Jiraiya in sm is no doubt a strong ninja, but his feat in sm still wasnt impressive. If it wasnt for the frogs genjutsu, he wouldnt have been able to kill those 3 peins. Thats what alot of people seem to forget when they say jiraiya killed 3 peins.You are Being Very one sided.
The Way you are making it sound is that Jman even with Sm is just a Fodder Ninja that Itachi can Beat with No problems.
Also Both times Oro got Owned by itachi was Due to Lack of knowledge on Itachi, First time he underestimated Itachi and his powers with Genjutsu. Second time He had No Idear that Itachi had the Totsuka sword.
With Full knowledge of Itachi's and his Genjutsu, Susanoo + weapons i Highly doubt Oro will allow himself to be Beaten so Easily again. but Ofc in a 1v1 even with knowledge i still think Itachi would win, Unless Oro uses Edo.
No doubt that side characters get more feats but both kisame and jiraiya are side characters. Asi i said jiraiya only has hype around him, when he did fight against pein he wasnt impressive. Kisame has showed more impressive battle feat.Just because someone has been showcased more then another character doesn't make them the victor, side characters have more feats then Minato does but we all know that he can most likely win against them, and Kisame having more impressive battle feats is just a matter of opinion.
The thread says they are fighting in the Sannin battlefield, which is kind of vague because I don't know what that looks like lol But lets say there is a pond or something, Jiraiya can easily adapt to that terrain with his toad summons, and being in SM, Kisame would have to be cautious about absorbing his chakra because we all know what happens when you take in natural energy without being used to handling it.
idk man, I'm just not convinced enough that Kisame is capable of taking any of the Sannins out.
i still dont see your point as frogs dont mind water and snakes can swim in the water...No doubt that side characters get more feats but both kisame and jiraiya are side characters. Asi i said jiraiya only has hype around him, when he did fight against pein he wasnt impressive. Kisame has showed more impressive battle feat.
Also it doesnt matter were the op said the fight would take place. We have seen kisame in action and from what we know he would turn the battle field into an ocean in no time. His ideal battle location. Replace bee with sm jiraiya. Thats what kisame fused with samahada would do to sm jiraiya
Itachi solo's them with mid difficulty.
As I said, whether you think Jiraiya's battle feats are less impressive then Kisame's is a matter of opinion, I will reread both fights in the manga to get a better idea of each of the fighters, but I really don't see Kisame doing much to Jiraiya considering his main source of power comes from Samehada, which is practically useless in absorption because he can't absorb sage chakra.No doubt that side characters get more feats but both kisame and jiraiya are side characters. Asi i said jiraiya only has hype around him, when he did fight against pein he wasnt impressive. Kisame has showed more impressive battle feat.
Also it doesnt matter were the op said the fight would take place. We have seen kisame in action and from what we know he would turn the battle field into an ocean in no time. His ideal battle location. Replace bee with sm jiraiya. Thats what kisame fused with samahada would do to sm jiraiya
It might be an opinion but its also a fact.As I said, whether you think Jiraiya's battle feats are less impressive then Kisame's is a matter of opinion, I will reread both fights in the manga to get a better idea of each of the fighters, but I really don't see Kisame doing much to Jiraiya considering his main source of power comes from Samehada, which is practically useless in absorption because he can't absorb sage chakra.
And also, you did skip the fact that Jiraiya can easily adapt to water terrain just as good as Kisame can using the toad summons, so no, the battle would most definitely not be the same as it was with KB, and plus KB was also trying to protect his master, without that distraction KB would most definitely have won.
No.... Just absolutely noItachi solo's them with mid difficulty.
Ma and Pa will be simultaneously be molding his chakra and utilize it for sage mode and harness natural energy, so that's out of question. Remember the fight between Jiraiya and Pain, and how long j man stayed in sage mode without expressing any lack of stability or fatigue.It might be an opinion but its also a fact.
Also im really not sure were people get this garbage idea that kisame's main source of power is samahada. Kisame by himself has been noted to have a crazy amount of chakra. Neji compared his 30% chakra clone to kyuubi naruto.
As i said he himself has arguably the most chakra reserves in the manga, excluding jinchuricki's.
Secondly samahada can no doubt absorb sage chakra. Im not sure where again you got this garbage from. He will no doubt turn into a frog, but he can absorb it. Also sm mode doesnt stay forever.
Infact the longer the battle continues the higher chance of jiraiya turning into a frog, because his chakra will decrease in proportion which his ninjutsu's and when his chakra is low, he risks the natural energy overpowering the little chakra he has left. Then again he would know this and wouldnt stay in sm mode forever.
Kisame on the otherhand can fuse with samahada till the end of the fight. Also im not sure where you got the idea that jiraiya can adapt to water terrain just as good as kisame. Let me as ask you this. Can jiraiya breath underwater?.
As i said replace bee, with jiraiya because thats exactly what is going to happen if jiraiya faces kisame