Yata mirror possible weakness

[lswhyte123]

It doesn't matter, as long as he is invisible, he can do just about anything as long as his opponent isn't Gaara. No one can detect him besides Gaara, so Itachi will be basically fighting air. Muu can appear long distance and start spamming Dust Release. Itachi can't do anything but summon Susanoo, which will be obliterated along with Itachi, leaving his legendary weapons for Muu, end of battle.

The Sharingan can detect chakra signatures. Itachi's Sharingan would be able to find Muu. BTW I answered all the queries about the Yata mirror, there should really not be any further debate on the matter.

 

[lswhyte123]

I already posted this but I will refresh it cause I may as well.


The Yata mirror is a mirror and shield. It isn't just that it can block nature types. It matches and repels them. So even KG don't make a difference. When the Yata mirror is presented with a technique, the mirror reflects the image/force/jutsu and matches it.

The only way to get past this is to find a blind spot. You need to go around the Yata mirror which is very risky. The mirror itself is perfect. The only issue is that it can't cover 360%.

It does not matter what technique or whatever is used. Everything is ineffective against it If it's gonna have direct contact. Nothing can break it.

 

[jordy kusturica]

has far has i now the yata mirror is one of the called three spiratual weapons(i remenber somethig like this not sure, only by re-reading the manga) that can defelect all direct attacks i dint check the databook but acording what you say them the yata mirror would create a element to react against lava or dust, if the yata mirror conteins all the five basic elements that should happen in theory.

 

[jordy kusturica]

[/QUOTE]someone my be able to regenerate Susanoo since it is an attack, but Itachi can't do so because he has low stamina, he would faint before he could conjure Susanoo's toenail.[/QUOTE]
i think that itachi only had low stamina because of is "incurable disease that made puke blood ever time-to-times" has a "dead" he seem on pretty go shape . well whatever, just saying that a healthy itachi does not have low stamina, in my view.

 

[jordy kusturica]

i think that itachi only had low stamina because of is "incurable disease that made puke blood ever time-to-times" has a "dead" he seem on pretty go shape . well whatever, just saying that a healthy itachi does not have low stamina, in my view.

 

[lswhyte123]

i think that itachi only had low stamina because of is "incurable disease that made puke blood ever time-to-times" has a "dead" he seem on pretty go shape . well whatever, just saying that a healthy itachi does not have low stamina, in my view.

Dude change your location. That's F***ed.

 

[777skills]

So whats your saying is that ONE man can beat itachi? That still does not prove anything. Are you saying that anyone that has two elements can beat itachi? That doesnt make any sense.
Are you stating that yata mirror isnt as strong as people think it is? You didnt prove that either since only people with the control of two or more elements at the same time (Based on your theory. Which we know is rare for a person to combine 2 or more elements) can beat it.

Of all the possible match-ups of people that can possibly beat itachi only 1 has the ability to combine two or more elements and thats Oonki. Muu is dead and if he were alive then thats two men that (by your theory) could beat him and yata mirror.

All i see is underrating the yata mirror and its user. Itachi has proved to be one of the strongest, most intellegent, and most strategical fighters presented to us in Naruto. Yata mirror has proven to be one of the best defenses when used along with sasunoo presened to us in naruto. I will not say that yata mirror is not strong becuase individuals that have dust release techniques can beat it (based on this theory).

If you can find at least 5-10 other individuals in the manga that combine 2 or more elements who actually stand a chance against itachi (so no yamata, no mizukage) then this theory has some validity otherwise yata mirror is all it is said to be until otherwise stated in the manga.

Besides why do people even go to the databook? I think its useless.

One guy had an argument stating that itachi will lose to gaara becuase his attacks are long range and itachi is a short range fighter. This is what the databook told him. But at the same time gaara (who fighting styles has been the same since he first appeared) was caught in rock lees hidden lotus which is an extremely close range attack. Databook only gives some details and should not be referenced since it dont really give any explination.

Also since the mirror reacts to the elements the mirror is impacted with wont it just create an element to counter that one. That's the way it would work. Only thing i see that could get around it is noot hitting it but hat would require going around it which could be dangerous having itachi and sasunoo in a blind spot. That sword should always be in view. Otherwise itachi will take advantage of your blind spot and hit you and its game over.

 

[tracytracy22]

The Sharingan can detect chakra signatures. Itachi's Sharingan would be able to find Muu. BTW I answered all the queries about the Yata mirror, there should really not be any further debate on the matter.

Im sorry but incase you didnt know - muu's mastery of the hiding with camouflage technique (which makes him turn invisible) erases his chakra, therefore sensors (regular) and sharingan will not be able to locate muu.

Thanks! Btw you can go back and read the manga and you'll see that his chakra disappears completely.

 

[tracytracy22]

I already posted this but I will refresh it cause I may as well.


