Sannin Really Aren't Powerful

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This thread is basically outling why the Sannin (Orochimaru, Jirayia, and Tsunade), aren't powerful like people think they are.

While are three are considered Kage level or S-Rank ninjas know feat gives them this title. All of them had been considered for Hokage before, however only because of limited ninja strength available. Kakashi was also elected for Hokage and he is no where near Kage level.

Orchimaru attacked the leaf village years after he left. During this time the
3rd Hokage got older and the 4th Hokage sacrificed his life during the Nine Tailed Fox attack. Even by summoning the 1st Hokage and 2nd Hokage and having the Sound Four blocking outsiders into the fight he barely could manage to come out with a win against an old 3rd Hokage who was nowhere near in his prime.

With that being said that was the only time in the manga showing any of the 3 Sannin winning a match. There name, Sannin, was given to them by Hanzo, who was considered one of the strongest ninjas at the time only in spot that they manage to hold their own and not die in 5 seconds to him like common enemies that approached Hanzo. They basically were pitied upon. The same ninja lost to Nagato who was only a few years trained with his Rinnegan.

This same Nagato created his 6 paths of pain and managed to kill Jirayia in SM. Jirayia was at his with end with arguably 3 of his weaker paths. Many people argue had Jirayia known Pains secret he would have won. This is far-fetched as he could only beat 3 Pains with genjutsu with the assistance of Ma and Pa and was his last resort at beating Pain. Same token had Pain even knew Jirayia could use genjustu 3 Pains would have been enough to take him out.

In the fight between the Sannins all the parties look pathetic against each other in probably one of the worst fights in the manga between 3 highly known characters. All 3 were handicapped for one reason or another due to their poor judgement or inability to sense. Orochimaru had no hands due to the fact of his battle with the 3rd Hokage. Jirayia let Tsunade poison him with some drug. And the fact that he said he was at 30% is laughable. 30% is pretty high considering he was getting his ass handed to him by a No Sign Weilding Orochimaru. Tsunade was recovering from her trauma but her so called strength run out temporarily and didn't have enough of it to kill a weak Orochimaru.

Orochimaru ended up losing to Itachi and Sasuke. Most people argue he was weak against Sasuke lying in bed. However knowing that his body is getting weak why would he think it would be easy to take over Sasuke? Also if Sasuke overspammed MS and started losing vision who's fault is it that he's weak because of it? Orochimaru was ill because his body-transferring technique only allows him to have certain bodies for a certain period of time before it rejects him. His illness is cause by himself in other to stay immortal. This has yet to be seen in Kabuto as well.

Jirayia fails to master justus before Naruto does. Naruto learned Rasegan and a completed SM way before Jirayia even mastered them. Jirayia even considers himself a failure

There's no denying that they are strong. However, they aren't as powerful as their names give them. They were good in Part 1 because not enough characters were introduced. When you see the whole picture they aren't too powerful and most ninjas can stand their ground with them even if they lose

So many flaws I cannot be bothered highlighting them!

 

[MangaPrincessOfPunk]

I think you have some good points, but the Sannin are still strong. Remember how powerful the 6 Paths actually were - only Naruto could beat them. And that was around the time where Naruto became the boring hero who always saves everybody. So I really don't think that makes Jiraya weak. And Tsunade is showing more and more of her strength in the war - she seems like a pretty good leader thus far.

The only one I might agree with is Orochimaru, since I always found him overrated. And nasty...!

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[Raikage23]

Yooooooo ur narubass vid on youtube is the most awesome, amazing and epic thing ive ever seen! u must do more!

 

[chaotykxninja]

He was offer the job because of less availability. Not because he is Kage level. Someone had the be Hokage. Same with Jirayia and Tsunade. Otherwise they would have never been offered. Kakashi doesn't have the skill levels of any Kage

wtf,..... none of u know anything about kakashi!!!!!so stfu.

he is stronger than the three legendary sannin.

and the big three were legendary sannin rank not just sannin rank it's the highest honor before satoosa rank (hokage)

and kakashi was hand picked as a child to be part of minato's team. he's been uber amazing since he was a child, he can beat any of the kage except fer minato himself. he's at satoosa level along wid all the other legendary Shinobi...come on guyz i'm no fanboy but kakashi is like the mew of naruto-verse. so don't talk him down.

