Sannin Really Aren't Powerful

[novacore]

most people who call others trolls are trolls themselves.

You just admitted you are a troll..... wow how dull can you get?

 

[~ You Know Who ~]

well thy r above s-rank

 

[shaf2e]

The Sanins are definitely one of the strongest team in Narutoverse, but individually, they are not as strong/skillful as the were mentioned to be.. As individual they are only top 50 strongest/skillful Shinobi..

 

[Guildmage]

first of all you have to know that there have only been SOME LITTLE AMOUNT OF STRONG CHARACTERS.......

*Madara, 4Hokages, 4 Raikages, 4 Mizukages, 5Kazekages, 3 Tsuchikages, Itachi, Bee, Nagato, Akatsuki regulars, Tobi, Kakashi, Gai, Darui, Hanzou, Danzou, Chiyo, Sasuke, Naruto...... Counting all of this there have been 52 of this strong characters, now if you add 3 sannins there would be 55.

55 OUT OF 250000 multiplied by four generations in which we supposedly are, it would be 55 SHINOBIS OUT OF 1000000 SHINOBIS IN THE HISTORY THAT IS A REAL FEAT, NO MATTER WHERE YOU STAND IN THE LEAGUE OF THE BIG ONES, YOU ARE STILL PART OF THAT MINIMUN GROUP......

 

[Alkaiser]

this thread shows that there are Jirayia fanboys. we dont hear about them because there are too many other fanboys(Sasuke, Itachi, Minato, etc) that outshine overthem. I say the Sannin are strong but not powerful and ya'll go on a rampage. even saying that they are 4 out of 5. if Pain hadn't beat Jirayia and Itachi not beat Orochimaru none of ya'll would have accepted the fact that they would lose to anyone. im not taking away how great they are, especially considering I have went out of my way to defend Tsunade when most people say she is worthless as Hokage, Jirayia has always been in my top 3, and Orochimaru is just bad ass. at the same token my purpose was to show originally Orochimaru was the main villian way back when and Jirayia being held as his equal. With the other villages being introduced and the power of the dead Kages, along with the raise of young ninjas, as well as the Akatasuki being shown I've come to realize they are above average ninjas that can fight with the best of anyone. But those days of been considered one of the top 10-15 are long gone. Other ninjas have been introduced and shown to be more powerful than them. nowhere does this state they are weak just that there are stronger ninjas.

I agree one of the main recuring morals of shippuden is the young over taking the old, The sanin's are powerful and as far as teams going probably still in the top 10(when they were at their peak) but they're being over taken by the next generation. I think if you had put this in your original post or changed the name you probably wouldn't have gotten flamed so hard xP

 

[kionay]

"Jirayia fails to master justus before Naruto does. Naruto learned Rasegan and a completed SM way before Jirayia even mastered them. Jirayia even considers himself a failure"

naruto's ability to learn a technique quickly is due to two things
insanly large charka ( thanks to the 9-tails )
and his shadow clones

anyone with these things can learn techniques quickly
js :-/

 

[ninjastormgenaration33]

Rep +1 dude,they are so overrated.

 

[naruttebayo]

yaaaaaa
actually even konohamaru can beat them. lol

 

[Jokule67]

lets get one thing straight jiriya is a sage done deal. he can beat most of the akatsuki one on one in a battle and they are kage level.he almost beat pain(practiced with rinnegan since a child...not a few years dude. he is older than kakashi). watch the fight over jiriya just lowered his gaurd he didnt kno their were six. naruto had info given 2 him, jiriya did not.

orochimaru is almost unkillable and incredibly evasive.
tsunade i agree. although she can continuously heal and has super strength.

 

[Jokule67]

The Sanins are definitely one of the strongest team in Narutoverse, but individually, they are not as strong/skillful as the were mentioned to be.. As individual they are only top 50 strongest/skillful Shinobi..

dude jiriya is strong. he did a hell of job with pain with no intel at all aand he is a sage with aesome jutsus. cant really say much 4 the other 2

 

[Jokule67]

jiriya beats- sasori, kakashi, hidan, orochimaru,tsunade, danzo, kakuzo, pain(said it himself), and hanzo

 

[Chaotic Blades]

it's not like ur point is totally crazy. but why all of this "if x had known y then z would have happened" rubbish? there are no ifs there are no maybes. what happens happens. that and quotation of the anime are my two biggest thread beefs on narutobase.

what exactly are you referring to?

