What point that would be exactly? You implying that I don't like you is now related to your thread topic somehow? Is there a reason why I should like/not like you? How old are you to resort to such lame and false accusation as an excuses for anything?
Anyway, about the 'intent' Naruto can sense in BM: I believed that this was for evil intent. Hence why I personally believed he couldn't sense Hashirama in BOD technique because Hashirama is not an evil person. You could say that it senses all negative intentions, so he'd definately sense Hashirama's intent to kill, but then how does Naruto tell/sense the difference between enemies trying to kill his friends and his friends trying to kill enemies? I could be wrong but we all make mistakes right?
To sense evil intent of chakra one should be able to sense chakra in the first place- logic.
More importantly , I also reminded you Naruto can chakra in Sage mode as well. ( Pain arc ) He is somewhat familer with Hashirama's techs as well by now.
So now you think you may have made a mistake? That should conclude this thread as the whole point seem to be that you believed in you view 100%. if you have a doubt then there is nothing to debate about.
Sure, Naruto could react to Mokuton but I don't think it would do anything really, once again IMO. We don't know actually what it would do so everyone is just second guessing when it comes to this point. I don't see how you expect me to answer that when it's likely you yourself do not truely know what would happen.
Non-issue? I just said I didn't believe it to be a versus thread that's all...............
Making as assumption is not good enough in this thread as you were trying to tell us "how Hashirama> BM Naruto" as a definite fact and now you are second guessing yourself about eveything.
As I have said before- not enough data and no surity in such debates. any one can turn out to be lucky- he only needs Kishi to be on his side.
As for VS thread bit.. Read previous posts to understand what I was saying. I have neither time nor inclination to continue explaining this bit.
What point that would be exactly? You implying that I don't like you is now related to your thread topic somehow? Is there a reason why I should like/not like you? How old are you to resort to such lame excuses and accusations?
To sense evil intent of chakra one should be able to sense chakra in the first place- logic.
More importantly , I also reminded you Naruto can chakra in Sage mode as well. ( Pain arc )
So now you think you may have made a mistake? That should conclude this thread as the whole point seem to be that you beleieved in you view 100%. if you have a doubt then there is nothing to debate about.
Making as assumption is not good enough in this thread as you were trying to tell us "how Hashirama> BM Naruto" and now you are second guessing yourself about eveything.
As I have said before- not enough data and no surity in such debates. any one can turn out to be lucky- he only needs Kishi to be on his side.
Aha, why are you getting angry and throwing insults around? You're implying that I argue/make points in the same way as a young child. I don't know why you wouldn't like me, only you would know that :shrug:
I make one mistake/assumption and 100% of my argument is flawed? :|
Bold part: Should I resort to making one sentence threads so I can avoid using abit of opinion or assumption? Why am I being slaughtered for trying to make a decent thread which people can have a nice discussion in? 90% of threads here are normally just 'empty based' threads but their creators won't get 1/10 th of the criticism i'm getting.
Of course I have to use abit of assumption in a thread as big as this: If it was all fact there would be nothing to debate about. Hence why I put it in the discussion section; I wanted a discussion!
Sorry that my points are so lame, that's all I have to put down...............
OK so, I've seen some people claiming BM Naruto surpasses all other Hokage's. This is possibly true except for when it comes to the 1st Hokage. BM Naruto cannot defeat Hashirama Senju. This is why:
'Hashirama Senju is considered by many as the most powerful shinobi of his time. He was greatly respected by most shinobi during his lifetime, such that Tobi claimed Hashirama was the one person whom he respected the most as well as detested. His prowess and abilities were so great that he was able to not only fight on equal footing with Madara Uchiha despite his power of Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan and having the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox at his side, but even gained victory in the end and survived the battle.'
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Hashirama did not use Kurama against Madara at ANY POINT in the battle. He simply wrestled it away from Madara and his wife sealed it inside of her. People think she then actively aided him in battle; no, she aided him because the 9 tails was locked away and couldn't be use by Madara. SIMPLE.
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Hashirama won against EMS Madara who had Kurama under his control. Dont forget this is Kurama with double the chakra (Yin chakra not sealed at the time). Hashirama controlled 7 tailed beasts at a point in time. 7. Base Naruto (no Kurama basically)< Madara. If Hashirama won, how on earth would Naruto beat him?
