Yea, they might. But that's not 1on1.Shika-Ino-Cho, father team. They could definitely pull it off. Like Itachi, we don't truly know their power.
Yea, they might. But that's not 1on1.Shika-Ino-Cho, father team. They could definitely pull it off. Like Itachi, we don't truly know their power.
lol i see where your coming from. i did name quite a few but they all imo stand a good chance in defeating Itachi.Wait what?
I understand that fanboys believe Itachi can beat almost anyone, but you're almost doing the opposite now.
First of all, we don't know enough about zetsu, except that he could have lost to naruto (tobi told him that he is not a front line fighter). KinGin are actually 2 people so it's not 1on1. Kakashi was already beaten by Itachi and we know Itachi is faster than kakashi because it was stated in the manga. It would be a win for Itachi. Yamato is not stronger than Kakashi. Deidara was ownd by Itachi and most likely would be again. We don't know much about Kabuto, except that he can summon and that's not so much 1on1, it more like 100 on 1 since Kabuto can decide to not control some shinobi and they would still function.
I agree that the rest are debatable.
thats more of a 3 on 1 instead of 1 on 1 but i except it!Shika-Ino-Cho, father team. They could definitely pull it off. Like Itachi, we don't truly know their power.
Well we know for a fact that Tobi did not want to let zetsu fight naruto because he wasn't strong enough. I'm not sure what to say, except that we can put him on hold until we know more.lol i see where your coming from. i did name quite a few but they all imo stand a good chance in defeating Itachi.
Zetsu because of all his wierd powers and his full capabilites are still unknown. theirs 100,00 of them, he can clone himself, attach spores on the enemy, split in 2 black and white, become "one with the land" etc etc. he seems virtually unkillable and infinite. i think right now he's underrated extremely
Kin Gin fight as 1 i count that.
Kakashi has been beaten by Itachi. but Kakashi has grown alot stronger than the last time they encountered. and Kakashi was more than ready to fight Itachi againt the second time. Kakashi is a great tactitian and i believe he would find a way to beat Itachi if another time came around.
"Yamato is not stronger than Kakashi" lol Anub you know very well that arguements like that are the worse kinds. Naruto is not a rock paper scizzors game. its not like DBZ where the characters are in a line of power levels highest being Goku lowest being Yajarobi or something. i said Yamato because of his wood style. his water attakcs are able ot counter Itachi fire attacks. and he has the cells and dna of the 1st who had beaten Madara, the strongest Uchiha in history.
Deidara is like Kakashi. beaten before but prepared for another fight agaisnt Itachi. you noticed how i mentioned Kakashi and Deidara but not Orochimaru? its because Kakashi was prepared to fight Itachi again. Deidara was also prepared to fight Itachi again. Oro couldnt even beat Sasuke's sharingan let alone Itachi's. lol. but Deidara had trained his eye to counter genjutsu. he also has a kickass self destruct attack that is debatable if Itachi can defend agaisnt.
Kabuto is strong and smart as f*ck! another underrated, underestimated character. him using Edo Tensi miles away and commanding them to attack Itachi is still a 1 on 1. cuz Edo Tensi is a jutsu just like shadow clone. it would still be a 1 on 1 fight if Naruto used multi shadow clone, made thousands of himself and fought Itachi right? sure Itachi is not fighting 1 person but still its attack for attack, jutsu vs jutsu. so with Edo Tensi, Kabuto would really put Itachi agaisnt the ropes.
but yeah thats just all my opinion. i looked at my list and thought it was kinda long too but everyone i listed i believe have either strong chance or a slightly chance of beating Itachi
thats more of a 3 on 1 instead of 1 on 1 but i except it!
but idk if they really could beat Itachi. thats a tough one lol.. it would also make for a great thread!
smh Anub..Well we know for a fact that Tobi did not want to let zetsu fight naruto because he wasn't strong enough. I'm not sure what to say, except that we can put him on hold until we know more.
Kin Gin are actually 2, even if they fight as 1. Ino-shika-chou fight as one and they are 3. This would only work with Pain where is actually is one, but split into 7. And tbh I don't think any/both Kin Gin can defeat Itachi.
When Itachi beat Kakashi, he told him that even if he has the sharingan, he doesn't have an uchiha body and kakashi agreed. That means that no matter how strong kakashi has become, he is doesn't have as much chakra as an uchiha. He is also slower than an uchiha and most likely weaker. This was stated in the manga. Unless Kakashi's sharingan can overcome Itachi's sharingan, Itachi's body is better than Kakashi's.
