[Discussion] A's raw speed & Minato's raw speed

[Itachi Namikaze]

I think the last manga should put an end to this, Minato teleposts is not pure speed.

He has both. Please stop hating on Minato for no reason. You have to have an insane amount of speed to use FTG correctly. And whether or not he is physically as fast as A without FTG doesn't matter, he has better reflexes than any of them and that you can't even try to deny.

Minato = speed & teleportation
A = speed

 

[ackeem1992]

wow this thread lived longer than i expected

 

[blazekev90]

He has both. Please stop hating on Minato for no reason. You have to have an insane amount of speed to use FTG correctly. And whether or not he is physically as fast as A without FTG doesn't matter, he has better reflexes than any of them and that you can't even try to deny.

Minato = speed & teleportation
A = speed

And can u plz stop defending him! I have no reason to hate on him and I don't, but I say there is a difference and that's that #period. Sure Minato is fast, ok we all get that but was talking about his teleporting and idc if it involves speed or not, it's still different to Raikage's speed IMO. It's like saying nightcrawler is faster than flash in a sense, except Minato is fast himself but I haven't seen him not use fgt. There is no debate needed I'm saying how I feel and if your too stubborn to understand that shyt that's on u.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

And can u plz stop defending him! I have no reason to hate on him and I don't, but I say there is a difference and that's that #period. Sure Minato is fast, ok we all get that but was talking about his teleporting and idc if it involves speed or not, it's still different to Raikage's speed IMO. It's like saying nightcrawler is faster than flash in a sense, except Minato is fast himself but I haven't seen him not use fgt. There is no debate needed I'm saying how I feel and if your too stubborn to understand that shyt that's on u.

Well we have seen him not use FTG several times, remember when he first ran into Madara and Madara was about to stab baby Naruto? Minato physically ran and snatched Naruto away from Madara, that is pretty fast. Also in the kakashi gaiden Minato sprinted up and saved Kakashi the first time Kakashi used chidori, and if you look Kakashi was going really fast, you have to for chidori, and Minato hadn't moved but right as Kakashi was about to get slashed Minato sprinted and saved him.

I'm not sure if there are more but there you go. You can have opinions but you can't just disregard facts and events in the manga.

 

[ReLax -]

Well we have seen him not use FTG several times, remember when he first ran into Madara and Madara was about to stab baby Naruto? Minato physically ran and snatched Naruto away from Madara, that is pretty fast. Also in the kakashi gaiden Minato sprinted up and saved Kakashi the first time Kakashi used chidori, and if you look Kakashi was going really fast, you have to for chidori, and Minato hadn't moved but right as Kakashi was about to get slashed Minato sprinted and saved him.

I'm not sure if there are more but there you go. You can have opinions but you can't just disregard facts and events in the manga.

Was just about to say that. We seen Minato speed a few times without FTG. The ppl who support Raikage being faster than Minato are a joke right now I mean Raikage clearly stated himself Minato is faster and than latest chapter he once again even using FTG showed his speed and out smarted Raikage and Bee was the only smart one which is why Minato gave him props and Raikage once again was shocked that in a instant Minato marked Bee (showing speed and reflex by Minato without FTG at that moment...well at least I think he didn't use it dodging Bee's attack).

 

[blazekev90]

Well we have seen him not use FTG several times, remember when he first ran into Madara and Madara was about to stab baby Naruto? Minato physically ran and snatched Naruto away from Madara, that is pretty fast. Also in the kakashi gaiden Minato sprinted up and saved Kakashi the first time Kakashi used chidori, and if you look Kakashi was going really fast, you have to for chidori, and Minato hadn't moved but right as Kakashi was about to get slashed Minato sprinted and saved him.

I'm not sure if there are more but there you go. You can have opinions but you can't just disregard facts and events in the manga.

In those situations he obviously felt like he didnt need to use his teleporting technique. He felt speed wise he was not threatened and could handle the events without it, as he did. But when facing someone as fast as Madara (after grasping his technique) or Raikage he has to use teleportion in order to really surpass them. Those events you mentioned were irrelevant in sense because Minato felt his speed was enough than, when sparing with Raikage it wasn't.

 

[DeathReaperSeal]

In those situations he obviously felt like he didnt need to use his teleporting technique. He felt speed wise he was not threatened and could handle the events without it, as he did. But when facing someone as fast as Madara (after grasping his technique) or Raikage he has to use teleportion in order to really surpass them. Those events you mentioned were irrelevant in sense because Minato felt his speed was enough than, when sparing with Raikage it wasn't.

