[Debate] Abortion

[NarutoVsGoku]

Finally someone who can debate/argue with common sense...

1. You said is rape justifiable after the abortion, well how about this. If someone robbed you and stole everything, is it justifiable if he served his time. Or rather if he served the time for the crime ahead of time, can we allow him to commit the crime?

2. Now this makes more sense lol. No it isn't justifiable.

3. Agreed.

4. You didn't understand my answer...I said it isn't even considered because it can't be asked the question. The fetus won't understand the question so we won't be able to get the answer from it. What if the fetus actually wanted to die?

Ok in your example it is not justifiable if the robber served time for his crime. Justifiable means something that is wrong is right because of the circumstances. A robber serving time for the crime doesnt make what he did right, its just him being punished and rightfully so.

Something justified is like, im in an alleyway attacked by a guy with a gun, i steal his gun, shoot him and kill him, all while he tried to attack me. I killed him. Am i wrong? Yes cuz murder is wrong. Am i justified? Hell yea cuz the bastard trie to kill me. This is called self defense (lol duh).

So question 1 is like does killing the baby rights the wrong done by the rapist? No it doesnt. And if anybody is to be punished it is the rapist, not the baby.

2. I agree killing you would not justify attacking ya mom.

3 skip lol

4 what if the fetus wanted to die? Lol thats a whole other arguement itslef to but there is no way to be sure of that. The best thing is to asdume it wants to love than to assume it wants to die. A baby that wanted to live but was killed- that robs the baby of the infite oppurtunities in life. But a baby who wants to die but lives can still die in the future, and its garunteed to die in the future since we all die.

But i think i understood your answer. A baby doesnt have a choice cuz it cant Is incapable of answering right? It can say "yes" or "no". But its right to live? Does a baby have a right to live even if it cant vocally say it wants to or not?

Quote me and tell me where I BS around your questions. I never asked you a yes or no question. I asked you a question. Unlike you, I never wrote "Yes or No".

If you keep indirectly insulting my intelligence, weather right or wrong, I will report you because what I say does not go through your head and it's starting to really annoy me. Stop being condescending.

Woah bro relax. You remind me of a girl i once like who was easily offended..... Anyways if you felt insulted or belittle just please forgive me man

Do yes or no questions offend you?!? Ma bad

Im not trying to offend anyone. But it seems like you cant handle this topic so theres no need for me to continue this any further.

It was good while it lasted man.

Oh and it would be too much trouble to quote you sorry but theres no reason to continue this with you.

 

[Sterling Malory Archer]

My Opinion:

Abortion is a no-go. Whether or not the baby is 1 day old or not. If my girlfriend became pregnant my vote would be have the baby. I'm only 17 but still, I know a lot of people who have children, my one friend who finished school a year before just had a baby recently and they are happy and not suicidal.

What happens happens. Abortion is wrong. Why? Because we do not know what that developing child could become, that child could become a hero of this world in some way. We do not know. Many people are so hypocritical and stupid especially in the society we live in today.

What if she was raped:

Really now, is aborting the child the solution? The stupidest things I have ever heard. Funny how girls can quickly grasp the concept of abortion when rape is involved. I live in a country where rape occurs every 5 seconds. It really doesn't make sense why abortion is seen as the solution. What did the child do? Why must the child pay for its father's lack of moral values. If I stab you must you now go kill someone that needs you and lives off you so you can feel like you solved the problem??

Children are beautiful. So is pregnancy. So is birth (taking out all the blood).

Nobody really thinks of the side-effects (In a way) of abortion and what it can do to the body.

Anyways, I'd advise you to listen to this song called "Lost Ones - By J.Cole"

It's about a girl who got pregnant and the guy (1st verse) says abort the baby, and the girl (verse 2) say no, and the 3rd verse is a neutral view. Really good song.

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[MissRed]

I support abortion, but I'm not stupid like...

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[sG Taka]

Ok in your example it is not justifiable if the robber served time for his crime. Justifiable means something that is wrong is right because of the circumstances. A robber serving time for the crime doesnt make what he did right, its just him being punished and rightfully so.

Something justified is like, im in an alleyway attacked by a guy with a gun, i steal his gun, shoot him and kill him, all while he tried to attack me. I killed him. Am i wrong? Yes cuz murder is wrong. Am i justified? Hell yea cuz the bastard trie to kill me. This is called self defense (lol duh).