Well I know that a>b>c so a>c doesn't work in naruto. So in that case, let's remember how Yamato when it was him, sakura, sai and naruto against sasuke. He wasn't thatimpressive. I won't say that Itachi>Sasuke>Yamato, but I will say that Yamato did not impress as much as the hype surrounding the character the first time he was presented. Even if I think he is underrated, I don't think he can beat Itachi.
Deidara has gotten stronger, but I still don't think he can avoid Itachi's genjutsu. He can avoid normal genjutsu, but Itachi's tsukyiomi was strong enough to penetrate a 3 tomoe sharingan that was used to genjutsu. Can you really believe that Deidara, a non-uchiha can train himself to avoid the strongest genjutsu? Of couse you could say yes and then I would stop arguing about this because it's a matter of opinion.
Kabuto is quite smart, but he is not a good fighter. I'm not sure what techniques he's got up his sleeves, but let's say he can use edo tensei (because it would be insane to strip a fighter of his strongest weapons). If it's 1on1, I'm guessing Kabuto doesn't start off on the other side of the map. Instead they are face to face, which means that if he manages to avoid genjutsu, he must still face a lot of obstacles before he can properly use his summons. We saw kabuto controlling them with a chess-like board, but would he really do that if he were face-to-face with Itachi? I doubt it. Unless you want to give Kabuto the insane advantage of him being somewhere hidden, this battle goes in Itachi's favor IMO.
And I think Ino-Shika-Chou (fathers) can beat Itachi, but as I said, they are 3, not 1.
And btw I'll give you +rep if you can guess how many shinobi from your list I selected as being able to defeat Itachi![]()
Naruto, Sasuke, Pain, Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, Jirayia, Guy, Bee, Madara. I would have voted tsuchikage as well if he was on the list.Anub, why dont you just tell me who you think can beat Itachi? i dont care about +reps lol. i get enough of them.
lol i appreciate your input and explaining why !LOL wow I thought we went over this in the last topic. But whatever I'm just posting opinions
Naruto and Sasuke will obviously be able to defeat Itachi since they are the main characters and are the only ones who cna stand toe to toe with each other as of right now and to top it off they just keep getting stronger.
Pain I will side with but good arguments could be bought up for him and Itachi
Hashirama, I mean come on he fought a EMS user and went head to head with one of the best Uchihas (Madara)
4th Thundergod FTW but I wouldn't be 100% sure as Kishi has stated in an interview that their are people who have passed the 4th in these past few generation so Itachi could've been better but won't say he is.
Madara with EMS not too sure what he possesed but is bad ass
Raikage, Bee, Jiriaya, Kabuto, Tobirama could stand a slight chance or even take him out but would give up their own life
and the rest don't stand a chance enought said
hmm im suprised at some of the people you listed!Naruto, Sasuke, Pain, Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, Jirayia, Guy, Bee, Madara. I would have voted tsuchikage as well if he was on the list.
lmfaoo Ramen Guy.. oh yea.. sure.. definently lolk here is my list of all the people who can beat itachi
1) Hashimhara( Darkness genjutsu and woodrelease)
2) Minato (FTG and rasengan)
3) Hiruzen (Darkness genjtsu and whole array of jutsu)
4) Guy though he would die too so may b a tie (8 gates)
5) Naruto in his current state
6) The new sasuke ( EMS> MS)
7) Tobi( Rinnegan)
8) Diedara if his trained eye could break itcahis genjutsu( C4)
9) Sasori(Genjutsu,pain imune and poison mist)
10) Six paths of pain (Rinnegan > ms)
11) Kabuto maru
there might be qute a lot more
on lighter note
ramen guy : he could poison the ramen or tea
You voted for 11.And I think Ino-Shika-Chou (fathers) can beat Itachi, but as I said, they are 3, not 1.
And btw I'll give you +rep if you can guess how many shinobi from your list I selected as being able to defeat Itachi![]()
Why couldn't they? It's three against one and I'd say it's a pretty powerful combination.Shikaku would figure out a way since he's commander jounin of KonohaYou voted for 11.
ButI no Shika chou fathers can not beat Itachi. You are crazy. Kakashi are better than them. and Itachi handled Kakashi like hew as a child...
And Shika ino chou... the fathers would still lose. 3 on 1 doesn't mean the 3 will win. Sasori 100 puppets vs chiyo with 10. chiyo wins. Pain vs Naruto and Naruto wins. etc.Why couldn't they? It's three against one and I'd say it's a pretty powerful combination.Shikaku would figure out a way since he's commander jounin of Konoha
Yes and that was three years ago. Now Kakashi has improven both in speed and in ninjutsu skills..btw kamui ftw
But as for the question I would say:
Madara (obivously)
Sasori (that weird guy because I'm pretty sure genjutsu wouldn't work on him, but he had to be faster than Itachi if he would wanna win, would be unlikely but still possible..and a crazy fight lol..)