 

[DeViliShChild]

wtf,..... none of u know anything about kakashi!!!!!so stfu.

he is stronger than the three legendary sannin.

and the big three were legendary sannin rank not just sannin rank it's the highest honor before satoosa rank (hokage)

and kakashi was hand picked as a child to be part of minato's team. he's been uber amazing since he was a child, he can beat any of the kage except fer minato himself. he's at satoosa level along wid all the other legendary Shinobi...come on guyz i'm no fanboy but kakashi is like the mew of naruto-verse. so don't talk him down.

Sorry but every Hokage (except tsunade imo) could beat Kakashi with ease. Even Danzo. As for any of the current/old kages, once again he would get smashed. Sorry Senor fanboy

 

[JeremyPye47]

Kakashi was never offered the job as kage he was just nominated by one person

ummmm actually he was about to become kage then Tsunade woke up.

 

[DeViliShChild]

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Pain says he might not have won if he had know his secret and stfu:flaw:

 

[DivineIllusion]

He was offer the job because of less availability. Not because he is Kage level. Someone had the be Hokage. Same with Jirayia and Tsunade. Otherwise they would have never been offered. Kakashi doesn't have the skill levels of any Kage

First part, yes he was just the next choice, but two times.
And what is a Kagelevel? Its just your opinion, that he is no kagelevelninja
But hes clever, good Ninjutsu (many ninjutsu) good Taijutsu, ok, a little Genjutsu, his MS tech Kamui, a lot of expirience.
I think that is enough, to consider somebody on a strong level. If you call it Kagelevel or not, thats your own thing.
And Jiraya is a beast, also Tsunade, even if her abilties are not pure battlestrenght. Support is also imprtant.
And Oro... come on he fought 4 tailed Naruto and survived a tiled beastbomb


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[DivineIllusion]

First part, yes he was just the next choice, but two times.
And what is a Kagelevel? Its just your opinion, that he is no kagelevelninja
But hes clever, good Ninjutsu (many ninjutsu) good Taijutsu, ok, a little Genjutsu, his MS tech Kamui, a lot of expirience.
I think that is enough, to consider somebody on a strong level. If you call it Kagelevel or not, thats your own thing.
And Jiraya is a beast, also Tsunade, even if her abilties are not pure battlestrenght. Support is also imprtant.
And Oro... come on he fought 4 tailed Naruto and survived a tiled beastbomb


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Remeber, kyuubi tailed beastmode was the thing that makes Naruto good of battle area

(crunch a forest by one attack, survive a million ton heavy rock on his body, blasts pure chakrashots, moves nearly lightspeed, incredible strong resists allmighty push, survives Chibaku Tensei, make his as long and big as he want, has the perfect armour, so far we know)

 

[DivineIllusion]

Sorry but every Hokage (except tsunade imo) could beat Kakashi with ease. Even Danzo. As for any of the current/old kages, once again he would get smashed. Sorry Senor fanboy

Sure? the second hadnt shown any special power, Kakashi did and kakashi would defeat that guy Tobirama, until we now more about him.

 

[NaruGokuPWNS]

Yes he is. He is near the lower-tier of Kage level, but he is still there.

He's lost only one fight and that was a self-sacrifice in order to save a comrade.

^Agreed. Kakashi is NEAR LOW-TIER Kage lvl, but to be honest he's really just high jounin lvl. (and a mid-high tier jounins power is just....FAR BEYOND IMAGINING.....words cannot describeO.OO.O).
p.s. so imagine even higher ranked ninjas.O.O

 

[Venom925]

doesnt mean they arent strong other people can be stronger whoever said the word sannin meant strongest in the world it means that they are actually strong. oro was powerful just a stupid petofile idiot. tsunade's ability to heal is very underated and she has that mean super strength at her age (yeah she's really old guys) and J-MAN IS J-MAN and NEVER DISS J-MAN AGAIN :'( JIRIYAH FOREVER :'( R.I.P pervy sage

 

[lansal]

How can u say they are weak? U saw orochimaru fight kyuubi? Even most of the justus performed in dis current shinobi era is a master piece of orochimaru.his only weakness as far as d manga is concerned is the sharingan. How dare u say tsunadde is weak? Pls tell me, is there any ninja dat can save everybody in a village from dying d way tsunade did? You say jiraiya is weak yet he trained the three most gifted shinobis ( nagato, naruto άήƌ minato ). Pls rethink...

