Sannin Really Aren't Powerful

[siyo]

Sacrifice doesn't have anything to with battle strength. so yes that does make sense. and your not Kage level just because your a chosen to be Kage because no one else is available. thats like saying if all the Jonin and Chunnin had died to Pain a genin chosen is Kage level. He meets the criteria of being a kage but he doesn't have the strength of a Kage overall or the stamina. just overall as the position of being a Kage. and yes when we got to the Zabuza part who was the strongest character in Naruto that we knew of other than the Hokage? so yes my points you bolded do make sense

in regards to your statements. i never said he only beat one Kage. i said in the manga it only showed him beating one. i don't care about the scrubs they beat in the war. i didnt say they were weak and couldn't kill a fly. you do not measure a person's battle strength by anything other than their battle strength. nothing else contributes to their battle. its not that hard to understand. and no if he was Kage level he would have been chosen before the problem was introduced the Tsunade was in a coma. the village doesn't put him in regards of being a Kage. The elders kinda described that. you are trying to put things that aren't there and saying they are clear when really they aren't. I just took what the manga gave me

I don't want to go into the Kakashi debate with you, but he is a kage level fighter- it simply means that he could potentially be the hokage.

Anyhow, are you saying that you don't acknowlegde Oro's win over a Kage simply because you didn't see it? Are you kidding me.I give up...With your logic the Uchiha massacre didn't happen, Hashirama is weak, since we haven't seen his skills,and his match against madara doesn't exist.S06p is just a myth, etc....


If Orochimaru defeated two Kages how can you say that he isn't powerful?, when the Kages are the strongest/most powerful guys/gals in their village.

 

[lXxNaGaToxXl]

crazy person legendary sannins are amazingly strong. what are you smoking?

 

[GodSasuke]

Actually ive got alot of +rep and private messages saying that I made excellent. ive also received negative. the only troll is you because if someone has made a good fact in argument to my statement ive told them that and rep them. go back and look ***. and clearly your a troll. who stays on a thread they think its stupid? spells troll like your avatar. just stfu

Again, you proved your idiocy here. Either your a fuc*king idiot or fuc*king blind. Can´t u fuc*king read what `people post. They disagree with you and call you a troll cuz you are one. It´s ok don´t feel utterly bad and lie to yourself about the bolded part because we all know its not true.

 

[dazmycheezypoof]

So Kakashi is Kage level?

he has Mangekyō Sharingan

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Jirayia knows himself more than anybody. actually anybody knows themselves better than anyone else. minato was a student so he's not gonna say he sucks



You base this on?

Skills, experience, tactics, amount of ninjutsu, intelligence, and much more.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

CHAOTIC BLADES,

At best, you are a shemale retard, even that is a stretch... Probably i'm doing a disservice to those by calling you as one of them...

am i suppose to cry cause someone thinks they are an internet thug? plz gtfo and stfu

i disagree, the picked kakashi cuz he's copied and mastered over 1000 jutsus and has the sharingan making himcapaple og being a kage, also he's smart and quick thinking

he copied, not mastered over 1000 justus. and having the sharingan doesn't automatically make you a Kage level ninja

real talk ur post dosnt mean anything, you clearly aren't a true fan and kno everything that goes on in naruto, people like you get me angry lol no offense im just saying

you mad? i guess everybody on NB knows everything about everything in Naruto. dont like my opinion gtfo. not hard

I think you have some good points, but the Sannin are still strong. Remember how powerful the 6 Paths actually were - only Naruto could beat them. And that was around the time where Naruto became the boring hero who always saves everybody. So I really don't think that makes Jiraya weak. And Tsunade is showing more and more of her strength in the war - she seems like a pretty good leader thus far.

The only one I might agree with is Orochimaru, since I always found him overrated. And nasty...!

You must be registered for see images

I agree they are strong

Yooooooo ur narubass vid on youtube is the most awesome, amazing and epic thing ive ever seen! u must do more!