Pain (6 paths is too much even for Itachi)
Kakashi (this I'm not very sure but I'm leaning on Kakashi 'cause for the Kamui, and he was also able to match Itachi's speed in their last fight)
Jiraya (Itachi himself stated that Jiraya was stronger than him, but dunno if it was just for to fool Kisame at the time, but still experience + sennin techs = pwning combination)
Sasuke (well he did it once and now he has even improven alot so..)
Hashirama (wood style + darkness jutsu, and also he beat madara so..)
didn't vote for Tobirama 'cause I don't know that much of him.
Also Hiruzen as a geezer would be kinda a wild card to put up against Itachi. Maybe it would be a tie like with Oro.
And I don't think Naruto is not yet smart enough to defeat him say what u will about the fight with Pain.
And Shika ino chou... the fathers would still lose. 3 on 1 doesn't mean the 3 will win. Sasori 100 puppets vs chiyo with 10. chiyo wins. Pain vs Naruto and Naruto wins. etc.
What do you mean? Itachi could have easily one the 2nd fight.....If he was actually there... At that time Kakashi wasn't even that skilled with Kamui he would have lost.
Your list fails at some parts. i am an Itachi fan but to some extent. We know he would lose to jiraiya, Hiruzen, hashirama,Madara (with rinnegan), Minato. MAYBE Pain. But Kakashi and Sasori? Sasori was great but if Saukra can easily destroy the majority of his puppets what makes you think Itachi can't? Unless you're trying to say Sakura and chiyo is smarter and stronger than Itachi in battle?
BTW Itachi did not want to fight Jiraya because that was the type of person he was. He didn't want unecessary conflict. He was there with Kisame they could have taken J man out if they tag teamed him... He didn't walk away because he wasn't strong enough.
Sasuke never "beat" Itachi. Go read/watch that fight again.
Naruto : controlling the kyuubi will give him the edge in the fight. Now naruto will be too fast for Itachi and maybe he can break his tsukyiomi as well seeing how he can control the fox's chakra now.lol i appreciate your input and explaining why !
hmm im suprised at some of the people you listed!
why Naruto, Sasuke, Pain, Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, Jirayia, Guy, Bee, Madara and Onoiki??
btw the list is not limited to those on the poll. i said anybody from the manga, fillers movie etc..
Agreed with the Itachi vs Sasori debate to some extent. Genjutsu won't work and 100 puppets are way too much for Itachi to handle. Now here's my input in your theory. This all depends of where the fight takes place and if Itachi knows about Sasori's poison. In that case I wouldn't exclude Itachi using amaterasu and then waiting while in susano'o. We don't know how much chakra he would need though and that's why it's not a solid plan. Also Itachi's speed should surpass Sasori's speed and his sharigan should be able to read his movements and actually see how he manipulates all the puppets so he can anticipate the attacks.i would have to disagree with you on the sasori pt..
strength wise sakura is stronger with itachi unless itachi can break the entire landscape with his fist...
even though itachi might be smarter than chiyo but chiyo was a puppetier and knew sasori's techniques better than ne one else.
so basically even though einstine a million times smarter than my mechanic
when it comes to fixing my car my mechanic can do this job a hell lot better than einstine..
so even though with is sharingan and great taijutsu 100 puppets would be too much for him...note sharingan cannot see an attack from behind.
without sakura's strength don't think puppets wuld be just one punch wonder..
genjutsu ..dont think wuld work..
there are a lot of hidden and secret weapons in those 100 pupet one would
get itachi eventually..
there is 3rd kazekage and his iron sand..
genjutsu wont work...ametarasu would burn but like other fire it takes time to burn and since puppet donot feel pain,they can fite while still burning making them more lethal..
susano can be cuntered by poison mist..
Naruto : controlling the kyuubi will give him the edge in the fight. Now naruto will be too fast for Itachi and maybe he can break his tsukyiomi as well seeing how he can control the fox's chakra now.
Sasuke : EMS > MS. Self-explanatory.
Pain : without knowledge, Itachi would have a hard battle. With knowledge it's a different type of fight. Either way, this fight can be won be Pain so I put him down.
Hashirama : Madara had EMS and lost to Hashirama. I would think Itachi with just MS would not be able to do much damage.
Tobirama : Senju, just like Hashirama. Not sure about his true powers, but I would put him somewhere close to Hashirama. He was a Hokage after all.
Hiruzen : God of shinobi. Master of so many jutsu. Was said to be stronger than Hashirama and Tobirama.
Minato : Expert tactician, FTG user. Extremely skilled.
Jirayia : Sage mode would be too much for Itachi. Genjutsu doesn't work with the frogs on his shoulders, his speed is higher than Itachi's and his chakra is immense and can outlast Itachi's. This would happen only if Jirayia could go sage mode.
