How Hashirama can defend/counter the six paths.

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I am the one who exaggerates no all i did was stated that nagato and his summons are blinded by his bringer of darkness jutsu and this puts him in a vulnerable position. please man nagato can use all paths at one go and such nonsense, he only got hit by totsuka and other attacks is plot no jutsu when kabuto clearly stated the reason makes it pretty clear. You nagato fans are the ones who have to brought back to what to reality.


EDIT: To that thread yes the jutsu is not perfect but if we are only talking about nagato, it doesnt change the fact of the matter his paths arent going to be used affciently since he does not know where his opponents are. he is still very vulnerable to a killing blow as such as i showed you proof countless timed of nagato without his other sights


itachi easily got him and this sue to his weakness that without his shared vision he is vulnerable to attacks.

AND no its not plot no jutsu when kabuto specifically describes it here



And in nagato's case as soon as hashi uses his bringer of darkness he has no line of sight unlike itachi's attack where he still had his own vision intact. Hashi has a good tech against nagato's biggest weakness and thats why i think he wins if he is fast effective in delivering the killing blow.

Yes he is vurnerable for attack when it is first activated. But are you forgetting that it has a range and with nagatos summoning out he can easily escape the range. Not only that he caneasily use deva path to fly above the tecchnique. The only thing u have is that Harishima will attack as soon as he uses it and nagato won't be able to react in time.
 

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-Looks like your admitting your wrong and you fail for making this thread?

- You mean we destroyed ur bringer of darkness will pwn Nagato theory??
you didnt destroy any theories all u did was speculate lol and just said nagato can see chakra thus he cant be hit by hashi's techs when he is blind. when the manga clearly contradicts you

Such as itachi hitting him totsuka and nagato could not react or even use any of his techs due to his lack of shared vision


and kabuto here explains in detail


I love how you just twist words of others and make bs claims.
 

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Yes he is vurnerable for attack when it is first activated. But are you forgetting that it has a range and with nagatos summoning out he can easily escape the range. Not only that he caneasily use deva path to fly above the tecchnique. The only thing u have is that Harishima will attack as soon as he uses it and nagato won't be able to react in time.
why should he not deliver a killing blow very fast. his techs are very fast. And the summons also cant see so it also gives hashi the advantage in easily restrain them with mokuton and only one really flies out of them all.

And wasnt the fact that he cant react in time lead to his death as seen here
 

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Yes he is vurnerable for attack when it is first activated. But are you forgetting that it has a range and with nagatos summoning out he can easily escape the range. Not only that he caneasily use deva path to fly above the tecchnique. The only thing u have is that Harishima will attack as soon as he uses it and nagato won't be able to react in time.
Thats cool and all, but 1st, how would Nagato know to fly out of range, he dosent know what that jutsu is seeing how the 1st/2nd have been the only ones shown to use it. Thats like saying, anyone can escape genjutsu as along as they run from it, if thats the case, then genjutsu would be pointless. That was a really dumb comeback. And if there is range, Hashirama obviously mastered the technique and wouldnt just use it on a whim like you think he might/

Also, once nagato is caught in the genjutsu, hashi can then wrap him in the roots and crush him.

But as I have said MANY times...wait till the manga reveals more. Jeezus..thats like saying Tsunade can beat the 2nd Hokage just because she has shown to do more in the story..that is just stupid.
 

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why should he not deliver a killing blow very fast. his techs are very fast. And the summons also cant see so it also gives hashi the advantage in easily restrain them with mokuton and only one really flies out of them all.

And wasnt the fact that he cant react in time lead to his death as seen here
You forgot Kabuto was controlling easily limiting his movement and powers. He also ended chibaku tensei which takes a toll of chakra. How do you know where his summoning animals will be. Are you saying Hashi will be able to use bringer of darkness on the animals at the same time. Don't be ridiculous.

I don't twist anything calling it like it see it.\



Thats cool and all, but 1st, how would Nagato know to fly out of range, he dosent know what that jutsu is seeing how the 1st/2nd have been the only ones shown to use it. Thats like saying, anyone can escape genjutsu as along as they run from it, if thats the case, then genjutsu would be pointless. That was a really dumb comeback. And if there is range, Hashirama obviously mastered the technique and wouldnt just use it on a whim like you think he might/

Also, once nagato is caught in the genjutsu, hashi can then wrap him in the roots and crush him.

But as I have said MANY times...wait till the manga reveals more. Jeezus..thats like saying Tsunade can beat the 2nd Hokage just because she has shown to do more in the story..that is just stupid.
Do you think Nagato would just sit there staring at the darkness. If the roots attack him he can always still asorb them.

Really if you don't agree with the making of this thread because of the specualation I don't see why you troll all these pages
 
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You forgot Kabuto was controlling easily limiting his movement and powers. He also ended chibaku tensei which takes a toll of chakra. How do you know where his summoning animals will be. Are you saying Hashi will be able to use bringer of darkness on the animals at the same time. Don't be ridiculous.