Thanks it is epicxd but I didn't make it.

wtf,..... none of u know anything about kakashi!!!!!so stfu.

he is stronger than the three legendary sannin.

you jirayia fanboys are like this guy believe it or not. you just refuse to see yourself as one

You must be registered for see links

Pain says he might not have won if he had know his secret and stfu:flaw:

You can say that about every charcter. If you know the secrets to your opponent of course you would have a better chance of winning. thats retarded for anyone to exclaim as their point.

And what is a Kagelevel? Its just your opinion, that he is no kagelevelninja
And Oro... come on he fought 4 tailed Naruto and survived a tiled beastbomb

yes it is my opinion. I never claimed to be a fact. i voiced my opinion. some of you disagreed. others like you rage over a fictional character and bash me. over an opinion...he survived a tbb....hmm...didn't suigestu(spelling?) survive one too?

Sure? the second hadnt shown any special power, Kakashi did and kakashi would defeat that guy Tobirama, until we now more about him.

not the best logic to use for numerous reasons

^Agreed. Kakashi is NEAR LOW-TIER Kage lvl, but to be honest he's really just high jounin lvl. (and a mid-high tier jounins power is just....FAR BEYOND IMAGINING.....words cannot describeO.OO.O).
p.s. so imagine even higher ranked ninjas.O.O

this brings up a good point. there should probably be more ranks in Naruto to decipher ninjas better

but your argument isnt very sound here, with that argument, we could say none of the kages were offered the job because they were truly the most powerful, they were offered the job because the villages couldnt find someone better. Also the sannin title was more of a group endowment than anything because, honestly the 3 of them together could take out most anybody, maybe even a few tailed beasts.

Minato was offered the job as well as the 1st. jirayia got owned by four-tail naruto. orochimaru had to retreat from it. no they can't

the title sanin is given to strong shinobi snm

sannin means 3. it was given to them by hanzo. its not a title or rank.:flaw:

Saying someone is not powerful in this series is basically saying they are weak. We have never seen J-man at full power in a battle. He was 30% in the Sannin fight, and he was still able to summon a swamp and cheif toad. I just like evidence to prove someones opinion, and so far no one has proved they are weak. I give facts for everything I state, and if someones wants to prove their point, the same needs to be given. I don't mind your opinion, but no facts have been given that they are not powerful.

No its not. taking words out context than yes. not my fault you can't read in between the lines. Was he not at full power against Pain. Naruto summoned chief toad after exhausting all his energy, while the fox happened to lend him just enough for him to summon chief toad and he spent the whole day riding on a bucking toad with his chakra depleted. again that was kind of pathetic of Jirayia. I give facts just like everyone else. If you choose to ignore them thats on you but it doesnt stop it from being a fact

Anyhow, are you saying that you don't acknowlegde Oro's win over a Kage simply because you didn't see it? Are you kidding me.

lets back up. I never actually stated that. you had just threw out there that Oro beat two. i knew he beat two. I was just saying we didn't see it. it kinda implies that i am saying it so i apologize from your angle. but im not. it was stated in the manga so it happened

Again, you proved your idiocy here. Either your a fuc*king idiot or fuc*king blind. Can´t u fuc*king read what `people post. They disagree with you and call you a troll cuz you are one. It´s ok don´t feel utterly bad and lie to yourself about the bolded part because we all know its not true.

another internet thug behind a screen. so sadU_U

he has Mangekyō Sharingan

that doesn't make him Kage level. just impressive that he unlocked it being a nonuchiha

 

[Ocean soul]

This thread is basically outling why the Sannin (Orochimaru, Jirayia, and Tsunade), aren't powerful like people think they are.

While are three are considered Kage level or S-Rank ninjas know feat gives them this title. All of them had been considered for Hokage before, however only because of limited ninja strength available. Kakashi was also elected for Hokage and he is no where near Kage level.