 

[spatha]

He was offer the job because of less availability. Not because he is Kage level. Someone had the be Hokage. Same with Jirayia and Tsunade. Otherwise they would have never been offered. Kakashi doesn't have the skill levels of any Kage

but your argument isnt very sound here, with that argument, we could say none of the kages were offered the job because they were truly the most powerful, they were offered the job because the villages couldnt find someone better (a.k.a. kishi didnt invent a supersayin ninja yet). The sannin and even kakashi were offered kage because at the time, they were believed to be the strongest ninja of the village while at the same time have good leadership qualities. Sure if they wanted brute power they would offer it to naruto at this point, but he would make a crappy leader. You have to take into account that they will offer the job to a slightly weaker ninja who can lead than a powerhouse fool. Also the sannin title was more of a group endowment than anything because, honestly the 3 of them together could take out most anybody, maybe even a few tailed beasts.

 

[opticsnm]

the title sanin is given to strong shinobi snm

 

[esemes]

But to be honest Tsunade and Jiraya are Kage level just after transformation and Oroshimarou has just a lot of forbidden techniques up his sleeve.

Jman needed the frogs to kick Pains ass.
Tsunade need just to see blood and its over.
Oro didnt even fight the 3rd Hokage on his own.

I also believe theyre just worht their titles "SANIN" when they work together.
However theyre strong but never as a Kage. If you compare them with Raikage or Mizukage (even Gaara is another level) theyre above them.
Raikage, Mizukage and Kazekage have awesome offense and defense always active.

 

[grenwood]

They are all Kage level ninja; Hell, two of them were even offered the job!

actaully all three were, jaraiya just turned it down to continue his journey

 

[DeViliShChild]

the title sanin is given to strong shinobi snm

It is given to ONLY them. Nothing else. It was given to them by Hanzo because how they fought against him

 

[YellowFlashSage]

I never said he was weak. where are you getting that from? and im only looking at battle strength. you make a nice point about the teacher-student thing but my thread is about being a good teacher or shinobi. i was just talking about battle strength. and the leaf village exclaimed Jirayia was strong most of the time. it was hardly expressed by any outsiders. but again he's strong. i just dont consider him powerful

Saying someone is not powerful in this series is basically saying they are weak. Like someone said earlier, every ninja has their weak points. And the pein getting beat by Konohamaru, well that is because Naruto is his teacher. He did the same thing Naruto did to the Strongest Pein. He fooled him with a shadow clone, then got him from his weak point. Not even a Jounin could do that as we saw right before this took place, and by that i mean beat him. The Sannins are powerful, the reason why they got the name. Pein beat Hanzou, and the three of them in their young age, stood toe to toe with him. If we compare everyone to Pein, then yes most ninja will not be powerful.

We have never seen J-man at full power in a battle. He was 30% in the Sannin fight, and he was still able to summon a swamp and cheif toad. I mean Minato has never been seen fighting besides with A and B and the 9 tailed fox. Most of us know his power from what people have said. Just like what everyone says about J-man. I honestly could care less about him, I really don't have a favorite character. I like Minato but i am more reading the manga for the story. The only members of Akatsuki that could beat J-man would be Pein and Tobi. Itachi would be a good fight, and i couldn't say who would win.

I just like evidence to prove someones opinion, and so far no one has proved they are weak. I give facts for everything I state, and if someones wants to prove their point, the same needs to be given. I don't mind your opinion, but no facts have been given that they are not powerful.

 

[YellowFlashSage]

But to be honest Tsunade and Jiraya are Kage level just after transformation and Oroshimarou has just a lot of forbidden techniques up his sleeve.

Jman needed the frogs to kick Pains ass.
Tsunade need just to see blood and its over.
Oro didnt even fight the 3rd Hokage on his own.

I also believe theyre just worht their titles "SANIN" when they work together.
However theyre strong but never as a Kage. If you compare them with Raikage or Mizukage (even Gaara is another level) theyre above them.
Raikage, Mizukage and Kazekage have awesome offense and defense always active.

-J-man got the frogs to use sage mode because he did not have time to gather the nature chakra, and I believe their were 3 peins at first against him, yeah fair fight i would say.

-Tsunade is over that now, and she is what i wold call the weakest in the group in terms of fighting power i.e. justu, but she is one of the best at taijustu in the group.

-3rd hokage was one of the strongest, and known to know almost just as many justu at Oro did.

And you do understand you are comparing them to 2 of the best kage/ninja at this point in time right. One is almost as fast as Minato, and the other has 2 kekki genkai. Gaara is strong, but i believe even J-man could beat him with a good fight