So question 1 is like does killing the baby rights the wrong done by the rapist? No it doesnt. And if anybody is to be punished it is the rapist, not the baby.

2. I agree killing you would not justify attacking ya mom.

3 skip lol

4 what if the fetus wanted to die? Lol thats a whole other arguement itslef to but there is no way to be sure of that. The best thing is to asdume it wants to love than to assume it wants to die. A baby that wanted to live but was killed- that robs the baby of the infite oppurtunities in life. But a baby who wants to die but lives can still die in the future, and its garunteed to die in the future since we all die.

But i think i understood your answer. A baby doesnt have a choice cuz it cant Is incapable of answering right? It can say "yes" or "no". But its right to live? Does a baby have a right to live even if it cant vocally say it wants to or not?




Woah bro relax. You remind me of a girl i once like who was easily offended..... Anyways if you felt insulted or belittle just please forgive me man

Do yes or no questions offend you?!? Ma bad

Im not trying to offend anyone. But it seems like you cant handle this topic so theres no need for me to continue this any further.

It was good while it lasted man.

Oh and it would be too much trouble to quote you sorry but theres no reason to continue this with you.

I can debate pretty well with everyone except you. You just fail to see my point. No, obviously Yes or No questions don't offend me, if you actually thought that, you did not understand my reply. I can handle this topic perfectly, you're the one who is accusing me of not understand anything and not answering any questions on the basis of what? Nothing.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

@cookie moster

J cole lost ones is a great song man. This thread reminded me of that song thanks for recommending ppl to listen to it.

 

[Gin-San]

What I am saying is that there is a right and wrong, it doesn't matter what view you look at it. Of course its hard to see it that way because like you said about being biased.
An example is this, is slavery okay? Does it change if we ask now or 300 years ago? Maybe opinion changes but it is still wrong now and it is wrong in the past.

And again, you believe is wrong becuase since an early age your moral conduct and thought process was designed. Society, religion, family, education, and more greatly influence what you view as right and wrong.
You are currently using events of the past as examples of your discussion, though they are not able to be applied in this situation. The problems in the past have been solved and have been labeled as right and wrong. You are unable to see another outcome because you cannot live an alternative world (unless of course you can move through world lines, which is impossible at the moment). You can think of different outcomes from a problem in the past, but you will never be able to know for certain, and much less if it would have been labeled right or wrong.
For example, dropping the atomic bombs. It was a bad or terrible choice, people were going to die regardless of the decision. Would we know what would have happened if Truman decided not to drop the bombs and procceed with an invasion? No

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Guys I only read the first two pages but I want to tell most of you people on this thread that you can have views that differ from someone without attacking them personally.

Disparaging another person is unnecessary and cruel. Please don't insult other members.

 

[ChrisWolf]

Whether it is good or bad is irrelevant since it is not necessary. Their are orphanages, debate closed.

 

[sG Taka]

But we have supercomputers that calculate millions of things at once, it could be possible.

If it were one-hundred percent accurate and one-hundred percent correct one-hundred percent of the time, of course.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

I can debate pretty well with everyone except you. You just fail to see my point. No, obviously Yes or No questions don't offend me, if you actually thought that, you did not understand my reply. I can handle this topic perfectly, you're the one who is accusing me of not understand anything and not answering any questions on the basis of what? Nothing.

Cool story but im not going to answer You anymore cuz you cant answer simple questions.

If you want to get the last word thats cool.

It was fun to debate you tho and thanks.

 

[Dacron]

a person is a person, no matter how small. murder is murder, you can't really justify murder

It's interesting how you describe murder. Psychopaths murder, they mutilate and enjoy it. Until you're the female you don't get to make that choice. It's funny because I had an abortion clinic 5 blocks from my house, the doctor there went to church one day and a fellow member blew his brains out. Don't give me your murder is murder bullshit.

 

[Revyy]

This is still going in guys? Good god enough already lol.
You guys keep talking about rape. Can I ask you a new question? ( For people who did not read my post you should before you comment) What if a father rapes his daughter and she keeps the baby. That baby is gonna grow up with his grandfather, what happens when he finds out his grandfather is actually his father who raped his mother? I can't expect you men to understand how that feels like but Abortion is right in most ways.

