Madara Can use Renningan better the Nagato
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theres strong evidence so say it does like when madara unlocked the rinnegan after he gained senju dna however i will admit it is speculation no matter how likely it is to be true.Its certainly more probable the madara having infinite izangi
Where's your proof of that!?
It's a great probability that it does, for several reasons, such as why did Madara go to the trouble of getting Hashirama's dna, what could've made him want it so badly.
Also I think it's Kabuto who says Rinnegan is what awaits you once you have achieved everything there is to achieve from the sharingan (Not exact words but something along those lines) and Madara agree's which would mean he would need to have gained the ability of Izanagi to have truly achieved it all, and Izanagi is only available to an uchiha with senju dna
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Are you 10?Calling madara a wimp out of anyone is plain bs.Your calling a man that carried his clan on his back and fought to the death for them.He didn't want his people be treated like dogs on a chain.He took charge and fought his cousin(the first hokage who is senju).Even when we lost he came back again fighting to the death.
I don't call that being a *****/wimp it's called being a warrior and protector of your people.
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Where did they state this? Tobi said he's a former shell of himself, so he can't use Rinne Tensei due to it using a lot of chakra. Nagato died using Rinne on the village, this time in order to revive Madara who died many years back would also take him out.
We can't really judge on how good Madara is using Rinnegan, as we know he's Edo form and can spam his techs which he will take advantage of, or Kabtuo will. So, we won't see him using it at its potential.
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From the above post, there are only 2 pieces of evidence you used to support your claim:
- Nagato's rinnegan is originally from madara
- Madara can use susanoo while nagato can't
Everything else is basically you saying:
- madara is better than nagato
- there is no way that nagato can use the rinnegan better than madara
- everything nagato can do, madara can do better
- Madara got real skill unlike nagato that is quit useless without rinnegan
which basically saying Madara is better than nagato in 4 different ways without any support.
Infinite izanagi and amaterasu are irrelevant as one of them is not a rinnegan tech and madara has not been shown to be able to use the other.
OK Fail.
Madara Died BEFORE he really got to use it.
He has Hashiramas DNA so that means he had it when he fought Hashirama but he still got wrecked.
Nagato has much more experience using it.
Yes Madara can use sharingan skills as well as rennin skills but that doesnt mean he is better at it than nagato
also look at it this way which would you choose a person who is soley trained in art knows its ins and out along with its history know all combinations of colours and shades or a person trained in art and language but knows alot about are and a little about language. (it doesnt make sense i know)
But the point is Madra knows about the rennin and its jutsu but doesnt have experience with it. Nagato may not know the real history behind his eyes but he does have real experience using it.
Also we dont even know how madara got those eyes to Nagato.
Nagato was a young teen when he met with J-Man. Madara died LONG before that time. For nagato to have been alive at the moment of Madara death he would need to be atLEAST 80 years old. I say 80 I will guess that sarutobi was alive when hashirama fought madara becuase when they did the danzou flash backs becuase it doesnt look like tobirama was anywhere as close of the age he would have needed to be for sarutobi to not have been born during the rein of hashirama.
Obviously who ever the person that ressurceted madara has been planning this with him for years I think it is his brother. Who else could it be? I doubt they are going to introduce and new villains it too late in the game to do that.
Also you underestimate the 5 kage only reason madara is able to pull of these tricks is becuase he is in EDO form if he wasnt edo he would get wrecked. You saw him get dissintergrated when those to boulders collided.
I think that nagato has better ability with the rennin for now but madara would still wreck him.
Madara Died BEFORE he really got to use it.
He has Hashiramas DNA so that means he had it when he fought Hashirama but he still got wrecked.
Nagato has much more experience using it.
Yes Madara can use sharingan skills as well as rennin skills but that doesnt mean he is better at it than nagato
also look at it this way which would you choose a person who is soley trained in art knows its ins and out along with its history know all combinations of colours and shades or a person trained in art and language but knows alot about are and a little about language. (it doesnt make sense i know)
But the point is Madra knows about the rennin and its jutsu but doesnt have experience with it. Nagato may not know the real history behind his eyes but he does have real experience using it.
Also we dont even know how madara got those eyes to Nagato.
Nagato was a young teen when he met with J-Man. Madara died LONG before that time. For nagato to have been alive at the moment of Madara death he would need to be atLEAST 80 years old. I say 80 I will guess that sarutobi was alive when hashirama fought madara becuase when they did the danzou flash backs becuase it doesnt look like tobirama was anywhere as close of the age he would have needed to be for sarutobi to not have been born during the rein of hashirama.
Obviously who ever the person that ressurceted madara has been planning this with him for years I think it is his brother. Who else could it be? I doubt they are going to introduce and new villains it too late in the game to do that.
Also you underestimate the 5 kage only reason madara is able to pull of these tricks is becuase he is in EDO form if he wasnt edo he would get wrecked. You saw him get dissintergrated when those to boulders collided.
