Yata mirror possible weakness

[Lt Iceman]

Hi. Thank you for you respone - its one of the few thats relevant! I think the databook says that the mirror contains all chakra natures - but thats doesnt mean in contains advanced natures (they are completely new elements which are composed of two or more elements). I just have this feeling that the mirror cant negate an attack from lava, scorch, dust etc.

Oh, as for the "confusion". A lot of people where saying that noting can beat the mirror except kekkei genkai but kekkei genkai includes byakugan, shikotsumyaku etc - im only focusing on advanced nature kekkei genkai

Ok yeah it's true what you said about the mirror but sure you have to admit that that sentence isn't disproving my point,that the mirror contains all chakra natures doens't necessarily mean it doesn't/can't counter multiple advanced chakra natures...moreover i say this because for example kakashi countered a wind+fire jutsu from kakuzu simply with a water release...hope you get the point now

As for those people that were saying nothing can beat the mirror except kekkei genkai,tell them to go re-read the manga,it was stated that nothing can get past the mirror(including advanced nature kekkei genkai) but it was an hyperbole stated by zetsu so if we take that statement as true it includes even kekkei genkais,and so their claims are BS

 

[devil naruto]

maybe

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

I've been seeing a lot of XXX vs itachi threads and many people who post say itachi will win because the yata mirror will make him invincible.

The thing I want to mention is in regards to elemental jutsu. According to the databook, the yata mirror is endowed with all chakra natures and it can change its own characteristics depending on the characteristics of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective.

But this doesnt mean it can negate attacks from ADVANCED natures, such as lava and dust. Part of the reason I mentioned itachi is because of the itachi vs muu match-up. Personally, I think muu would win (He's a terrible match-up).

So what does everyone think

Thanks!

***This isn't an itachi hate thread. It's in regards to the yata mirror and its possible weakness to advance natures***

I disagree completely if yata mirror has an weakness its non elemental & taijutsu attacks.

U keep pointing out ADVANCED but the key word is CHAKRA NATURE susanoo adapts to ALL CHAKRA NATURES ALL mixed/advanced/strengthened it shouldn't matter.

Dust release is the name of the chakra nature it has its own jutsu which are on different level.
Even if it destroys susanoo doesn't mean whom eva is using susanoo will die

 

[lswhyte123]

Yes the mirror contains the basic nature types including yin/yang but dont you realise that advanced natures are completely different - they are a whole new element. Just because it contains the basic natures doesnt mean in contains advanced natures. I have a feeling that the mirror will not be able to negate advanced natures - its only my theory. I hope we can get a chance to see it in the manga. And as itachi said, everything has a weakness xd

He said every technique. Yata is not a technique. Having all the chakra natures means being able to use all the Kekkei Genkai. So it can repel all chakra natures, including the ones that are not simple natures. eg dust. Cheers xd

Im sorry but incase you didnt know - muu's mastery of the hiding with camouflage technique (which makes him turn invisible) erases his chakra, therefore sensors (regular) and sharingan will not be able to locate muu.

Thanks! Btw you can go back and read the manga and you'll see that his chakra disappears completely.

Enough with the sarcasm. I'm aware that Muu hides his chakra, I read the manga. I reckon though that someone as smart as Itachi would be able to notice him, whether by Sharingan or not. Sharingan gives the user excellent tracking abilities and elthough the sensor didn't notice him. None of them had Sharingan. I think the Sharingan would pick up his movements.

 

[Lankeysob]

Ok yeah it's true what you said about the mirror but sure you have to admit that that sentence isn't disproving my point,that the mirror contains all chakra natures doens't necessarily mean it doesn't/can't counter multiple advanced chakra natures...moreover i say this because for example kakashi countered a wind+fire jutsu from kakuzu simply with a water release...hope you get the point now

As for those people that were saying nothing can beat the mirror except kekkei genkai,tell them to go re-read the manga,it was stated that nothing can get past the mirror(including advanced nature kekkei genkai) but it was an hyperbole stated by zetsu so if we take that statement as true it includes even kekkei genkais,and so their claims are BS

Exactly bro, it was a HYPERBOLE. Zetsu said it was "almost" invincible not that it was completely. Then again, we don't write the manga so we don't know what it can or can't be broken with.

I disagree completely if yata mirror has an weakness its non elemental & taijutsu attacks.

U keep pointing out ADVANCED but the key word is CHAKRA NATURE susanoo adapts to ALL CHAKRA NATURES ALL mixed/advanced/strengthened it shouldn't matter.

Dust release is the name of the chakra nature it has its own jutsu which are on different level.
Even if it destroys susanoo doesn't mean whom eva is using susanoo will die

Yeah, most likely if any thing will be able to penetrate the Yata Mirror, it will probably be the TBB. The mirror supposedly protects from nature transformations by using the counter of that nature transformation. However, the TBB is not a nature transformation. It's a mix of yin and yang chakra, so it seems less likely there would be an antithesis to counter it.