 

[ChrisWolf]

This is still going in guys? Good god enough already lol.
You guys keep talking about rape. Can I ask you a new question? ( For people who did not read my post you should before you comment) What if a father rapes his daughter and she keeps the baby. That baby is gonna grow up with his grandfather, what happens when he finds out his grandfather is actually his father who raped his mother? I can't expect you men to understand how that feels like but Abortion is right in most ways.

Good point, I can't say I disagree...but once again why even debate if it's right or wrong if their are orphanages!! You don't have to raise it if you don't want to or feel it would be damaging to them in some shape or form.

 

[Uchiha Paulsama]

abortion is an escape for a coward.

people who want to abort should just give birth and then kill themselves

agreed, if the two people agreed on having ***, and the lady ends up prego, then both of you grow up!!!!! if the lady was raped, then i can't really comment on that. it was you who wanted to have ***, so don't take another persons life because you were horny. then you gotta live with your self , saying " i took someone's chance at life". ​

 

[Revyy]

Good point, I can't say I disagree...but once again why even debate if it's right or wrong if their are orphanages!! You don't have to raise it if you don't want to or feel it would be damaging to them in some shape or form.

That's not a point really it goes with a post I made earlier. I grew up in a orphanage I would not want that on any kid...It was a terrible experience.

 

[ChrisWolf]

That's not a point really it goes with a post I made earlier. I grew up in a orphanage I would not want that on any kid...It was a terrible experience.

Yes but do you wish you were aborted now? Or are you ok now. That's the question.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

My only post that I will post relating to the topic is this, the people who say that it is wrong, who gives you the right to tell others how to live?

Pro-choice is exactly that, a choice. If someone wants to keep a baby then they will keep it, if they can't or won't take care of it then abortion is an option. That is why pro-choice solves all problems since it leaves abortion open to those who need to have abortions. For example when childbirth would kill the mother, in cases of rape, in cases of drug addict parents, people who just can't or won't take care of a baby, etc.

Anyway my point is no one should be able to dictate the important choices in people's lives.

 

[Revyy]

Yes but do you wish you were aborted now? Or are you ok now. That's the question.

Yes. I was an unwanted child, so unwanted my mother did hardcore drugs while pregnant with me she tried to do a homemade one. Do you know how messed up my brain is? My medical issues? I suffer every day from her doings, Yes I wish she would of had the balls to abort me. I have so many physiological problems. I'm so messed up inside and out.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

This is still going in guys? Good god enough already lol.
You guys keep talking about rape. Can I ask you a new question? ( For people who did not read my post you should before you comment) What if a father rapes his daughter and she keeps the baby. That baby is gonna grow up with his grandfather, what happens when he finds out his grandfather is actually his father who raped his mother? I can't expect you men to understand how that feels like but Abortion is right in most ways.

Dont discredit us men.

The scenario is messed up but sadly this has happened thousands millions of times in reality. And there as been people who overcame these hard situations. Yes its sad and unfair and can be traumatizing to have ya mother also be ya sister or your father also be your grandfather but it is not the end of the world and death is not the only and final solution.

Abortion is not going to erase the crime, its not going to make the situation better you cant erase the past of a sexual attack with abotion.

Abortion, kilking the baby is not punishing saving anybody from a less traumatizing experience. Abortion is traumitizing itself. Why kill the baby for something the rapist did? The baby did rape the girl, the baby is a victim itself having to be put into such a situation.

And there are optiins like adaption for the baby. Why abort? If the environment of a sexual abusive father why not let the baby be raised by parents who arent able to have childrem of their own? There are people who cannot have kids!

Children are a gift! Is a child seen as a curse because it was made from a rape attack? Is that the mentality? Is that why people think its ok to kill it when rape is thrown in the mix?

Fei we agree and disagree on alot of things but respectfully i disagree on this with you whole heartedly!!!!! (is that a word?)

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

Yes. I was an unwanted child, so unwanted my mother did hardcore drugs while pregnant with me she tried to do a homemade one. Do you know how messed up my brain is? My medical issues? I suffer every day from her doings, Yes I wish she would of had the balls to abort me.

My soul aches when I hear things like this. I am truly sorry. Hopefully the life you have led has been better since then.