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I knew you would begin to tolerate me if i just stuck around long enough! :T_T:
I disagree with this. As long as the threads are created in the correct section(s), I see no reason to ban a specific topic from being discussed.
 

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I agree although, the thread making ban seems to be way over-powered. 3 mnotyh ban from making threads?
A month from making threads is harsh.

without warning before
I took these into consideration and altered the severity. Of course, these are just rough suggestions and I'm sure if this idea is implemented, it will definitely see changes to the severity of the punishments. I'm also sure most will be on a case by case basis.

I knew you would begin to tolerate me if i just stuck around long enough! :T_T:
I disagree with this. As long as the threads are created in the correct section(s), I see no reason to ban a specific topic from being discussed.
I would disagree too, if the issue weren't so out of hand. It's not the threads themselves, but the mass duplication of the threads. NB doesn't need 300+ threads discussing Tobi's identity. NB doesn't need 300+ threads pointing out whom was right and who was wrong about the sixth coffin.
 
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A month from making threads is harsh.

without warning before
You get two warnings.
The month ban from creating threads is only after the third offense.


First Offense:
Warning
One day revocation of thread creation rights.

Second Offense:
Infraction
One day ban
One week revocation of thread creation rights.

Third Offense:
Infraction
One week ban
One month revocation of thread creation rights.


The problem is really its a new person every time, and new people are joining the forum every day, so it still wouldn't be very efficient. There is really no cure for stupidity.


I knew you would begin to tolerate me if i just stuck around long enough! :T_T:
I disagree with this. As long as the threads are created in the correct section(s), I see no reason to ban a specific topic from being discussed.
Telling people to suck it and creating threads saying "I told you so", there isn't really any section on this forum that is fit for that kind of discussion, since it isn't really a discussion. It's just someone rubbing something in another persons face, it's more like "flaming". Only place for that kind of stuff is: Trash Section. Too bad members can't see that section, much less create threads there.

And as for the Tobi threads and Madara threads, there are already plenty of threads where people can discuss those topics, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but there is no reason for each and every one to create a separate thread for their own opinion, when they can just post it in the chapter prediction/discussion thread, or in one of the other 400 threads(yes, there were really 400 threads about tobi, madara and people generally telling other people "I told you so") that were created in the last 24 hours.

Now, creating duplicate threads are against the rules, and there were actually 400 threads and 400 different people creating them. But giving 1 infraction to 400 people, resulting in nobody getting banned and having a new person create a new thread every time, and then giving them one infraction, not very efficient, or very satisfying.

They are actually still creating them... I keep rechecking the sections, only to find 10 new threads I need to merge.
 
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You get two warnings.
The month ban from creating threads is only after the third offense.


First Offense:
Warning
One day revocation of thread creation rights.

Second Offense:
Infraction
One day ban
One week revocation of thread creation rights.

Third Offense:
Infraction
One week ban
One month revocation of thread creation rights.


The problem is really its a new person every time, and new people are joining the forum every day, so it still wouldn't be very efficient. There is really no cure for stupidity.
Oh right.
 

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Hum...I see Mugi and Kushan and Cali (who mostly moderate the manga discussion section of the forum) with the same work every week: babysitting. I know its annoying and i can only imagine how frustrating it can be.

However, Naruto is a Manga for kids also, not only teens. Most kids don't understand the simple concept of "rule" and are so excited to post and share their opinion that they post duplicate threads.

As annoying as can be (and i agree with it being annoying) i really think the solution isn't banning people for duplicate threads. Banning should be reserved for ultimate offenses like sexual slurs or publicizing or posting offensive materials, etc.

More mods for those sections would be essential and that would definitely help. Yesterday there were 5500 members online upon manga release. And mostly were concentrated in that section. 3 mods isn't enough for 5500 kids. However i also understand that the profile for becoming a mod is not something that can be found in just any person and to find someone able to be a good mod is hard work and its very difficult.

One thing that could be done was an automated PM upon membership. That PM would be undeleatable and people would need to read it and accept it before being allowed by the site to post. In that PM all the rules should be stated and the overall organization of the site.

Something needs to be done and i believe that multiple thread making from the same member regarding already discussed matters should be dealt with with infractions and other punishments. But i'm also a firm believer that people should be instructed and teached before we can actually punish them for a given offense. I know people have to read the rules and its their responsibility to do so, but lets be real here, making a 10 year old read rules isn't something easy to do.

So in essence i agree but also in a sense i disagree. It think Zombie has a point here and he's stating a valid opinion: something has to be done. However i think the mods and admins should haste themselves with a hot head from the holocaust of the last 24 hours in the Manga Section. A solution is needed but zero tolerance may be overdoing it...