Hashirama can just suppress Kurama's chakra and a major source of Naruto's stamina and power is no longer available to him. Hence, BM and KM are rendered useless. Remember that necklace Tsunade passed down to Naruto which could control his Kyuubi chakra? Are you forgetting where it came from? Able to supress Kyuubi's chakra and look how small it is:
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Yamato was able to restrain 4 tailed Naruto with his Wood Release/Mokuton.
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Madara used his Wood Release to attack and kill nearly a whole army section. These Wood Releases' power is a small fraction of the power Hashirama is able to generate. THE MAIN POINT HERE IS THAT HASHIRAMA'S MOKUTON CAN SUPRESS THE KYUUBI'S CHAKRA. Mokuton is the strongest KKG aside from the eye dojutsus. Yamato admitted he was nowhere near the level of Hashirama Senju, and Madara was able to use such a powerful Mokuton technique with his first try. Now imagine how strong Hashirama's mastered version was.
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Look at how many people have fought to get just a tiny bit of Hashirama's DNA. His chakra reserves were immense, and have subsequently allowed other shinobi's to amplify and control various other abilities. An entire Zetsu army was made out of his DNA. Tobi is flippin trying to grow another Hashirama for goodness sake:
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Hashirama also has Bringer of Darkness. Tell me WTF will Naruto do against that?
I'm not hating on Naruto or anything but people need to realise that Hashirama Senju would defeat him everytime.
You bring up... a lot of good points xd Still, Naruto would give him mid-difficulty. xD I say Hashirama would win 99/100 times, assuming Naruto knew that Hashirama prevents him from using Nine-tails chakra.
You bring up... a lot of good points xd Still, Naruto would give him mid-difficulty. xD I say Hashirama would win 99/100 times, assuming Naruto knew that Hashirama prevents him from using Nine-tails chakra.
Aha, why are you getting angry and throwing insults around? You're implying that I argue/make points in the same way as a young child. I don't know why you wouldn't like me, only you would know that :shrug:
I make one mistake/assumption and 100% of my argument is flawed? :|
Bold part: Should I resort to making one sentence threads so I can avoid using abit of opinion or assumption? Why am I being slaughtered for trying to make a decent thread which people can have a nice discussion in? 90% of threads here are normally just 'empty based' threads but their creators won't get 1/10 th of the criticism i'm getting.
Of course I have to use abit of assumption in a thread as big as this: If it was all fact there would be nothing to debate about. Hence why I put it in the discussion section; I wanted a discussion!
Sorry that my points are so lame, that's all I have to put down...............
I make one mistake/assumption and 100% of my argument is flawed? :|
Bold part: Should I resort to making one sentence threads so I can avoid using abit of opinion or assumption? Why am I being slaughtered for trying to make a decent thread which people can have a nice discussion in? 90% of threads here are normally just 'empty based' threads but their creators won't get 1/10 th of the criticism i'm getting.
Of course I have to use abit of assumption in a thread as big as this: If it was all fact there would be nothing to debate about. Hence why I put it in the discussion section; I wanted a discussion!
Sorry that my points are so lame, that's all I have to put down...............
Don't throw a fit unnecessarily. When you post a thread you invite opinions. If you can't handle criticism stay away from internet.
And no you used only two real arguments in favour of Hashirama and both were countered. And since then you are only complaining. .[/QUOTE]
*sigh*
So why was I able to tolerate criticism for 40 odd other people?
You're going beyond criticising my argument, you're just trying to do anything you possibly can so that i'm portrayed as a dumb f*ck who doesn't know what he's doing.
that is speculation only we dont know that for sure and even if not he could still use sage mode and i think thats enough but maybe not either way who cares hashirama is dead and they will never fight
Hmm, I didn't read all the posts just as a mention.
I like both Naruto and Hashirama though. So no biasness from me maybe? Do you remember what Kakashi said to Kakuzu?
He said that generations after generations the new generation would always surpasses the old generation. I think Kishi really meant it that way. For now maybe Naruto can't beat Shodai Hokage but if he made it to be a Kage in the future he would've surpassed Shodai just like how his kid would surpass him in the future to come. Moreover, all of this was an assumption similar to mine. We've never seen Shodai fight before other than what he had achieved and we didn't see it first hand Naruto vs Shodai.
