto is very powerful, but hes still Jounin level. He isnt weaker than Asuma, thats for sure.

When it comes to battle, he is clever, but he doesn't usually think ahead much. He usually charges in headfirst towards a his opponent recklessly and ends up getting hurt because of it. Many people are overestimating his base abilities and intelligence and saying that he is a jounin because of it. Besides his chakra reserves, in base form, he hasn't demonstrated on a frequent basis abilities and intelligence that are very impressive.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Why not? Base Naruto isnt weaker than Asuma, and hes very smart in combat.

Asuma took out a team of chunins and jonins alone.

Base Naruto has never defeated anyone without assistance from Kyuubi

 

[Turson]

Asuma took out a team of chunins and jonins alone.

They were some fodders, Asuma was getting his ass kicked by Hidan even though he had back up from Shikamaru...

 

[fastrthnwind]

Asuma took out a team of chunins and jonins alone.

Base Naruto has never defeated anyone without assistance from Kyuubi

Actually he has, but usually with assistance from others who are with him.

Zabuza-Team 7

Kakuzu-Kakashi and Asuma's team

Pain-Frog Summons

 

[Memoria]

Asuma took out a team of chunins and jonins alone.

Base Naruto has never defeated anyone without assistance from Kyuubi

Well it's his own power, it's like how Sasuke has Sharingan, Neji has Byakugan, Bee has Hachibi... etc
Naruto is a perfect Jinchuuriki now that him and the Kyuubi are partners, Minato sealed the beast inside of him believing that someday he would control its power, so it's his gifted power and no one can deny it.

@Topic: I agree.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

They were some fodders, Asuma was getting his ass kicked by Hidan even though he had back up from Shikamaru...

They were still chunin and jonin. And Hidan is above jonin level.

Actually he has, but usually with assistance from others who are with him.

Zabuza-Team 7

Kakuzu-Kakashi and Asuma's team

Pain-Frog Summons

Thats my point though, he couldn't do it alone. Also base Naruto can't summon big frogs. And he was in Sage mode when he fought Pain.

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

Well it's his own power, it's like how Sasuke has Sharingan, Neji has Byakugan, Bee has Hachibi... etc
Naruto is a perfect Jinchuuriki now that him and the Kyuubi are partners, Minato sealed the beast inside of him believing that someday he would control its power, so it's his gifted power and no one can deny it.

@Topic: I agree.

Yes but I think the OP meant without the chakra cloak

 

[Naruto Uzumaki Bijuu Sage]

Naruto Base = Low Jonin Level or very high chunin level
Naruto Sage mode = very high Jonin Level Or Low Kage level
Naruto Km = med kage Level
Naruto Bm = Very High Kage Level
Naruto Sm + Bm = Above Kage Level ( this one is ist a prediction of how strong his new bm + sm will be... Thats if he even gets it )..

 

[Turson]

Exaclty how is it a jounin level skill?

Creating a clone in a blink of a second and catching sword with bare hands without hurting himself? I cant call it any other way.

Because of that, all attention was focused on her and no one was able to detect naruto coming up to save her

That doenst change the fact that Naruto had to be fast simply becuase Sasukes kunai was already coming at Sakuras throath.

I said nearly all of his fights, when he fought Zabuza and Kakuzu he showed how clever he could be with his shadow clones, but that doesn't mean that he is overall smarter.

At that time he outsmarted his enemies, and it didnt matter what he used to do that.

In the Pain fight, he had ma, pa, and several boss summons to aide him.

I talking about how he tricked Deva path at the end of the battle.

He could leave traps that would take out all of the clones such as paper bombs and other various ninja tools.

I dont think we are talking about battle with preparations. During Chuunin exams Genins are not allowed to prepare battlefield to their liking. Besides, each one of Naruto clone is far more dangerous that any ninja tool.

Again, he won't know, but he could eventually outsmart naruto the way that naruto does to his opponents as he is a more clever person than even naruto himself.

Thing is, Shikamaru is not strong enough to hold against Naruto and shitload of his clones. Being able to catch all of them is simply impossible for him.

When it comes to battle, he is clever, but he doesn't usually think ahead much.

Hes way smarter than Gai. He has way better strategic feats than Orochimaru or Pain.

in base form, he hasn't demonstrated on a frequent basis abilities and intelligence that are very impressive.

Actually, he has demonstrated both. Like I said, he isnt weaker than Asuma, and is even more clever than him in combat.