 

[lswhyte123]

The Yata Mirror was carried by Itachi's Susanoo in its left hand. It is considered one of the three sacred treasures and is endowed with all nature transformations, it can change its own characteristics depending on the characteristics of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective.

There, as it states. The Yata Mirror does not just contain the nature types, it contains the Transformations too. It is a mirror btw so the effects are instant, there is no gap to be capitalized on. So using one nature, then another quickly would not affect it.

Have a settled this Debate yet?

 

[kadowade]

IT said it blocked all techniques it contacts and repels it! Thats why When Sasuke stabbed the Yata Mirror he flew back=away from= opposite direction= Reversed= bakcwards. Sasuke isn't a Nature Type" But he STILL was repeled, instead of just simply "blocked".

So we cannot say anything can destroy the Yata Mirror until we see the Yata mirror in action.

 

[RAMKAD]

Very possible but yet the mirrow was tested by a weak sasuke and overconfident oro. Yet Another weakness might be a super stronge physical attacks like tsunade ,sakura, raikage A, and sage mode naruto tiajutsu .this May be effective against it. But what ever, first it was neji's gentil fist then gaara's sand then naruto's n.t cloak then itachi/sasuke&madara's sunanoo then riakage L.armor, all this were all defence shown through out the series that was broken one time in the show .so i say the same thing will happen to the yata mirrow just wait and see.

 

[kadowade]

Another weakness might be super stronge physical attacks like tsunade ,sakura, raikage A, and sage mode naruto tiajutsu. May be effective against it.

Hell to the FK Naw. :flaw: They will be repeled. Spiritual>Physical.

 

[Araag]

Technically the yata mirror is invincible to elemental attacks because it can alter the element that it is made up of in order to be resistant to an attack.

Kekkei genkai don't have an inherent elemental weakness like normal elements, so theoretically, the yata mirror shouldn't be invulnerable to these types of attacks.

 

[Necron]

well, I guess all we can do is wait and see... Since Itachi goes after Kabuto, he propably will have to fight Muu eventually... My personal oppinion is it will still work 60% and 40% it can't be used with advanced chakra...

 

[Kyuubikiller]

OK, so how about this. The Yata mirror MAY be invincible, and that's a big MAYBE, but Susanoo is not, Susanoo and it's user will be destroyed.

 

[TheGrayWizard]

IMO, the way to deal with Yata Mirror is to go around it. It is indestructible? Very well, I'm not aiming for the mirror, I'm aiming for the user.
As someone before posted, Yata Mirror is a shield. That shield can repel any attack that comes to you, or, in other words, any attack that has to move through the space to close the distance. So, if a shinobi uses "non-moving" techniques (uses them in a smart way, that is), he won't have to worry about any repelling

Genjutsu: You all know how they work, Yata Mirror is out of the question. Though, the MS required to have Susano in the first place, pretty much makes them worthless.
Space-Time: You disappear, you appear. No moving at all.
Gravity: Kakashi already said it in his fight with Deva Path. This is not a blast that pushes you (and moves towards you). You are the one that is moved.
Dust: Well, If you are already inside the volume, you're done. Simply because you're literally engulfed in the technique. BUT, it is not certain if the Mirror can block the expansion of the cube (cone, sphere, etc.).

 

[lswhyte123]

well, I guess all we can do is wait and see... Since Itachi goes after Kabuto, he propably will have to fight Muu eventually... My personal oppinion is it will still work 60% and 40% it can't be used with advanced chakra...

Dude. Stop!! Read my comment below!!

Technically the yata mirror is invincible to elemental attacks because it can alter the element that it is made up of in order to be resistant to an attack.

Kekkei genkai don't have an inherent elemental weakness like normal elements, so theoretically, the yata mirror shouldn't be invulnerable to these types of attacks.

Yes!! Well done, someone gets it!!

Hell to the FK Naw. :flaw: They will be repeled. Spiritual>Physical.

Dude +rep, you actually understand the function of the yata mirror...dundundun, it's Fudgin mirror!! Why can't everyone get that?!!

IT said it blocked all techniques it contacts and repels it! Thats why When Sasuke stabbed the Yata Mirror he flew back=away from= opposite direction= Reversed= bakcwards. Sasuke isn't a Nature Type" But he STILL was repeled, instead of just simply "blocked".

So we cannot say anything can destroy the Yata Mirror until we see the Yata mirror in action.

Nothing can!! Very well done for understanding the actuality that is physics. If something repels & reflects everything, nothing beats it. Already +rep you!!

Again, I post the Truth about the Yata Mirror. This is Direct FACT, nothing dissproves this so quiet people. If you do not agree, then you are wrong. No magic/element/physical force(no matter how big)Kekkei Genkai can touch it.

The Yata Mirror was carried by Itachi's Susanoo in its left hand. It is considered one of the three sacred treasures and is endowed with all nature transformations, it can change its own characteristics depending on the characteristics of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective.

There, as it states. The Yata Mirror does not just contain the nature types, it contains the Transformations too. It is a mirror btw so the effects are instant, there is no gap to be capitalized on. So using one nature, then another quickly would not affect it.