Seriously?

How many times have I read a forum post and known someone was horribly inaccurate?

its one thing not to agree with my opinion but nothing i said was inaccurate. i didn't pull shit out of my a$$ and say sakura would obtain the sharingan. also where does it say i can't defend my logic by anyone who challenges it?

"Jirayia fails to master justus before Naruto does. Naruto learned Rasegan and a completed SM way before Jirayia even mastered them. Jirayia even considers himself a failure"

naruto's ability to learn a technique quickly is due to two things
insanly large charka ( thanks to the 9-tails )
and his shadow clones

anyone with these things can learn techniques quickly
js :-/

the nine tails didn't contribute to him learning the Rasegan or SM. in fact it actually hurt him(not physically)

lets get one thing straight jiriya is a sage done deal. he can beat most of the akatsuki one on one in a battle and they are kage level.he almost beat pain(practiced with rinnegan since a child...not a few years dude. he is older than kakashi). watch the fight over jiriya just lowered his gaurd he didnt kno their were six. naruto had info given 2 him, jiriya did not.

orochimaru is almost unkillable and incredibly evasive.
tsunade i agree. although she can continuously heal and has super strength.

I said Pain practiced his rinnegan for a few years because that's the amount of time Jirayia spent training them(3). Afterwards they began a quest for peace. they didnt fight anyone until Hanzo felt like he was gonna be challenged by the Akatsuki

jiriya beats- sasori, kakashi, hidan, orochimaru,tsunade, danzo, kakuzo, pain(said it himself), and hanzo

lol. that comes close to beating the quote in my sig as incredibly insane

 

[siyo]

That was more of the leaf who's strongest fighter was Kakashi at the time and he is nowhere near Kage. And yes they are strong. But there is nothing to say they are powerful which is a whole different category. And their accomplishments and sacrifice have nothing to do with their actual power. Why are people bringing that into the discussion? I would suggest rereading my original post instead of thinking what I said and knowing what I said. The fact is the 3 sannin were only looked upon as powerful because they were pretty much the only powerful thing introduced in Part 1. Now that we are seeing the ninja world as a whole, they title is based on respect way more than power

@ bolded parts; Does this even make sense to you?

Seriously,what are you talking about? Of course they are upper kage level fighters. All the things I wrote down were facts, and Oro defeated two Kages, not one (Gaara’s dad and Hiruzen).He created his own village and made the sand village his bitch. Hiruzen was still considered the strongest Kage, despite him not being his prime, which tells you something, because Oro managed to defeat a guy who was stronger than Onoki. Please tell me about another guy, who defeated two sitting kages? Yeah I thought so……

Jiraiya defeated Konan, you know the one who almost killed Tobi, and Jiraiya put up a great fight against the strongest guy in show (feat wise).

Tsunade showed enough chakra to save an entire village, and could do a thing the 4th raikage never could, use the teleportation tech. She can also kill you with her killer punch, or mess you up with rearrangement body tech.If you want to see all the people they’ve defeated, in the previous wars, you might, as well, go ask Kishi for it…I would love to see a gaiden, but until then the manga clearly paints a picture of them you don’t want to admit. As I said before, you can’t ignore statements made by guys like hiruzen, kakashi,minato,itachi, kisame, etc..

I don’t want to go into detail and start listing all of Jiraiya’s and Oro’s Justus/abilities, since it would take all day lol, but bottom-line is they could take most people down, so the moral is ; You measure a person’s strength via their abilities and overall accomplishments -not by all the fights you have personally seen. All you are doing is speculating/assuming, which will always be overruled by facts featured in the manga.

Finally, Kakashi is a kage level fighter. He was offered the position after Tsunade went into coma, so I don’t know how you can say that he isn’t. You can say that he just barely fits the requirements for a kage, but that’s pretty much it.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

@ bolded parts; Does this even make sense to you?

Seriously,what are you talking about? Of course they are upper kage level fighters. All the things I wrote down were facts, and Oro defeated two Kages, not one (Gaara’s dad and Hiruzen).He created his own village and made the sand village his bitch. Hiruzen was still considered the strongest Kage, despite him not being his prime, which tells you something, because Oro managed to defeat a guy who was stronger than Onoki. Please tell me about another guy, who defeated two sitting kages? Yeah I thought so……

Jiraiya defeated Konan, you know the one who almost killed Tobi, and Jiraiya put up a great fight against the strongest guy in show (feat wise).

