How Hashirama can defend/counter the six paths.

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You forget the fact Nagato can use these Paths at multiple times and Harishima won't be able to counter them all at once. Rinnegan can see chakra and the 8 animal paths have shared vision. I don't see how Mokoton would be able to hold down Shinra Tensei that was able to obliterate a whole village. Where does it show Hashirama growing Mokoton from his own body. More assumptions after assumptions/
It was said that Hashirama created the foundation that Konoha was built on.

It is much easier to build than to destroy.

I can destroy a house in minutes, just give me a lighter and a match. But how long does it take to build one?
 

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It was said that Hashirama created the foundation that Konoha was built on.

It is much easier to build than to destroy.

I can destroy a house in minutes, just give me a lighter and a match. But how long does it take to build one?
It's not an answer too. Building is not a kind of a killing ability... DUH*:sy:
 

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No matter of your opinion. Show me a fact. Answer my question or just accept Nagato would own Hashi...
what was your question? and I still dont understand why u keep saying Nagato VS Hashirama.

We seen everything Nagato can do, we have barely seen anything from Hashirama...how can u compare them both using all their ability? u cant. its not even a fair fight...basically you guys are saying

Nagato vs Hashirama holding back.

you show me fact where he can won hashi. yea shinra tensei..blah blah but who's to say hashi dosent have a way to get around that? we dont know! so calm down and wait for the manga to get ahead. :sy:
 

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Thanks at least someone can admit their wrong. Hashi is a very powerfull shinobi who knows he can turn up stronger than Nagato. But so far what he has shown he can't defeat Nagato techs.
They aren't wrong, its all opinion. he cant be wrong when all facts havent been given.

And you basically said what I've been saying the whole time. We dont know his full ability so we dont know yet! but so far from what we've seen..
your pretty much giving Hashi a handicap since he is restricted to what little has been shown compared to what he could possibly be capable of..pretty much we dont know until the manga shows further more, once all of his best techniques have been shown THEN we can really have a Nagato VS Hashirama debate. cuz of now its pointless. Can you understand that?
 

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what was your question? and I still dont understand why u keep saying Nagato VS Hashirama.

We seen everything Nagato can do, we have barely seen anything from Hashirama...how can u compare them both using all their ability? u cant. its not even a fair fight...basically you guys are saying

Nagato vs Hashirama holding back.

you show me fact where he can won hashi. yea shinra tensei..blah blah but who's to say hashi dosent have a way to get around that? we dont know! so calm down and wait for the manga to get ahead. :sy:
Any techniques Hashirama shows can be countered by Rinnegan abilities, even Mokuton. Now unless the manga releases a really hax technique that over comes Rinnegan then there is no way Hashirama has a chance of winning.
 

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This is weak, real weak. Nagato can use multiple paths at the same time so your specific counters are renderred pointless.
Wow ok you fail. I'm not assuming anything the thread maker is. Nagato can do all the things I posted. No one but anyone who defends Harishima assumes because we dont know anything about him.

Since when does hype > feats. Harishima has no known feats to defeat Nagato clear as day.
He cant he will die
this all ^ U_U

think of it like this...Tobi used Nagato as a good tool, Madara thinks of him as just some brat, who was supposed to use his technique to revive him.

Hashirama on the other hand is different. His DNA is being used to power up people. And even though its not his full DNA, it still goes a long way. if Nagato was so great, why wouldnt they use his DNA? Tobi had the chance to take some DNA from the corpse. But all he wanted was his rinnigan back. They even have better plans for sasuke than they had for Nagato. Madara himself says that the 5 kage are nothing compared to hashi, im sure the 5 kage together could easily take out Nagato/pain, if One sage mode naruto could take out most of them. Sooo...