I don't twist anything calling it like it see it.
no he doesnt have to use it seperately anyone in the range are under its influence. Enma(monkey summon) was with hiruzen what do u think he put another genjutsu on enma no both were affected since they were under the genjutsu range simultaneously. And the summons appaer near nagato not lke 100 feet away from him

Didnt i tell you to stop speculating its not due to chakra toll that nagato died but due to the blinding of his paths.

HE clearly states it here
 
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You forgot Kabuto was controlling easily limiting his movement and powers. He also ended chibaku tensei which takes a toll of chakra. How do you know where his summoning animals will be. Are you saying Hashi will be able to use bringer of darkness on the animals at the same time. Don't be ridiculous.

I don't twist anything calling it like it see it.\





Do you think Nagato would just sit there staring at the darkness. If the roots attack him he can always still asorb them.

Really if you don't agree with the making of this thread because of the specualation I don't see why you troll all these pages
again he doesnt have to do all that he just has to give a killing blow, if hashi's tech just pierces him he is dead similar to the totsuka situation. he just needs to give a killing blow he is dead not really gonna absorb stuff after that.
 

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You forgot Kabuto was controlling easily limiting his movement and powers. He also ended chibaku tensei which takes a toll of chakra. How do you know where his summoning animals will be. Are you saying Hashi will be able to use bringer of darkness on the animals at the same time. Don't be ridiculous.

I don't twist anything calling it like it see it.\





Do you think Nagato would just sit there staring at the darkness. If the roots attack him he can always still asorb them.

Really if you don't agree with the making of this thread because of the specualation I don't see why you troll all these pages
Oh boy, I was just saying...
he can use a sword and then cut off his head, or use his brute strength and finish him off, or use a different jutsu that he has that he used against madara that hasnt been shown yet. But all Im saying is once Nagato is caught, I dont see how he'll break out. He's no sharingan user. sooo...:flaw:
 

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Hashirama is physically stronger than Nagato, being direct decendant of the SO6P, and tremendous chakra reserves. He can stop the summons easily, so shut that sh!t up. As for Rockets and missles and shi. That could be a problem, seeing how data on hashirama is restricted, I dont know how he'd defend against attacks like that, block with some sort of mokuten? any other path will be delt with easily. I mean, Sage mode Naruto can deal with them, i dont see why hashirama cant, unless of course, sage mode naruto can beat Hashi. Create a massive wave of roots, it can be absorbed, but then create the giant forest, put them to sleep...bringer of darkness, block their vision..shinra tensei...could work, but i wouldnt put it past that he can withstand its force like 6 tailed naruto did. Seems that being a direct decendant from SO6P is a big deal in the story.
 

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no he doesnt have to use it seperately anyone in the range are under its influence[/B]. Enma(monkey summon) was with hiruzen what do u think he put another genjutsu on enma no both were affected since they were under the genjutsu range simultaneously. And the summons appaer near nagato not lke 100 feet away from him

Didnt i tell you to stop speculating its not due to chakra toll that nagato died but due to the blinding of his paths.

HE clearly states it here



Exactly so your assuming the paths animals will be in the same range as Nagato. Ill go along with u sense this is a close range battle then. Nagato dojutsu will easily allow him to see the incoming attacks. Ableing him to asorb the attack or counter with deva path.



Nagato is not able to move because of the Gedo Mazo taking out his legs when he used it against hanzo. If we were talking about healthy NAgato it would be a completely different story.
 

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Exactly so your assuming the paths animals will be in the same range as Nagato. Ill go along with u sense this is a close range battle then. Nagato dojutsu will easily allow him to see the incoming attacks. Ableing him to asorb the attack or counter with deva path.



Nagato is not able to move because of the Gedo Mazo taking out his legs when he used it against hanzo. If we were talking about healthy NAgato it would be a completely different story.
are you serious do you not understand that when nagato use his summons they pop up right next to him. Which means they too will be in the genjutsu like nagato and hashi has the advantage since they would be blind to easily restrain them lol.

Are you serious nagato just sees attacks due to his dojutsu no he doesnt he uses his shared vision for that purpose and if its gone he doesnt have that ability. HE would be blind. And like i showed you b4 he is vulnearable to attacks when he is like that and as seen here



if nagato can just see alll attacks why does he use his shared visions. seiously what bs powers are u making for nagato w/o hs shared vision he is not seeing the attacks magically.

Again kabuto is specific here about why nagato got hit


WE saw nagato when he was complete his mobility issue is part of him like itachi and his sickness. And even then he isnt very fast.
 