Orchimaru attacked the leaf village years after he left. During this time the
3rd Hokage got older and the 4th Hokage sacrificed his life during the Nine Tailed Fox attack. Even by summoning the 1st Hokage and 2nd Hokage and having the Sound Four blocking outsiders into the fight he barely could manage to come out with a win against an old 3rd Hokage who was nowhere near in his prime.

With that being said that was the only time in the manga showing any of the 3 Sannin winning a match. There name, Sannin, was given to them by Hanzo, who was considered one of the strongest ninjas at the time only in spot that they manage to hold their own and not die in 5 seconds to him like common enemies that approached Hanzo. They basically were pitied upon. The same ninja lost to Nagato who was only a few years trained with his Rinnegan.

This same Nagato created his 6 paths of pain and managed to kill Jirayia in SM. Jirayia was at his with end with arguably 3 of his weaker paths. Many people argue had Jirayia known Pains secret he would have won. This is far-fetched as he could only beat 3 Pains with genjutsu with the assistance of Ma and Pa and was his last resort at beating Pain. Same token had Pain even knew Jirayia could use genjustu 3 Pains would have been enough to take him out.

In the fight between the Sannins all the parties look pathetic against each other in probably one of the worst fights in the manga between 3 highly known characters. All 3 were handicapped for one reason or another due to their poor judgement or inability to sense. Orochimaru had no hands due to the fact of his battle with the 3rd Hokage. Jirayia let Tsunade poison him with some drug. And the fact that he said he was at 30% is laughable. 30% is pretty high considering he was getting his ass handed to him by a No Sign Weilding Orochimaru. Tsunade was recovering from her trauma but her so called strength run out temporarily and didn't have enough of it to kill a weak Orochimaru.

Orochimaru ended up losing to Itachi and Sasuke. Most people argue he was weak against Sasuke lying in bed. However knowing that his body is getting weak why would he think it would be easy to take over Sasuke? Also if Sasuke overspammed MS and started losing vision who's fault is it that he's weak because of it? Orochimaru was ill because his body-transferring technique only allows him to have certain bodies for a certain period of time before it rejects him. His illness is cause by himself in other to stay immortal. This has yet to be seen in Kabuto as well.

Jirayia fails to master justus before Naruto does. Naruto learned Rasegan and a completed SM way before Jirayia even mastered them. Jirayia even considers himself a failure

There's no denying that they are strong. However, they aren't as powerful as their names give them. They were good in Part 1 because not enough characters were introduced. When you see the whole picture they aren't too powerful and most ninjas can stand their ground with them even if they lose

im sorry but i have to let you know how stupid u are. u r probably a ****ing kid or something like that... may be with some learning problem or i dont ****ing know.
insted ,if u just typed this mother****ness being "high" or "wated".... consider urself a lucky mother****er!.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

im sorry but i have to let you know how stupid u are. u r probably a ****ing kid or something like that... may be with some learning problem or i dont ****ing know.
insted ,if u just typed this mother****ness being "high" or "wated".... consider urself a lucky mother****er!.

your avatar explains it all.U_U

You must be registered for see images

 

[drooly03]

dont underestimate the 3 sannin... they are of kage level... however... as the story goes on... kishi introduced more characters including other respectable ninjas outside the fire country... thus, a lot of kage level ninjas emerged in the manga... so the situation now is that there are a lot of kage level ninjas.... at some point one is going to be stronger than the other right?.... just because there are now a lot of ninjas that may be able to beat a sannin doesnt mean that the sannin are weak... its just that there is someone stronger... anyway, i believe the sannin are at par with most kages... but eventually there will be a winner at some point.... because if the 3 sannin are strong like you want them to be... then the leaf should have already owned the other nations..... so again.... the sannin are not weak... kishi just introduced the wide world of narutoverse, meaning there are a lot of ninjas that can be a match to the sannin and kages

 

[YellowFlashSage]

Actually i have yet to see you give facts that the Sannin are not "powerful". And i am going to say this, the weaker you are, the less powerful you are. In this arugement, you are stating that they are not as powerful a Kishi said they were in the manga. Why would he know anything about his own manga. Meaning they are weaker, or weak in your mind, in comparison to 3 peins, not just one person, but 3. If J-man was to fight each pein one on one, he would win no questions asked, even 2 on one he would. The only Pein that would win is the edo pein if they fought one on one.