Madara> 5kage
Hashirama>Madara
means...
Hashirama> 5kage
5 kage> nagato
Nagato>sage naruto (barely)

Most ppl on here with a brain would rather go by what the manga has said over what a fanboy like dante would say, especially sense dantee makes NO sense.
but wtf at this lol yes madara > 5kage but madara has rinnegan +mokuton + hes edo
so hell no hashirama doenst > the 5 kages
 

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but wtf at this lol yes madara > 5kage but madara has rinnegan +mokuton + hes edo
so hell no hashirama doenst > the 5 kages
he's been owning them with just hashirama attacks. and if he wasnt edo, he would still be kicking their ass. He even stated, that compared to the 1st all their attacks are nothing.

Kabuto says that he's on a whole nother level and that no living ninja alive today can compare to him

Tobi even realizes how powerful he was/
Orochimaru knew how strong he was which is why he took his dna
same with danzo.

All the most powerful ninja have all recongized hashirama as legendary power and his power is highly respected and praised.

the best that has been said about nagato's power is...his useful nss for gedo mazo, other than that, he's useless, even sasuke is more useful than nagato. Now, if Nagato was so powerful, dont you think all the strongest ninja would be going after his DNA? instead of hashi who is supposedly weaker?
 
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he's been owning them with just hashirama attacks. and if he wasnt edo, he would still be kicking their ass. He even stated, that compared to the 1st all their attacks are nothing.

Kabuto says that he's on a whole nother level and that no living ninja alive today can compare to him

Tobi even realizes how powerful he was/
Orochimaru knew how strong he was which is why he took his dna
same with danzo.

All the most powerful ninja have all recongized hashirama as legendary power and his power is highly respected and praised.

the best that has been said about nagato's power is...his useful nss for gedo mazo, other than that, he's useless, even sasuke is more useful than nagato. Now, if Nagato was so powerful, dont you think all the strongest ninja would be going after his DNA? instead of hashi who is supposedly weaker?

Dont base your arguments on the storyline. Versus threads are logical and clearly you are not thinking logically, you are one of those people who believe that everything that happens in the manga are the fact and logical without the realisation that plot-no jutsu is there.

If you think logically and carefully about Nagato's Rinnegan abilities you will come to the fact that they can counter all of Hashirama's techniques, whether that be Ninjtus, Taijutsu and Genjutsu. Also Kabuto was talking about Hashirama's KG, the Mokuton. Hence why people wanted his DNA. Nagato doesnt require his DNA because he has Rinnegan, its more than enough to counter any attacks.
 

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To the folks that say "bringer of darkness and its over";


Anyway hashirama is strong but lets not overrate him.
Without any knowledge on the paths he cannot win this
 

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We'll just have to see what the manga unfolds. Until then nobody is correct.
And the way alot of you guys are talking, you all make it seem like Nagato is the ultimate ninja who can take on anybody and win.
 

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They aren't wrong, its all opinion. he cant be wrong when all facts havent been given.

And you basically said what I've been saying the whole time. We dont know his full ability so we dont know yet! but so far from what we've seen..
your pretty much giving Hashi a handicap since he is restricted to what little has been shown compared to what he could possibly be capable of..pretty much we dont know until the manga shows further more, once all of his best techniques have been shown THEN we can really have a Nagato VS Hashirama debate. cuz of now its pointless. Can you understand that?
Don't come at me. Im just debating on the points the threading maker is throwing. All your post sound so stupid and pretty much everyone agress with me.
 

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So I keep seeing that Animal paths summons will easily break out of Mokuton.

First of all you guys are utterly wrong. Hashirama fought to control several tailed beasts. He obviously used mokuton to gain control over them and any tailed beast would destroy all of pains summons (maybe except for low tailed beasts 1,2,3). And how is petra path going to protect the animals from getting knocked unconscience? his range only goes so far.

I keep hearing that he can use all of them at once.

Id like an example of a combo that Nagato would use that Hashirama couldn't counter. And Mokuton can do many things at once.

People keep bashing bringer of darkness.

It stops eye sight which is needed to see chakra points. No eye sight means no seeing chakra points.


Now you people are questioning his intelligence?

He is a battle hardened ninja who has fought many powerful ninja.
Including Uchiha and Madara who was no push over. We can assume that he is much smarter than jariya or Naruto since they were not the most intelligent charaters ever. They managed to do an awful lot.