All I can say is well they are on the same sides right? Technically championing the same philosophy just like when Tobi said seeing Naruto reminds him of Shodai. Why needed to be compared? =S
OK so, I've seen some people claiming BM Naruto surpasses all other Hokage's. This is possibly true except for when it comes to the 1st Hokage. BM Naruto cannot defeat Hashirama Senju. This is why:
'Hashirama Senju is considered by many as the most powerful shinobi of his time. He was greatly respected by most shinobi during his lifetime, such that Tobi claimed Hashirama was the one person whom he respected the most as well as detested. His prowess and abilities were so great that he was able to not only fight on equal footing with Madara Uchiha despite his power of Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan and having the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox at his side, but even gained victory in the end and survived the battle.'
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Hashirama did not use Kurama against Madara at ANY POINT in the battle. He simply wrestled it away from Madara and his wife sealed it inside of her. People think she then actively aided him in battle; no, she aided him because the 9 tails was locked away and couldn't be use by Madara. SIMPLE.
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Hashirama won against EMS Madara who had Kurama under his control. Dont forget this is Kurama with double the chakra (Yin chakra not sealed at the time). Hashirama controlled 7 tailed beasts at a point in time. 7. Base Naruto (no Kurama basically)< Madara. If Hashirama won, how on earth would Naruto beat him?
Hashirama can just suppress Kurama's chakra and a major source of Naruto's stamina and power is no longer available to him. Hence, BM and KM are rendered useless. Remember that necklace Tsunade passed down to Naruto which could control his Kyuubi chakra? Are you forgetting where it came from? Able to supress Kyuubi's chakra and look how small it is:
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Yamato was able to restrain 4 tailed Naruto with his Wood Release/Mokuton.
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Madara used his Wood Release to attack and kill nearly a whole army section. These Wood Releases' power is a small fraction of the power Hashirama is able to generate. THE MAIN POINT HERE IS THAT HASHIRAMA'S MOKUTON CAN SUPRESS THE KYUUBI'S CHAKRA. Mokuton is the strongest KKG aside from the eye dojutsus. Yamato admitted he was nowhere near the level of Hashirama Senju, and Madara was able to use such a powerful Mokuton technique with his first try. Now imagine how strong Hashirama's mastered version was.
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Look at how many people have fought to get just a tiny bit of Hashirama's DNA. His chakra reserves were immense, and have subsequently allowed other shinobi's to amplify and control various other abilities. An entire Zetsu army was made out of his DNA. Tobi is flippin trying to grow another Hashirama for goodness sake:
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Hashirama also has Bringer of Darkness. Tell me WTF will Naruto do against that?
I'm not hating on Naruto or anything but people need to realise that Hashirama Senju would defeat him everytime.
Just one question. When Yamato surpresses the kyubi's chakra, he simply pushes chakra leaking from the seal back into the seal. In km/bm, the seal is open and Naruto is pretty much using the kyubi's chakra willingly. So where is Hashirama going to push the chakra back to?
Just one question. When Yamato surpresses the kyubi's chakra, he simply pushes chakra leaking from the seal back into the seal. In km/bm, the seal is open and Naruto is pretty much using the kyubi's chakra willingly. So where is Hashirama going to push the chakra back to?
Just one question. When Yamato surpresses the kyubi's chakra, he simply pushes chakra leaking from the seal back into the seal. In km/bm, the seal is open and Naruto is pretty much using the kyubi's chakra willingly. So where is Hashirama going to push the chakra back to?
We are forgetting 1 thing when hashirame was fighting madara ems you guys are saying that hashirame is strong because he beat him and took control of the fox you are forgetting that when madara was controling the fox he was not using its real power but just making it go wild on hashirame even while fighting you are forgetting that cotroling the fox takes a lot of chakra and that drained madaras power even more back to bm naruto he is actually 1 with the nine tailed fox and its letting him use its chakra freely and hashirame cant just supress the kyubi easily as i have seen lots of people posting about the reason why he can defeat bm naruto narutos just to fast in bm mode i am not taking side or anything but i just think naruto is to powerful especially if bm mode unlimited he would kill hashirame but for bm 5 min i would give the battle hashirame.And i think kishi has revealed bm naruto just not for tobi battle but for kuruma to help naruto against edo madara because of edo madara him too is another op guy like naruto.
Ive little interest in this thread since im saving my self for later.
The hint i will give you though is that is that he is partly right. If you wanna know the answer go back to when naruto went bersek against oro, but also what yamato did to kisame U_U