Yes we do have a Raikage co*k sucker, this guy is so beast, that he twists the words of the charachter he is defending around that admitts that he is slower.
can I have some props for that mann, even Raikage would like you.

 

[blazekev90]

Yes we do have a Raikage co*k sucker, this guy is so beast, that he twists the words of the charachter he is defending around that admitts that he is slower.
can I have some props for that mann, even Raikage would like you.

Before I roast ya stupid azz, explain wft u are talking about?? When did I twist dude words smart guy? And I'm no Raikage fanboy (should be), he's not even one of ma faves, but I'll say wat I want to prove my point.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

In those situations he obviously felt like he didnt need to use his teleporting technique. He felt speed wise he was not threatened and could handle the events without it, as he did. But when facing someone as fast as Madara (after grasping his technique) or Raikage he has to use teleportion in order to really surpass them. Those events you mentioned were irrelevant in sense because Minato felt his speed was enough than, when sparing with Raikage it wasn't.

How do you know his speed wasn't enough? In those situations he didn't have either his kunai in his hand or seals on the people so teleporting would have done him no good and even in those situations he was still fast enough to get there before characters could even move their arms, that is fast.

As for you saying he felt his speed was threatened that doesn't make any sense, he never said that and showed nothing but extreme confidence. Also your logic makes no sense, if you have a way of teleporting which makes it almost impossible to hit you then why would you physically run? FTG is better than running so why on earth would he not use it against high level opponents? Also another point is that it wasn't just Raikage but also Bee and whatever nameless teammates they had. Minato was alone and had his back turned and A tried a sneak attack while Minato was talking to them.

 

[blazekev90]

His speed wasn't enough as far as what?? When facing Raikage or Madara?? I don't know and neither do you. But as far as the threatening part its common sense man. If you think your facing a situation in which u feel superior using a basic move (being speed w/o fgt)why would resort to using one of your best techniques (fgt)?? In those events u mentioned he didn't feel the need to use fgt because there was not an obvious reason for him to use it. Why would someone use there best technique on a simple situation or when first trying to figure out a mysterious character?? And he did use fgt one high level opponents, I didn't see him run around them. O and he wasn't alone, Minato had a team there also they just didn't get involved. Regardless, as I stated I just think their speeds are different, nit taking away from neither character, but Minato would have to teleport in order to surpass Raikage, not saying Raikage is faster or the other way around.

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

His speed wasn't enough as far as what?? When facing Raikage or Madara?? I don't know and neither do you. But as far as the threatening part its common sense man. If you think your facing a situation in which u feel superior using a basic move (being speed w/o fgt)why would resort to using one of your best techniques (fgt)?? In those events u mentioned he didn't feel the need to use fgt because there was not an obvious reason for him to use it. Why would someone use there best technique on a simple situation or when first trying to figure out a mysterious character?? And he did use fgt one high level opponents, I didn't see him run around them. O and he wasn't alone, Minato had a team there also they just didn't get involved. Regardless, as I stated I just think their speeds are different, nit taking away from neither character, but Minato would have to teleport in order to surpass Raikage, not saying Raikage is faster or the other way around.

You just said what I said but are turning the meaning of my words around, he didn't use FTG when Madara was holding Naruto because he couldn't!! I'm sure if he had the option he would have teleported there to save his son even faster. And he didn't have the seal on that guy yet in the Kakashi gaiden so again without throwing a kunai he couldn't have used it, and then he wouldn't have been able to save kakashi in time.

Did you actually read my post? I asked why he would run against a high level opponent when he can use FTG which is better than running. You were saying that he never runs which must mean that he isn't as fast as raikage which is an invalid argument. He doesn't run because he has FTG and running would be pointless, like I said before if you were fighting someone and you had two options and one was clearly better why would you ever pick the weaker option when there were no drawbacks either way? So just because he didn't run doesn't mean he isn't as fast on his feet as A, it just means that FTG is better than running.

You argued that there was no reason for him to use FTG if he was physically faster but I explained above why he would automatically do FTG if he was able since it doesn't cost him anything and there are no drawbacks. I could understand not using FTG if it cost him chakra or in any way inhibited him when fighting but it doesn't so there is no reason why against any level opponent he wouldn't just teleport everywhere.