I think that nagato has better ability with the rennin for now but madara would still wreck him.
who told u that oonoki destroyed it was purposefully crushed to wipe the map clean of most ninja. read the manga carefully please
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and he purposefully killed himself and took advantage of the fact that he is edo so that he can kill most shinobi on the field
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And madara most likely hs those abilitie he has the rinnegan and is a natural user and no one ever stated someone needs extensive exp for actually being able to use the rinnegan. ppl like sasuke learned how to use sussano to a full extent in day as well as use amaterasu in a day what makes u think madara can't do that. he knew how to use a really strong tech why can't he use the other ones. he only randomy used preta path and rest he does not know i highly doubt that is the case.
And let me add the fact that he has ems+ mokuton+ rinnegan and not to mention the fact that he is the trump card not nagato. tobi was not scared of nagato but madara yes he was.
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madara has to change from rinnegan to sharigan in order to use susanoo and amateratu. You don't know anything. BTW, nice effort.
Sigh*, Ive replied to a similar thread about this weeks ago and frankly Im sick of hearing how naive some people are about it. Its one thing to state a brief conjecture about your opinion, but to act as though you are almighty just because you think you know the real answer is just stupid. Ive decided to make this visual to aid people in seeing what I mean about my opinion:
Nagato:
-Controls the Six Paths of Pain
-Each Pain is implanted a certain power, meaning seperate jobs for certain tasks.
-Can use all powers of the Six Paths of Pain in one body.
-Also can call meteors. Dont believe me? Read the chapter where Nagato and Itachi confront Naruto and Bee. It may not be a devastating, giant one but Im sure Kabuto isnt stupid enough to kill the keys to victory for Akatsuki. We can assume Nagato is able to call forth even bigger ones anyways, theres not a reason why not.
Madara
-Used the Preta ability and can absorb chakra
-Calls forth two monstrous meteors into the battlefield completely wiping everything with powerful force.
Keep in mind, Nagato also has the achievement of using all the powers of his doujutsu effectively in battle. For example, using Summonings and the Naraka path to revive fallen bodies. I understand it is not fair to judge against Madara yet, since he just appeared and does not have as much experience with it. What im saying here is this: Nagato is the best current Rinnegan user in the Naruto world. However if Madara was able to learn the extent of its power, he would be hailed as the second SO6P. But against the amount of expertise Nagato has now, the current edo Madara cannot be the best.
So basically if you're sticking to what youre saying, then lets put it this way. An Uchiha who just accessed his 3 tomoe Sharingan is better than an Uchiha who has had the 3 tomoe for 30+ Years. Make sense? No, and your conjecture at this point in the manga does not either.
Nagato:
-Controls the Six Paths of Pain
-Each Pain is implanted a certain power, meaning seperate jobs for certain tasks.
-Can use all powers of the Six Paths of Pain in one body.
-Also can call meteors. Dont believe me? Read the chapter where Nagato and Itachi confront Naruto and Bee. It may not be a devastating, giant one but Im sure Kabuto isnt stupid enough to kill the keys to victory for Akatsuki. We can assume Nagato is able to call forth even bigger ones anyways, theres not a reason why not.
Madara
-Used the Preta ability and can absorb chakra
-Calls forth two monstrous meteors into the battlefield completely wiping everything with powerful force.
Keep in mind, Nagato also has the achievement of using all the powers of his doujutsu effectively in battle. For example, using Summonings and the Naraka path to revive fallen bodies. I understand it is not fair to judge against Madara yet, since he just appeared and does not have as much experience with it. What im saying here is this: Nagato is the best current Rinnegan user in the Naruto world. However if Madara was able to learn the extent of its power, he would be hailed as the second SO6P. But against the amount of expertise Nagato has now, the current edo Madara cannot be the best.
So basically if you're sticking to what youre saying, then lets put it this way. An Uchiha who just accessed his 3 tomoe Sharingan is better than an Uchiha who has had the 3 tomoe for 30+ Years. Make sense? No, and your conjecture at this point in the manga does not either.
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Okay troll, you've said enough..... Now I will say Madara is badass... But really though, Infinite Izanagi? Izanagi closes the eye that activates it.... okay sure he has both Uchiha and Senju DNA, and he EVEN has the Rinnegan..... but until I see it HAPPEN, I'm not going to get my hopes up on that one... And Nagato is more skilled with the Rinnegan than Madara is.... Sure it was HIS Rinnegan to begin with, but Madara only had it for a short while, then he died. Nagato had those eyes all his life, and is a Master of it. Plus he is Uzumaki, don't forget about his clan's longevity.... He has INCREDIBLE amounts of lasting chakra.... he's a master of almost every element and he exists outside the realm of life and death. Madara may be able to use all his Uchiha techniques, but I don't know if he can use all of his Rinnegan techniques YET.... We will just have to wait and see. But until then, I still say Nagato was the best Rinnegan user in the story.
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Any actual picture proof of that? He's good but he hasn't had the training nor expriance with it that Nagato had and it's Tobi not Madara d**n it.
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HAHAHAHAHAHH I'm Rollin.... How the hell is his dumbass going to say he posted like 4 days ago, He joined the motherfu*ker back in 20-freaking-10! Hah.