The Yata mirror is a mirror and shield. It isn't just that it can block nature types. It matches and repels them. So even KG don't make a difference. When the Yata mirror is presented with a technique, the mirror reflects the image/force/jutsu and matches it.

The only way to get past this is to find a blind spot. You need to go around the Yata mirror which is very risky. The mirror itself is perfect. The only issue is that it can't cover 360%.

It does not matter what technique or whatever is used. Everything is ineffective against it If it's gonna have direct contact. Nothing can break it.

Yes the mirror contains the basic nature types including yin/yang but dont you realise that advanced natures are completely different - they are a whole new element. Just because it contains the basic natures doesnt mean in contains advanced natures. I have a feeling that the mirror will not be able to negate advanced natures - its only my theory. I hope we can get a chance to see it in the manga. And as itachi said, everything has a weakness xd

 

[tracytracy22]

So whats your saying is that ONE man can beat itachi? That still does not prove anything. Are you saying that anyone that has two elements can beat itachi? That doesnt make any sense.
Are you stating that yata mirror isnt as strong as people think it is? You didnt prove that either since only people with the control of two or more elements at the same time (Based on your theory. Which we know is rare for a person to combine 2 or more elements) can beat it.

Of all the possible match-ups of people that can possibly beat itachi only 1 has the ability to combine two or more elements and thats Oonki. Muu is dead and if he were alive then thats two men that (by your theory) could beat him and yata mirror.


All i see is underrating the yata mirror and its user. Itachi has proved to be one of the strongest, most intellegent, and most strategical fighters presented to us in Naruto. Yata mirror has proven to be one of the best defenses when used along with sasunoo presened to us in naruto. I will not say that yata mirror is not strong becuase individuals that have dust release techniques can beat it (based on this theory).


If you can find at least 5-10 other individuals in the manga that combine 2 or more elements who actually stand a chance against itachi (so no yamata, no mizukage) then this theory has some validity otherwise yata mirror is all it is said to be until otherwise stated in the manga.

Besides why do people even go to the databook? I think its useless.

One guy had an argument stating that itachi will lose to gaara becuase his attacks are long range and itachi is a short range fighter. This is what the databook told him. But at the same time gaara (who fighting styles has been the same since he first appeared) was caught in rock lees hidden lotus which is an extremely close range attack. Databook only gives some details and should not be referenced since it dont really give any explination.

Also since the mirror reacts to the elements the mirror is impacted with wont it just create an element to counter that one. That's the way it would work. Only thing i see that could get around it is noot hitting it but hat would require going around it which could be dangerous having itachi and sasunoo in a blind spot. That sword should always be in view. Otherwise itachi will take advantage of your blind spot and hit you and its game over.

(im replying to the corresponding paragraphs)

Im sorry but your a complete idiot xd Read what this thread is about first. This isnt about who can beat itachi. I created this thread because i think advanced natures could be a possible weakness of the yata mirror. Im not underrating itachi or the mirror. And im not saying anyone who has an affinity for 2 or more elements can beat itachi. Where the hell did you come up with that. Please read carefully.

I dont remember who brought up muu. Mabe I did :shrug: but I initially didnt. I just think muu in general is a horrible match up for itachi. He can take to the sky and be out of itachi's range and become invisible using the hiding with camouflage techniques - hes mastered the technique to the point where his chakra become completely erased, therefore itachi, even with his sharingan, will not be able to locate him. Even sensors cant, except gaara and his sand (its physical). And there are others who can defeat itachi who cant combine 2 elements eg. nagato (I think), perhaps minato, shisui (kotoamatsukami) etc.

I never said people with dust release (I'm talking about advanced natures in general) CAN beat the mirror, I just think it might be a weakness. I NEVER underrated itachi of the yata mirror. Where the hell did you come up with that?

What the hell are you going on about lol? Lets just say if my theory is correct, that doesnt mean people who can combine 2 or more elements can beat itachi. I doubt mei can beat itachi. Im not talking about ninja's, im just talking about techniques which involve advanced natures. I think that the yata mirror cant negate advanced natures - this is just my theory.

Thats what it said in the databook - the yata mirror posses all the chakra natures (wind, fire, water, earth, lighting and yin/yang).

I'm not even gonna get into this.

In my opinion, i think the mirror can only react to basic elements, and not advanced natures. Again, this is only a theory. And wouldnt being in Itachi's blindspot, unseen, put you at an advantage???

AGAIN - this thread isnt about who can beat itachi bla bla bla. This just about the yata mirror and a POSSIBLE weakness.

Thannk you and in future, please read carefully

 

[Lt Iceman]

I've been seeing a lot of XXX vs itachi threads and many people who post say itachi will win because the yata mirror will make him invincible.