 

[Black Adam]

Sure? the second hadnt shown any special power, Kakashi did and kakashi would defeat that guy Tobirama, until we now more about him.

ok I was agreeing with your other posts, you had me until this ^^^

how can you sit there and say Kakashi could beat the 2nd?? if you're basing this simply off of the fact that we never saw him (the 2nd) fight then you should just stop....

 

[Owarij]

Lol@ kakashi beat the 2nd strongest senju

 

[Red Slayer]

fail thread

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Actually i have yet to see you give facts that the Sannin are not "powerful". And i am going to say this, the weaker you are, the less powerful you are. In this arugement, you are stating that they are not as powerful a Kishi said they were in the manga. Why would he know anything about his own manga. Meaning they are weaker, or weak in your mind, in comparison to 3 peins, not just one person, but 3. If J-man was to fight each pein one on one, he would win no questions asked, even 2 on one he would. The only Pein that would win is the edo pein if they fought one on one.

im not saying anything like that. I was saying in Part 1 they seem powerful because they are the most powerful things introduced. in part 2 there are considerably more ninjas that could challenge them. im not taking away their power but im saying there are more powerful ninjas. just like when zabuza was introduced. at the time he could have been considered the one of the stronger ninjas in the manga at the time. thats my case in regards to that. im not saying the sannin weak. the title is misleading. and i have stated facts in regards to their battle strength but ive guess people have chosen to regard them as facts even though its out there in the manga for everyone to see

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

As much as disagree with @chaotic blade's terrible analysis & depiction of all the characters he named many of yall are hella wrong aswell and over rating mainly jiraiya.

Stop using itachi as an example of jiraiya's strength.
Jiraiya can beat kisame because he has an advantage in nature chakra having side effects when absorbed.(both with and without his sword he can absorb chakra).
Itachi on the other hand is too much for jiraiya I don't wanna get into this. But 2 on 1 jiraiya would have died no doubt itachi knowing he was kohona best didn't want to cripple the village even more
Itachi being a good guy looking out for his village lied to kisame.

On topic\all 3 sannin are worthy of being kages as far as strength and status in the ninja world.
Oro was the 3rd strongest in the akatsuki not counting tobi & even not knowing zetsu's full extent
Jiraiya was caught off guard after taking out 2 of the better paths really he can beat all 6 paths just not negato using all their powers himself.
Tsunade can kill almost any shinobi with 1 punch or knowledge of poison & the human body

Their not overrated if that's what ur tryna say only 2 have been surpassed and\or overshadowed...

P.s Don't diss kakashi

He is smarter than all the current kages except tsunade + he can i.k (instant kill) 3 out of 5 of the current kages

Also stop making up levels and ranks

 

[s0ulja]

This thread is basically outling why the Sannin (Orochimaru, Jirayia, and Tsunade), aren't powerful like people think they are.

While are three are considered Kage level or S-Rank ninjas know feat gives them this title. All of them had been considered for Hokage before, however only because of limited ninja strength available. Kakashi was also elected for Hokage and he is no where near Kage level.

Orchimaru attacked the leaf village years after he left. During this time the
3rd Hokage got older and the 4th Hokage sacrificed his life during the Nine Tailed Fox attack. Even by summoning the 1st Hokage and 2nd Hokage and having the Sound Four blocking outsiders into the fight he barely could manage to come out with a win against an old 3rd Hokage who was nowhere near in his prime.