Sorry for the wall of text ^^
 

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Hum...I see Mugi and Kushan and Cali (who mostly moderate the manga discussion section of the forum) with the same work every week: babysitting. I know its annoying and i can only imagine how frustrating it can be.

However, Naruto is a Manga for kids also, not only teens. Most kids don't understand the simple concept of "rule" and are so excited to post and share their opinion that they post duplicate threads.

As annoying as can be (and i agree with it being annoying) i really think the solution isn't banning people for duplicate threads. Banning should be reserved for ultimate offenses like sexual slurs or publicizing or posting offensive materials, etc.

More mods for those sections would be essential and that would definitely help. Yesterday there were 5500 members online upon manga release. And mostly were concentrated in that section. 3 mods isn't enough for 5500 kids. However i also understand that the profile for becoming a mod is not something that can be found in just any person and to find someone able to be a good mod is hard work and its very difficult.

One thing that could be done was an automated PM upon membership. That PM would be undeleatable and people would need to read it and accept it before being allowed by the site to post. In that PM all the rules should be stated and the overall organization of the site.

Something needs to be done and i believe that multiple thread making from the same member regarding already discussed matters should be dealt with with infractions and other punishments. But i'm also a firm believer that people should be instructed and teached before we can actually punish them for a given offense. I know people have to read the rules and its their responsibility to do so, but lets be real here, making a 10 year old read rules isn't something easy to do.

So in essence i agree but also in a sense i disagree. It think Zombie has a point here and he's stating a valid opinion: something has to be done. However i think the mods and admins should haste themselves with a hot head from the holocaust of the last 24 hours in the Manga Section. A solution is needed but zero tolerance may be overdoing it...

Sorry for the wall of text ^^
There were around 5000 users only, mostly guests, and around 600-700 members.

Whenever I infract a person for breaking the rules, 90% of the time the response I get is: "oh, I didn't know", the 10% other time, it's them insulting me(which usually ends with them getting banned).

It's better to implement a vBulletin addon that has a window pop up when you are trying to post in a section(post or create a thread), with the rules for that section, they have to wait for like 20 seconds before they can click continue.
This way, we have put the rules right in front of their faces, so if they don't follow them, we can just do a much more strict punishment.


We already have it so that people receive a PM, but most just ignore it.


Really want to make the best out of the situation and say that the 300th person to create a thread about "tobi"/"man in the mask", hits the jackpot, and the jackpot is a permaban. That would really make all the cleaning somewhat worth it. (right now there are around 250 threads).
 
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I guess it's time for my two cents. While I agree with the reasoning behind this idea, I can't support it. Yes, its a pain for the mods to delete all the duplicate & argument fail threads, but I think this may be going a little too far. If we start warning/banning members because of duplicate threads, I have a feeling we are going to get many more "Dragon Lords" on our hands, and the Baw from all those children making the threads will be unbelieveable.

I understand this is a frustrating time, but the manga just had a major unveiling which people have been speculting for months. What did you think would happen? The duplicate threads are not normally that abundant, so I think this is just one of those things that we'll just have to deal with every now and then.

I know this post wont make me the most popular person, but thats how I feel about it. I'm sure some of the other mods may feel that since I'm just an RP mod I dont have to deal with it, however, if they give me the permissions I would love to help them out.
That! well said
 

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You get two warnings.
The month ban from creating threads is only after the third offense.


First Offense:
Warning
One day revocation of thread creation rights.

Second Offense:
Infraction
One day ban
One week revocation of thread creation rights.

Third Offense:
Infraction
One week ban
One month revocation of thread creation rights.


The problem is really its a new person every time, and new people are joining the forum every day, so it still wouldn't be very efficient. There is really no cure for stupidity.




Telling people to suck it and creating threads saying "I told you so", there isn't really any section on this forum that is fit for that kind of discussion, since it isn't really a discussion. It's just someone rubbing something in another persons face, it's more like "flaming". Only place for that kind of stuff is: Trash Section. Too bad members can't see that section, much less create threads there.

And as for the Tobi threads and Madara threads, there are already plenty of threads where people can discuss those topics, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but there is no reason for each and every one to create a separate thread for their own opinion, when they can just post it in the chapter prediction/discussion thread, or in one of the other 400 threads(yes, there were really 400 threads about tobi, madara and people generally telling other people "I told you so") that were created in the last 24 hours.

Now, creating duplicate threads are against the rules, and there were actually 400 threads and 400 different people creating them. But giving 1 infraction to 400 people, resulting in nobody getting banned and having a new person create a new thread every time, and then giving them one infraction, not very efficient, or very satisfying.