The thing I want to mention is in regards to elemental jutsu. According to the databook, the yata mirror is endowed with all chakra natures and it can change its own characteristics depending on the characteristics of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective.

But this doesnt mean it can negate attacks from ADVANCED natures, such as lava and dust. Part of the reason I mentioned itachi is because of the itachi vs muu match-up. Personally, I think muu would win (He's a terrible match-up).

So what does everyone think

Thanks!

***This isn't an itachi hate thread. It's in regards to the yata mirror and its possible weakness to advance natures***

Good theory

But no elemental attack is getting past Itachi's Susano'o,as the Data books states any elemental attack is countered with according element,wether it be a combination of one or multiple elements

Itachi's Yata can also boast to have tanked a real Lightning from the heaven itself,more powerful than an elemental lightning

btw i saw you confuse kekkei genkai and adavanced nature release:they're the same,because an advanced nature release is a kekkei genkai(bloodline limit)

 

[The Eye]

i see your point being that muu is able to completly hide himself and his chakra like he doesnt even live and the only way gara found him was because he stepped on his sand. itachi would ever have found him and wouldnt have the energy to win
i feel as if itachi carried the fight with saskue through will power lolz he was able to push himself that far.

 

[Kyuubikiller]

(yawn) I will come back when I get some sleep -__- zzzzzz Yal still have your heads too far up Itachi's ass to get it smdh

 

[HakkeKoshu]

Does Amaterasu shoot out of the users eye(High Speed) or does it appear where the user wants it to be?(Instant > HS)
If 2nd,Itachi/Sascake/Madara could just "imagine" their foe burning behind the Yata Mirror.

 

[tracytracy22]

Good theory

But no elemental attack is getting past Itachi's Susano'o,as the Data books states any elemental attack is countered with according element,wether it be a combination of one or multiple elements

Itachi's Yata can also boast to have tanked a real Lightning from the heaven itself,more powerful than an elemental lightning

btw i saw you confuse kekkei genkai and adavanced nature release:they're the same,because an advanced nature release is a kekkei genkai(bloodline limit)

Hi. Thank you for you respone - its one of the few thats relevant! I think the databook says that the mirror contains all chakra natures - but thats doesnt mean in contains advanced natures (they are completely new elements which are composed of two or more elements). I just have this feeling that the mirror cant negate an attack from lava, scorch, dust etc.

Oh, as for the "confusion". A lot of people where saying that noting can beat the mirror except kekkei genkai but kekkei genkai includes byakugan, shikotsumyaku etc - im only focusing on advanced nature kekkei genkai

 

[Itachi Minato]

Huh, interesting. Very interesting. did not know that.

that comment with ur avator looks hard

 

[PUNK]

did you get your idea from the 3rd naruto shippuden film? naruto vs hiruko, his dark release or whatever it was called failed to figure out the components of rasenshuriken and was unable to absorb it. madara's preta path did absorb rasenshuriken though.

well yea i was too confused but haruka power was to absorb and use the same technique so much like copying a jutsu like sharingan but preta path power is just to absorb it so it can be said that haruka didnt have enough power to copy it or cant copy it because of its element ......
but i wonder if kakashi copied that rasenshuriken .....he has seen it ?????

 

[siyo]

I've been seeing a lot of XXX vs itachi threads and many people who post say itachi will win because the yata mirror will make him invincible.

The thing I want to mention is in regards to elemental jutsu. According to the databook, the yata mirror is endowed with all chakra natures and it can change its own characteristics depending on the characteristics of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective.

But this doesnt mean it can negate attacks from ADVANCED natures, such as lava and dust. Part of the reason I mentioned itachi is because of the itachi vs muu match-up. Personally, I think muu would win (He's a terrible match-up).

So what does everyone think

Thanks!

***This isn't an itachi hate thread. It's in regards to the yata mirror and its possible weakness to advance natures***

Good post.It's hard to really talk about the yata mirror, because we don't know much about it.Zetzu said Itachi was invincible with it, but he also said that amaterasu was unavoidable i.e. we can't take anything he says seriously.

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Itachi wouldn't. Even need Sasuno to tbeat Itachi,genjutsu would easily do the tricck and beat Muu with out a sweat

 

[Retsu]

You know what? I was gonna make this thread earlier today but I had to go work, but I wanted to discuss a possible weakness I thought up, lets say Naruto threw a Rasenshuriken at the mirror, now the mirror changes elements according to what strikes it right?

So if Naruto uses his special, the mirror's element changes to wind, but right after naruto's tech, lets say Sasuke uses a fire type jutsu, while the yata mirror is still defending from naruto's attack, it should shatter, because it'll have wind element and will be getting hit by fire.

That sounds like some crap Itachi would use himself imho, what do you think?

I know I'm quoting myself, but I don't think anybody read my post on my theory of the yata mirror's supposed weakness