As for gedo mazo.

Nagato lost his ability to move after using it and it drained his chakra so much that it left him crippled. And you cant say that prime Nagato has Gedo mazo while it was powered by tailed beasts because thats BS. And mokuton could hold it down or hashirama can avoid it long enough to keep from getting touched and nagato runs out of chakra.

And remember that Hashirama Can bulid a forest which gives him full advantage over the area and more mobility than Nagato.

As for shinra tensai. He has a time interval between each use or he would have just spammed it during each fight. You cant say he uses a shinra tensai that destroys the whole forest and act like it wouldnt drain chakra or have an interval of time until he can preform it.
 
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based on what edo madara's doing with mokuton, hashirama can create a forest in a couple of seconds without much trouble. pain's CST can counter the forest but only for so long since it places a greater strain on pain. not to mention performing cst means deva's powers are inactive for a while and the other paths have to be out of his way before he can perform it
 

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So I keep seeing that Animal paths summons will easily break out of Mokuton.

No but you have to understand that he would have to catch Animal paths strong enough to break thrrough buildings. One that can go underground. One that is super fast fly and throw bombs. Harishima would have to locate them and restrain them all at once while holding down Nagato. Not an easy task at all.

First of all you guys are utterly wrong. Hashirama fought to control several tailed beasts. He obviously used mokuton to gain control over them and any tailed beast would destroy all of pains summons (maybe except for low tailed beasts 1,2,3). And how is petra path going to protect the animals from getting knocked unconscience? his range only goes so far.

He used Mokoton to supreess their chakra because they are just masses of it. These animals are different from tailed beast. The spores is the only thing that can actually work to defend himself from the animals. However each of the beast are different and can't be effected to take on 8 at a time.


I keep hearing that he can use all of them at once.

Id like an example of a combo that Nagato would use that Hashirama couldn't counter. And Mokuton can do many things at once.

Easy while Hashirama is being attacked by 8 boss summonings. Nagato deva path is easily throwing him off. Causing him to be attacked by missles or any of Nagatos attacks.


People keep bashing bringer of darkness.

It stops eye sight which is needed to see chakra points. No eye sight means no seeing chakra points.

Blazed owned this technique here


Now you people are questioning his intelligence?

He is a battle hardened ninja who has fought many powerful ninja.
Including Uchiha and Madara who was no push over. We can assume that he is much smarter than jariya or Naruto since they were not the most intelligent charaters ever. They managed to do an awful lot.

I'm not saying hes not smart. It's just theres no way to figure out the paths power in 1 fight. Without any intel not much he can do.

As for gedo mazo.

Nagato lost his ability to move after using it and it drained his chakra so much that it left him crippled. And you cant say that prime Nagato has Gedo mazo while it was powered by tailed beasts because thats BS. And mokuton could hold it down or hashirama can avoid it long enough to keep from getting touched and nagato runs out of chakra.

Nagato synced to Gedo Mazo to use the phantom dragon technique. Which in no way can be countered by Mokoton. You can read it here

The Statue is able to emit dragon-like forms of energy from its mouth. When these dragons come into contact with ordinary humans, the humans' souls are ripped from their bodies, killing them. The phantom dragon can easily run through solid object.


And remember that Hashirama Can bulid a forest which gives him full advantage over the area and more mobility than Nagato.

Nagato deva path ability is enough to push his wood aside without using Shinra Tensei. Note it was able to push back 3 boss summonings at once.


As for shinra tensai. He has a time interval between each use or he would have just spammed it during each fight. You cant say he uses a shinra tensai that destroys the whole forest and act like it wouldnt drain chakra or have an interval of time until he can preform it.

Ok


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Don't come at me. Im just debating on the points the threading maker is throwing. All your post sound so stupid and pretty much everyone agress with me.
You've got a pretty big ego. But you need to admit that what you posted is the same thing I've been saying, dumbnuts.

And why would anyone agree with you, who's logic is...

Tsunade can defeat Edo Tobirama. :sy:
go learn how to learn.
 
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