They are actually still creating them... I keep rechecking the sections, only to find 10 new threads I need to merge.

There were around 5000 users only, mostly guests, and around 600-700 members.

Whenever I infract a person for breaking the rules, 90% of the time the response I get is: "oh, I didn't know", the 10% other time, it's them insulting me(which usually ends with them getting banned).

It's better to implement a vBulletin addon that has a window pop up when you are trying to post in a section(post or create a thread), with the rules for that section, they have to wait for like 20 seconds before they can click continue.
This way, we have put the rules right in front of their faces, so if they don't follow them, we can just do a much more strict punishment.


We already have it so that people receive a PM, but most just ignore it.


Really want to make the best out of the situation and say that the 300th person to create a thread about "tobi"/"man in the mask", hits the jackpot, and the jackpot is a permaban. That would really make all the cleaning somewhat worth it. (right now there are around 250 threads).
It has definately become an infuriating problem in the last 24 hours just to find a decent thread that doesn't involve the threads mentioned above since the 6th coffin was revealed. I can't even imagine the headaches you and the other mods are having to deal with.
So, as a simple remedy to this issue would maybe entail only allowing newer members under 3 months and less than 200 posts to not be allowed to start threads in certain sections but they still would be able to post in "unallowable thread starting" threads. For instance, a new member could obviously start a thread in the Konnichi wa! and Questions & Suggestions and other threads like these until they raise their post count and learn a little bit about the forum rules and how to use the search button. This was just a thought since the mass majority of the forementioned threads are being created by very new members who will say "Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know." It might create less work for you guys in the long run. Either way, just a thought. Thanks for your guys hard work and keeping NB running smoothly. And just remember, I will guarantee the exact same thing WILL happen again as soon as Tobi's identity is known. :D
 
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Scary Yamato. i tottally agree with you. Zombie. i kinda agree, and dont agree. saying "I told you so" isnt really much childish. its just the fact people on here been making "Theorys" since the 6th coffin. now that its been revealed people got a little too excited. from all the time i been on here on NB thats the 1st time i seen a outburst like that. all you saw yesterday was Madara threads im not gonna lie i made about 4 of them myself. xd not about the same thing. and not saying i told you so but they were based around Uchihas/Madara. the reason alot of people come on this website is to talk amongst people who have similare interest. maybe they dont like the "Madara Thread" thats already made so decided to word it diffrently. banning them for making repeditive threads is uncalled for. the mangas are free, and so is this website. long as none of the Admins,and Mods, and overall BIG V dont have a problem with it. then we should just let it be. if you see now. Not as many Madara threads are being made. so yea. thats my 3cents. xd (sorry if i mispelled anything also. i have to rush)

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It has definately become an infuriating problem in the last 24 hours just to find a decent thread that doesn't involve the threads mentioned above since the 6th coffin was revealed. I can't even imagine the headaches you and the other mods are having to deal with.
So, as a simple remedy to this issue would maybe entail only allowing newer members under 3 months and less than 200 posts to not be allowed to start threads in certain sections but they still would be able to post in "unallowable thread starting" threads. For instance, a new member could obviously start a thread in the Konnichi wa! and Questions & Suggestions and other threads like these until they raise their post count and learn a little bit about the forum rules and how to use the search button. This was just a thought since the mass majority of the forementioned threads are being created by very new members who will say "Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know." It might create less work for you guys in the long run. Either way, just a thought. Thanks for your guys hard work and keeping NB running smoothly. And just remember, I will guarantee the exact same thing WILL happen again as soon as Tobi's identity is known. :D
thats kind of messed up. when you was new on narutobase. im sure you looked forward to making threads. and im sure you made several threads that was already created. thats what newbies do. no need to infract them for it. unless its constant
 
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Scary Yamato. i tottally agree with you. Zombie. i kinda agree, and dont agree. saying "I told you so" isnt really much childish. its just the fact people on here been making "Theorys" since the 6th coffin. now that its been revealed people got a little too excited. from all the time i been on here on NB thats the 1st time i seen a outburst like that. all you saw yesterday was Madara threads im not gonna lie i made about 4 of them myself. xd not about the same thing. and not saying i told you so but they were based around Uchihas/Madara. the reason alot of people come on this website is to talk amongst people who have similare interest. maybe they dont like the "Madara Thread" thats already made so decided to word it diffrently. banning them for making repeditive threads is uncalled for. the mangas are free, and so is this website. long as none of the Admins,and Mods, and overall BIG V dont have a problem with it. then we should just let it be. if you see now. Not as many Madara threads are being made. so yea. thats my 3cents. xd (sorry if i mispelled anything also. i have to rush)
This website is free? I'm not sure if you're aware of this or not, but hostinga website that consumes as much bandwidth and this much traffic is definitely not free. I'd imagine it probably costs over a thousand a month.