Have a settled this Debate yet?

 

[lswhyte123]

IMO, the way to deal with Yata Mirror is to go around it. It is indestructible? Very well, I'm not aiming for the mirror, I'm aiming for the user.
As someone before posted, Yata Mirror is a shield. That shield can repel any attack that comes to you, or, in other words, any attack that has to move through the space to close the distance. So, if a shinobi uses "non-moving" techniques (uses them in a smart way, that is), he won't have to worry about any repelling

Genjutsu: You all know how they work, Yata Mirror is out of the question. Though, the MS required to have Susano in the first place, pretty much makes them worthless.
Space-Time: You disappear, you appear. No moving at all.
Gravity: Kakashi already said it in his fight with Deva Path. This is not a blast that pushes you (and moves towards you). You are the one that is moved.
Dust: Well, If you are already inside the volume, you're done. Simply because you're literally engulfed in the technique. BUT, it is not certain if the Mirror can block the expansion of the cube (cone, sphere, etc.).

You are correct to say that you cannot attack the mirror, the only way is to go around it. Well done for comprehending

Genjutsu is poss but an unlikely tech as you said. The Susanoo user, likely has a very advanced level of Genjutsu.
Space time nin: Very good and probably the best chance to get near the user. Problem of getting caught by either Tsukuyomi,Amaterasu or sealed by the sword is a real danger. Getting close to a Susanoo is not advised
Dust: Requires that the user manages to pull the move off without being hit by any of the long range MS tech's. Unlikely as that is, the Susanoo provides a good shell of protection which might allow the user time to escape. That said, as long as dust can get past Yata, it will win. AFAIK

 

[Retsu]

I already came up with a possible weakness for the yata mirror, that weakness is in how the mirror has to switch to a particular element to defend against it, so lets say if temari uses a sustained wind attack and forces Itachi to block with the yata mirror.

If Sasuke were to follow up with an attack whilst the mirror is still blocking temari's sustained wind attack with a strong fire tech, the mirror should break seeing as I doubt it can have two elemental types at once.

It certainly seems like something Itachi would do with his water and fire elements were he in that situation.

you basically have to attack it with a sustained elemental attack at first, and then you attack it with the latter element's weakness, such as wind and fire, fire and water, water and lightning, and etc.

 

[lswhyte123]

I already came up with a possible weakness for the yata mirror, that weakness is in how the mirror has to switch to a particular element to defend against it, so lets say if temari uses a sustained wind attack and forces Itachi to block with the yata mirror.

If Sasuke were to follow up with an attack whilst the mirror is still blocking temari's sustained wind attack with a strong fire tech, the mirror should break seeing as I doubt it can have two elemental types at once.

It certainly seems like something Itachi would do with his water and fire elements were he in that situation.

you basically have to attack it with a sustained elemental attack at first, and then you attack it with the latter element's weakness, such as wind and fire, fire and water, water and lightning, and etc.

Nope. You are an arse. This is not fact at all. This is just your speculation. The Yata Mirror is a mirror and acts as quickly. If you are saying that there is a delay in how quickly a mirror can cast a relextion, then please explain your physics. Don't come to a post and talk rubbish. Prove ur point.
It does not have to switch. It does so automatically!!

:flaw:

 

[Volcanikage]

this, because diedara couldn't even defend against the genjutsu. i am sure muu can't break tsukoyomi. even sharingan users have only a 15% chance of breaking it. plus on top of his quick movements.. i do not think muu can keep up.

iTACHI FAN WHERE ARE TALKING ABOUT YATA MIRROR WEAKNESS NOT ITACHI VS MUU :flaw:

 

[Volcanikage]

:no_ignore:

Nope. You are an arse. This is not fact at all. This is just your speculation. The Yata Mirror is a mirror and acts as quickly. If you are saying that there is a delay in how quickly a mirror can cast a relextion, then please explain your physics. Don't come to a post and talk rubbish. Prove ur point.
It does not have to switch. It does so automatically!!

:flaw:

LOL IS FUNNY WHEN YOU SAY GET YOUR FACT STRAIGHT WHEN YOU DONT HAVE YOUR TELL ME WHERE DO IS SAY IT DOES IT AUTOMATICALLY :no_ignore:

 

[Retsu]

Nope. You are an arse. This is not fact at all. This is just your speculation. The Yata Mirror is a mirror and acts as quickly. If you are saying that there is a delay in how quickly a mirror can cast a relextion, then please explain your physics. Don't come to a post and talk rubbish. Prove ur point.
It does not have to switch. It does so automatically!!

:flaw:

butt hurt Itachi fan, you don't even know how the mirror works, so you don't know if I'm wrong or not, so you are an @$$. This is the basic Itachi fan's rhetoric, say something that tarnishes Itachi's invincible rep and they come out the wood work like termites screaming why it won't work as if they made the show, lol

As far as I'm concerned this is a valid possible weakness