With that being said that was the only time in the manga showing any of the 3 Sannin winning a match. There name, Sannin, was given to them by Hanzo, who was considered one of the strongest ninjas at the time only in spot that they manage to hold their own and not die in 5 seconds to him like common enemies that approached Hanzo. They basically were pitied upon. The same ninja lost to Nagato who was only a few years trained with his Rinnegan.

This same Nagato created his 6 paths of pain and managed to kill Jirayia in SM. Jirayia was at his with end with arguably 3 of his weaker paths. Many people argue had Jirayia known Pains secret he would have won. This is far-fetched as he could only beat 3 Pains with genjutsu with the assistance of Ma and Pa and was his last resort at beating Pain. Same token had Pain even knew Jirayia could use genjustu 3 Pains would have been enough to take him out.

In the fight between the Sannins all the parties look pathetic against each other in probably one of the worst fights in the manga between 3 highly known characters. All 3 were handicapped for one reason or another due to their poor judgement or inability to sense. Orochimaru had no hands due to the fact of his battle with the 3rd Hokage. Jirayia let Tsunade poison him with some drug. And the fact that he said he was at 30% is laughable. 30% is pretty high considering he was getting his ass handed to him by a No Sign Weilding Orochimaru. Tsunade was recovering from her trauma but her so called strength run out temporarily and didn't have enough of it to kill a weak Orochimaru.

Orochimaru ended up losing to Itachi and Sasuke. Most people argue he was weak against Sasuke lying in bed. However knowing that his body is getting weak why would he think it would be easy to take over Sasuke? Also if Sasuke overspammed MS and started losing vision who's fault is it that he's weak because of it? Orochimaru was ill because his body-transferring technique only allows him to have certain bodies for a certain period of time before it rejects him. His illness is cause by himself in other to stay immortal. This has yet to be seen in Kabuto as well.

Jirayia fails to master justus before Naruto does. Naruto learned Rasegan and a completed SM way before Jirayia even mastered them. Jirayia even considers himself a failure

There's no denying that they are strong. However, they aren't as powerful as their names give them. They were good in Part 1 because not enough characters were introduced. When you see the whole picture they aren't too powerful and most ninjas can stand their ground with them even if they lose

reason is very simple..they stopped their shinobi training...like naruto was to go around researching from now on..he'd be strong but his rivals would eventually surpass him

 

[home]

So Kakashi is Kage level?

no hes not he was offered the position of kage cause konoha was desperate.

and if he is kage level then he would be the weakest kage ever

 

[s0ulja]

As much as disagree with @chaotic blade's terrible analysis & depiction of all the characters he named many of yall are hella wrong aswell and over rating mainly jiraiya.

Stop using itachi as an example of jiraiya's strength.
Jiraiya can beat kisame because he has an advantage in nature chakra having side effects when absorbed.(both with and without his sword he can absorb chakra).
Itachi on the other hand is too much for jiraiya I don't wanna get into this. But 2 on 1 jiraiya would have died no doubt itachi knowing he was kohona best didn't want to cripple the village even more
Itachi being a good guy looking out for his village lied to kisame.

On topic\all 3 sannin are worthy of being kages as far as strength and status in the ninja world.
Oro was the 3rd strongest in the akatsuki not counting tobi & even not knowing zetsu's full extent
Jiraiya was caught off guard after taking out 2 of the better paths really he can beat all 6 paths just not negato using all their powers himself.
Tsunade can kill almost any shinobi with 1 punch or knowledge of poison & the human body

Their not overrated if that's what ur tryna say only 2 have been surpassed and\or overshadowed...

P.s Don't diss kakashi

He is smarter than all the current kages except tsunade + he can i.k (instant kill) 3 out of 5 of the current kages

Also stop making up levels and ranks

ermm..he took down few pains when it was 6v 1 ...2 v 1 shouldn't phase him...nagato>itachi

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

@soulja makes a good point look at hanzo

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

Itachi > nagato itachi more brains equally powerful jutsu

Negato is much better than the paths because he doesn't have the time, and switching restraints.
Its much e-za to point out each paths weakness and abilities