Tsunade showed enough chakra to save an entire village, and could do a thing the 4th raikage never could, use the teleportation tech. She can also kill you with her killer punch, or mess you up with rearrangement body tech.If you want to see all the people they’ve defeated, in the previous wars, you might, as well, go ask Kishi for it…I would love to see a gaiden, but until then the manga clearly paints a picture of them you don’t want to admit. As I said before, you can’t ignore statements made by guys like hiruzen, kakashi,minato,itachi, kisame, etc..

I don’t want to go into detail and start listing all of Jiraiya’s and Oro’s Justus/abilities, since it would take all day lol, but bottom-line is they could take most people down, so the moral is ; You measure a person’s strength via their abilities and overall accomplishments -not by all the fights you have personally seen. All you are doing is speculating/assuming, which will always be overruled by facts featured in the manga.

Finally, Kakashi is a kage level fighter. He was offered the position after Tsunade went into coma, so I don’t know how you can say that he isn’t. You can say that he just barely fits the requirements for a kage, but that’s pretty much it.

Sacrifice doesn't have anything to with battle strength. so yes that does make sense. and your not Kage level just because your a chosen to be Kage because no one else is available. thats like saying if all the Jonin and Chunnin had died to Pain a genin chosen is Kage level. He meets the criteria of being a kage but he doesn't have the strength of a Kage overall or the stamina. just overall as the position of being a Kage. and yes when we got to the Zabuza part who was the strongest character in Naruto that we knew of other than the Hokage? so yes my points you bolded do make sense

in regards to your statements. i never said he only beat one Kage. i said in the manga it only showed him beating one. i don't care about the scrubs they beat in the war. i didnt say they were weak and couldn't kill a fly. you do not measure a person's battle strength by anything other than their battle strength. nothing else contributes to their battle. its not that hard to understand. and no if he was Kage level he would have been chosen before the problem was introduced the Tsunade was in a coma. the village doesn't put him in regards of being a Kage. The elders kinda described that. you are trying to put things that aren't there and saying they are clear when really they aren't. I just took what the manga gave me

 

[thievesgold]

CHAOTIC BLADES,

At best, you are a shemale retard, even that is a stretch... Probably i'm doing a disservice to those by calling you as one of them...

 

[King of Hell]

They are stronger than Jonins and Anbu black ops. Seems powerful to me.

 

[ero sannin]

i disagree, the picked kakashi cuz he's copied and mastered over 1000 jutsus and has the sharingan making himcapaple og being a kage, also he's smart and quick thinking

This thread is basically outling why the Sannin (Orochimaru, Jirayia, and Tsunade), aren't powerful like people think they are.

While are three are considered Kage level or S-Rank ninjas know feat gives them this title. All of them had been considered for Hokage before, however only because of limited ninja strength available. Kakashi was also elected for Hokage and he is no where near Kage level.

Orchimaru attacked the leaf village years after he left. During this time the
3rd Hokage got older and the 4th Hokage sacrificed his life during the Nine Tailed Fox attack. Even by summoning the 1st Hokage and 2nd Hokage and having the Sound Four blocking outsiders into the fight he barely could manage to come out with a win against an old 3rd Hokage who was nowhere near in his prime.

With that being said that was the only time in the manga showing any of the 3 Sannin winning a match. There name, Sannin, was given to them by Hanzo, who was considered one of the strongest ninjas at the time only in spot that they manage to hold their own and not die in 5 seconds to him like common enemies that approached Hanzo. They basically were pitied upon. The same ninja lost to Nagato who was only a few years trained with his Rinnegan.

This same Nagato created his 6 paths of pain and managed to kill Jirayia in SM. Jirayia was at his with end with arguably 3 of his weaker paths. Many people argue had Jirayia known Pains secret he would have won. This is far-fetched as he could only beat 3 Pains with genjutsu with the assistance of Ma and Pa and was his last resort at beating Pain. Same token had Pain even knew Jirayia could use genjustu 3 Pains would have been enough to take him out.

In the fight between the Sannins all the parties look pathetic against each other in probably one of the worst fights in the manga between 3 highly known characters. All 3 were handicapped for one reason or another due to their poor judgement or inability to sense. Orochimaru had no hands due to the fact of his battle with the 3rd Hokage. Jirayia let Tsunade poison him with some drug. And the fact that he said he was at 30% is laughable. 30% is pretty high considering he was getting his ass handed to him by a No Sign Weilding Orochimaru. Tsunade was recovering from her trauma but her so called strength run out temporarily and didn't have enough of it to kill a weak Orochimaru.