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Exactly so your assuming the paths animals will be in the same range as Nagato. Ill go along with u sense this is a close range battle then. Nagato dojutsu will easily allow him to see the incoming attacks. Ableing him to asorb the attack or counter with deva path.



Nagato is not able to move because of the Gedo Mazo taking out his legs when he used it against hanzo. If we were talking about healthy NAgato it would be a completely different story.
*Ultimate Facepalm*
So...your saying a healthy Nagato...nagato before he used Gedo Mazo, back when he was with Yahiko in the original Akatsuki when they were younger..THAT Nagato can beat Hashirama is what your saying...? If so, go to the nearest bathroom, stick your head in the toilet, and flush, afterwards, go cut on a stove to the highest temperature, pull ur pants down and sit on it, then lastly, log off and never touch a computer or read any manga ever again...IF thats what your saying.
 

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are you serious do you not understand that when nagato use his summons they pop up right next to him. Which means they too will be in the genjutsu like nagato and hashi has the advantage since they would be blind to easily restrain them lol.

Are you serious nagato just sees attacks due to his dojutsu no he doesnt he uses his shared vision for that purpose and if its gone he doesnt have that ability. HE would be blind. And like i showed you b4 he is vulnearable to attacks when he is like that and as seen here



if nagato can just see alll attacks why does he use hi shared visions. seiously what bs powers are u making for nagato.

Ok so what you're saying his as soon as Nagato summons his animals. They will all stay right next to him. Harishima will activate bringer of darknesss. And Nagato will be finished instantly. That is 100% believable.


Yes i know what you're saying about the blind thing. However Nagato can see chakra just like sharigan.
 

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*Ultimate Facepalm*
So...your saying a healthy Nagato...nagato before he used Gedo Mazo, back when he was with Yahiko in the original Akatsuki when they were younger..THAT Nagato can beat Hashirama is what your saying...? If so, go to the nearest bathroom, stick your head in the toilet, and flush, afterwards, go cut on a stove to the highest temperature, pull ur pants down and sit on it, then lastly, log off and never touch a computer or read any manga ever again...IF thats what your saying.
You're so annoying all you ever do is put words in my mouth seriously if you have nothing worth debating about don't ever quote me again.
 

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Ok so what you're saying his as soon as Nagato summons his animals. They will all stay right next to him. Harishima will activate bringer of darknesss. And Nagato will be finished instantly. That is 100% believable.


Yes i know what you're saying about the blind thing. However Nagato can see chakra just like sharigan.
no no no first of all as long as they are summoned they are next to nagato and this has been seen countless times. they are in range means they can't see either similar to enma and hiruzen's situation. he doesnt have to activate it right after the summons come out

Where did you get that idea from lol nagato cant just know where his attacks are coming from just out of nowhere he uses his shared vision for a reason. IF he is almighty and just see attacks without his other eyes why does he use shared vision. More over why didn't he stop itachi's attack, kabuto specifically explained this didn't he.
 

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Ok so what you're saying his as soon as Nagato summons his animals. They will all stay right next to him. Harishima will activate bringer of darknesss. And Nagato will be finished instantly. That is 100% believable.


Yes i know what you're saying about the blind thing. However Nagato can see chakra just like sharigan.
Unlike sharingan, it cannot break out of genjutsu, its more like Byakugan, it just allows you to see chakra.
 

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You're so annoying all you ever do is put words in my mouth seriously if you have nothing worth debating about don't ever quote me again.
"Nagato is not able to move because of the Gedo Mazo taking out his legs when he used it against hanzo. If we were talking about healthy NAgato it would be a completely different story."- Dantee

Put words in your mouth? So it was a different Dantee who put that?:sy:
 

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Unlike sharingan, it cannot break out of genjutsu, its more like Byakugan, it just allows you to see chakra.
but it doesnt just tell you where the opponents just out of nowhere. there is a reason why he uses the shared vision since it stops all blind spots. But when blinded he is vulnerable to attacks as seen in the manga. But he cant just magically see where all the attacks are coming from that completely contradicts whatever happened in the manga and what kabuto said.
 

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no no no first of all as long as they are summoned they are next to nagato and this has been seen countless times. they are in range means they can't see either similar to enma and hiruzen's situation. he doesnt have to activate it right after the summons come out

Where did you get that idea from lol nagato cant just know where his attacks are coming from just out of nowhere he uses his shared vision for a reason. IF he is almighty and just see attacks without his other eyes why does he use shared vision. More over why didn't he stop itachi's attack, kabuto specifically explained this didn't he.
When do the animals have to be right next to Nagato to support him? They can easily fly away or do their own thing while NAgato does his. The Hiruzen and Enma situation was different because they were trapped in a barrier limiting movement.

I understand but sense it's close range whats to stop him from looking at Harishima and attacking him.

I do agree however Nagato will be vurnable in this situation but it is way to convienant and unlikely to happen.
 
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