I'm sure the advertisements for guests weren't covering server costs, which would explain why Versuvio has implemented donations.

thats kind of messed up. when you was new on narutobase. im sure you looked forward to making threads. and im sure you made several threads that was already created. thats what newbies do. no need to infract them for it. unless its constant
Of all the threads to double post in, you chose this one?
 

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It has definately become an infuriating problem in the last 24 hours just to find a decent thread that doesn't involve the threads mentioned above since the 6th coffin was revealed. I can't even imagine the headaches you and the other mods are having to deal with.
So, as a simple remedy to this issue would maybe entail only allowing newer members under 3 months and less than 200 posts to not be allowed to start threads in certain sections but they still would be able to post in "unallowable thread starting" threads. For instance, a new member could obviously start a thread in the Konnichi wa! and Questions & Suggestions and other threads like these until they raise their post count and learn a little bit about the forum rules and how to use the search button. This was just a thought since the mass majority of the forementioned threads are being created by very new members who will say "Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know." It might create less work for you guys in the long run. Either way, just a thought. Thanks for your guys hard work and keeping NB running smoothly. And just remember, I will guarantee the exact same thing WILL happen again as soon as Tobi's identity is known. :D
That is unfair to the people who join to actually discuss something other than them being right about a prediction they made. By limiting new members like that you will lose many prospective members, because it wouldn't be worth the hassle from them just to be able to create a thread about a really good idea they had. We shouldn't take away the rights of the new legitimate members just because every now and then people take a ride on thier Failboats. Your suggestion also imposes problem in the Roleplay section because you only need 50 posts to create a bio, and to create a bio you need to make a thread.


I gaurantee that you are right about that.
 

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That is unfair to the people who join to actually discuss something other than them being right about a prediction they made. By limiting new members like that you will lose many prospective members, because it wouldn't be worth the hassle from them just to be able to create a thread about a really good idea they had. We shouldn't take away the rights of the new legitimate members just because every now and then people take a ride on thier Failboats. Your suggestion also imposes problem in the Roleplay section because you only need 50 posts to create a bio, and to create a bio you need to make a thread.


I gaurantee that you are right about that.
Which is why I recommend a warning first for new members. Accompanied by a notice that they should become acquainted with the rules.

Then again. I'm a special case, I managed to land my first post in the Konnichiwa section after reading the global rules. Of course, countless others have succeeded in doing that as well.
 

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thats kind of messed up. when you was new on narutobase. im sure you looked forward to making threads. and im sure you made several threads that was already created. thats what newbies do. no need to infract them for it. unless its constant
Not really. Again, it's a free website that has rules. This will prevent the new members from getting infractions like most "newbies" and it will most certainly create less work for the mods who have to clean the "newbies" mess up. Yes, you are right I did look forward to making threads but I got a multiple posts infraction, was told to use the search button more than a couple of times and started threads in the wrong section. All of these things wouldn't have happened if I had been given more time to learn the site rules before getting free reign to post a thread anywhere I please. It's just a thought and too, you just joined in August and you have twice the post count as I do and I've been a member for almost a year now. It probably didn't take you 3 months to pass 200 posts right? I'm just throwing out ideas hopefully able to spark a true well working answer to the current madness.
 
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When i say free website. i mean for US
not the creators of it.

and if this website was so perfect . without people doing anything wrong
what would we need the Mods and Admins for? im sure they like giving an Infraction or 2 a week. xd. (Might not admit it) but thats what we aim for. to make this site discussiable and fan at the same time (Excuse my spelling once again)
 
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That is unfair to the people who join to actually discuss something other than them being right about a prediction they made. By limiting new members like that you will lose many prospective members, because it wouldn't be worth the hassle from them just to be able to create a thread about a really good idea they had. We shouldn't take away the rights of the new legitimate members just because every now and then people take a ride on thier Failboats. Your suggestion also imposes problem in the Roleplay section because you only need 50 posts to create a bio, and to create a bio you need to make a thread.


I gaurantee that you are right about that.
That was why I said that they could post on any thread just not add another thread to an already huge pile of very similar threads. Yeah, you're totally right about the RPer's. I hadn't thought about the 50 posts/open to Bio's stuff. That's you're a mod and I'm not. I'm just trying to throw out any ideas I can to help you guys have less work as well as make it simpler for regular members to find unspammed threads as well make it simpler for "newbies" not make the same mistakes as I did.
 
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