It's official than 1st>4th
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no m not even the third can go up against a full powered Kyuubi... for a second just sit back and realize how op the 1st hokage had to be to defeat Full powered nine tailed fox(bijuu bombs, tornadoes all that stuff) and a insanely haxed ems Uchiha....... pain coulndt even defeat 8 tails naruto , 1st was in a league of his own
for all u that think 1st is so strong..state why
ok he has a KG wood release..but how does that make him stronger than minato?
ok his wood release is capable of suppressing the tailed beasts..but how would that be a factor 1v1 since mintao is not a tailed beast
ok he 'defeated' ems madara but
1. what was ems madara's powers when hashi n madara fought at the valley? he knew nagato so he must have gotten stronger since then
2.they were both rivals meaning one the same level and than finally madara just lost? NO!..madara lost on purpose
3.from the minato vs tobi fight..minato didn have to try veri hard n tobi hit the bolt so that fight says very little
yes hashi WAS strongest of his generation, but not as strong as minato, since the next generation surpasses the previous.
4th>3rd>1st>2nd ..(2nd n 1st were from same generation)
if u bring in tsunade into the equation yes she was from a previous generation
ok he has a KG wood release..but how does that make him stronger than minato?
ok his wood release is capable of suppressing the tailed beasts..but how would that be a factor 1v1 since mintao is not a tailed beast
ok he 'defeated' ems madara but
1. what was ems madara's powers when hashi n madara fought at the valley? he knew nagato so he must have gotten stronger since then
2.they were both rivals meaning one the same level and than finally madara just lost? NO!..madara lost on purpose
3.from the minato vs tobi fight..minato didn have to try veri hard n tobi hit the bolt so that fight says very little
yes hashi WAS strongest of his generation, but not as strong as minato, since the next generation surpasses the previous.
4th>3rd>1st>2nd ..(2nd n 1st were from same generation)
if u bring in tsunade into the equation yes she was from a previous generation
blazekev90
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I doubt he had to really brawl with the Kyuubi, but he def had to defend him off along with Madara for some time, which it's an easy task for no shinobi!
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Where this idiot come from!? Lol plz take u and ur logic somewhere else.The biggest crap I've ever read FAIL :flaw:
i can do same trick shodaime fought kakuzu but couln't kill him so
kakuzu=shodaime < minato ...
you're pathetic
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lol XD
Also, i think you right Blazekev. If fighting and beating Madara with the Kyuubi in prime wasnt a feat, then why is everybody afraid of him now? Minato can NOT beat prime Madara with kyuubi.
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So what you're basically saying is because the 4th fought a "fake"
Madara and defeated him, he's weaker than the real Madara who was defeated by the 1st therefore 1st Hokage<Minato.
Retarded logic at its best. You do realize he can only beat whats put infront of him right?
Madara and defeated him, he's weaker than the real Madara who was defeated by the 1st therefore 1st Hokage<Minato.
Retarded logic at its best. You do realize he can only beat whats put infront of him right?
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ehh the argument could go both ways.
people bring up the 2008 kishi interview saying the Minato was the strongest dead character. (though it could be argued that he did not want to give away that the real madara was actually dead and people debate the exact authenticity of the interview itself )
people also bring up that the 1st defeated the madara while he had the kyuubi in possesion ( though it could be argued that minato could used a contract seal and teleport the kyuubi and Tobi isn't all that weak to begin with and the 1st would have trouble with Tobi due to teleport tech and abilities to become intangiable and we still don't know what madara's powers are exactly since we don't know who/what tobi is. and assumed to think that madara and tobi have the same ability since tobi claims to be madara)
for me I going to wait for two things before answer this: 1. Who the hell tobi is and 2. Edo Madara's fight
but if I had to make a prediction of the outcome of this fight it would be The 4th would come out victorious since in Naruto and newer generations always end up being stronger and surpassing their predecessors or senseis time and time again. Examples: Gaara beating his father, Orochimaru killing the sandaime, sandaime defeating 1st and 2nd (though kabuto stated edo forms only as good as their summoner), Pein killing jiraiya, itachi losing to sasuke( though he was sick). its happens to show growth and without character growth the story would go dull.
people bring up the 2008 kishi interview saying the Minato was the strongest dead character. (though it could be argued that he did not want to give away that the real madara was actually dead and people debate the exact authenticity of the interview itself )
people also bring up that the 1st defeated the madara while he had the kyuubi in possesion ( though it could be argued that minato could used a contract seal and teleport the kyuubi and Tobi isn't all that weak to begin with and the 1st would have trouble with Tobi due to teleport tech and abilities to become intangiable and we still don't know what madara's powers are exactly since we don't know who/what tobi is. and assumed to think that madara and tobi have the same ability since tobi claims to be madara)
for me I going to wait for two things before answer this: 1. Who the hell tobi is and 2. Edo Madara's fight
but if I had to make a prediction of the outcome of this fight it would be The 4th would come out victorious since in Naruto and newer generations always end up being stronger and surpassing their predecessors or senseis time and time again. Examples: Gaara beating his father, Orochimaru killing the sandaime, sandaime defeating 1st and 2nd (though kabuto stated edo forms only as good as their summoner), Pein killing jiraiya, itachi losing to sasuke( though he was sick). its happens to show growth and without character growth the story would go dull.
so mr genius
ok he has a KG wood release..but how does that make him stronger than minato?
ok his wood release is capable of suppressing the tailed beasts..but how would that be a factor 1v1 since mintao is not a tailed beast
ok his trees make exceptional traps, but how effective is that against someone who uses ftg
bringer of darkness doesn't work too well against high-rank ninjas b'cuz it only disables the sight...like kakashi used scent against zabuza
...thats probabli how he 'defeated' madara though since the uchiha's aren't that great without their sharingan(sight)
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blazekev90
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Exactly, at least u get it.lol XD
Also, i think you right Blazekev. If fighting and beating Madara with the Kyuubi in prime wasnt a feat, then why is everybody afraid of him now? Minato can NOT beat prime Madara with kyuubi.
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Look i believe Hashirama is the strongest hokage, but people need to stop comparing his fight with madara to fights other hokages had. The fact is Hashirama was perfectly suited to fight Madara and the kyuubi because of his ability to control bijuus. Without that ability Hashirama probably doesn't win that fight against Madara.