Orochimaru ended up losing to Itachi and Sasuke. Most people argue he was weak against Sasuke lying in bed. However knowing that his body is getting weak why would he think it would be easy to take over Sasuke? Also if Sasuke overspammed MS and started losing vision who's fault is it that he's weak because of it? Orochimaru was ill because his body-transferring technique only allows him to have certain bodies for a certain period of time before it rejects him. His illness is cause by himself in other to stay immortal. This has yet to be seen in Kabuto as well.

Jirayia fails to master justus before Naruto does. Naruto learned Rasegan and a completed SM way before Jirayia even mastered them. Jirayia even considers himself a failure

There's no denying that they are strong. However, they aren't as powerful as their names give them. They were good in Part 1 because not enough characters were introduced. When you see the whole picture they aren't too powerful and most ninjas can stand their ground with them even if they lose

 

[HokageKid]

they are powerfull but at the level of Tobi, Madara, Zetsu etc

haha they're nowhere near the level of madara

 

[ero sannin]

real talk ur post dosnt mean anything, you clearly aren't a true fan and kno everything that goes on in naruto, people like you get me angry lol no offense im just saying

This thread is basically outling why the Sannin (Orochimaru, Jirayia, and Tsunade), aren't powerful like people think they are.

While are three are considered Kage level or S-Rank ninjas know feat gives them this title. All of them had been considered for Hokage before, however only because of limited ninja strength available. Kakashi was also elected for Hokage and he is no where near Kage level.

Orchimaru attacked the leaf village years after he left. During this time the
3rd Hokage got older and the 4th Hokage sacrificed his life during the Nine Tailed Fox attack. Even by summoning the 1st Hokage and 2nd Hokage and having the Sound Four blocking outsiders into the fight he barely could manage to come out with a win against an old 3rd Hokage who was nowhere near in his prime.

With that being said that was the only time in the manga showing any of the 3 Sannin winning a match. There name, Sannin, was given to them by Hanzo, who was considered one of the strongest ninjas at the time only in spot that they manage to hold their own and not die in 5 seconds to him like common enemies that approached Hanzo. They basically were pitied upon. The same ninja lost to Nagato who was only a few years trained with his Rinnegan.

This same Nagato created his 6 paths of pain and managed to kill Jirayia in SM. Jirayia was at his with end with arguably 3 of his weaker paths. Many people argue had Jirayia known Pains secret he would have won. This is far-fetched as he could only beat 3 Pains with genjutsu with the assistance of Ma and Pa and was his last resort at beating Pain. Same token had Pain even knew Jirayia could use genjustu 3 Pains would have been enough to take him out.

In the fight between the Sannins all the parties look pathetic against each other in probably one of the worst fights in the manga between 3 highly known characters. All 3 were handicapped for one reason or another due to their poor judgement or inability to sense. Orochimaru had no hands due to the fact of his battle with the 3rd Hokage. Jirayia let Tsunade poison him with some drug. And the fact that he said he was at 30% is laughable. 30% is pretty high considering he was getting his ass handed to him by a No Sign Weilding Orochimaru. Tsunade was recovering from her trauma but her so called strength run out temporarily and didn't have enough of it to kill a weak Orochimaru.

Orochimaru ended up losing to Itachi and Sasuke. Most people argue he was weak against Sasuke lying in bed. However knowing that his body is getting weak why would he think it would be easy to take over Sasuke? Also if Sasuke overspammed MS and started losing vision who's fault is it that he's weak because of it? Orochimaru was ill because his body-transferring technique only allows him to have certain bodies for a certain period of time before it rejects him. His illness is cause by himself in other to stay immortal. This has yet to be seen in Kabuto as well.

Jirayia fails to master justus before Naruto does. Naruto learned Rasegan and a completed SM way before Jirayia even mastered them. Jirayia even considers himself a failure

There's no denying that they are strong. However, they aren't as powerful as their names give them. They were good in Part 1 because not enough characters were introduced. When you see the whole picture they aren't too powerful and most ninjas can stand their ground with them even if they lose

i disagree, the picked kakashi cuz he's copied and mastered over 1000 jutsus and has the sharingan making himcapaple og being a kage, also he's smart and quick thinking

 

[Rozzy]

Kakashi was never offered the job as kage he was just nominated by one person