Gai : He's got a lot of experience against sharingan 1on1. Opening 7 gates should be enough to pwn Itachi.
Bee : Same as naruto, but a little weaker. Still enough to beat Itachi
Madara : EMS > MS again.
Tsuchikage : Bloodline expansion. Also, the attack he used against Sasuke was extremely fast and powerful. I'm not sure if susano'o could deflect that if Itachi would be trapped in it.
Of course Itachi has a chance of winning against each of them depending on the situation of the fight and also on how the fight progresses. He might catch Minato in a genjutsu for example and that's it. But those above have a higher chance of winning than Itachi does against them.
So far from what we've seen in the manga that is pretty much it actually. I mean SO6P of course would pwn Itachi. Also I'm sure some of the previous kage would but I don't want to start a debate whether Muu can beat Itachi or not because it's pointless since we don't know Muu's abilities.
People who I really really really believe stand very little chance against Itachi :
Gaara : lack of experience is a major factor. Also way too static and easy target for susano'o.
Kabuto : if it is 1on1, I think Itachi can kill Kabuto before he can put his edo tensei to use.
Kakashi : Itachi still has an uchiha body, while kakashi doesn't. Itachi has more chakra, better MS and is quite possibly smarter(not sure though). No matter how much kakashi improved, he is still limited to very little MS usage, while Itachi even in sickness could use a lot more. Kamui is a good tech, but I believe Itachi can escape it.
Deidara : Itachi is a lot smarter. He is also faster. Deidara's best chance would be blowing himself up I guess, but still wouldn't be able to win. I don't think deidara could train himself that well against the best genjutsu in naruto universe. I already used Kakashi as an example: he had 3 tomoe sharingan that was trained A LOT in fights and seeing how Kakashi is a better genjutsu user than Deidara (Kakashi used genjutsu, deidara never did) then I would say if Itachi can trap Kakashi in genjutsu, he can surely trap deidara. Also we see Itachi trap kakashi's clone in a genjutsu (and by that time kakashi had MS). And even if it was a clone, it was still a replica of Kakashi. So I don't think a normal shinobi without a special eye ability or without being a host can stop itachi's genjutsu.
Agreed with the Itachi vs Sasori debate to some extent. Genjutsu won't work and 100 puppets are way too much for Itachi to handle. Now here's my input in your theory. This all depends of where the fight takes place and if Itachi knows about Sasori's poison. In that case I wouldn't exclude Itachi using amaterasu and then waiting while in susano'o. We don't know how much chakra he would need though and that's why it's not a solid plan. Also Itachi's speed should surpass Sasori's speed and his sharigan should be able to read his movements and actually see how he manipulates all the puppets so he can anticipate the attacks.
On sasori's defense, if Itachi casts susanoo, poison mist should make him break it and then he would be vulnerable.
In conclusion, this fight could go either way and I don't think I can establish any advantage. I did not vote for sasori beating Itachi, but I wouldn't vote for Itachi beating sasori either. Draw (as in it's impossible for me to settle on a winner).
love the einstine and mecanic analogy!i would have to disagree with you on the sasori pt..
strength wise sakura is stronger with itachi unless itachi can break the entire landscape with his fist...
even though itachi might be smarter than chiyo but chiyo was a puppetier and knew sasori's techniques better than ne one else.
so basically even though einstine a million times smarter than my mechanic
when it comes to fixing my car my mechanic can do this job a hell lot better than einstine..
so even though with is sharingan and great taijutsu 100 puppets would be too much for him...note sharingan cannot see an attack from behind.
without sakura's strength don't think puppets wuld be just one punch wonder..
genjutsu ..dont think wuld work..
there are a lot of hidden and secret weapons in those 100 pupet one would
get itachi eventually..
there is 3rd kazekage and his iron sand..
genjutsu wont work...ametarasu would burn but like other fire it takes time to burn and since puppet donot feel pain,they can fite while still burning making them more lethal..
susano can be cuntered by poison mist..
thats well said and i agree! i also didnt know whether to pick Muu, 3rd Raikage etc. we know lil about them so its hard to tellNaruto : controlling the kyuubi will give him the edge in the fight. Now naruto will be too fast for Itachi and maybe he can break his tsukyiomi as well seeing how he can control the fox's chakra now.
Sasuke : EMS > MS. Self-explanatory.
Pain : without knowledge, Itachi would have a hard battle. With knowledge it's a different type of fight. Either way, this fight can be won be Pain so I put him down.
Hashirama : Madara had EMS and lost to Hashirama. I would think Itachi with just MS would not be able to do much damage.
Tobirama : Senju, just like Hashirama. Not sure about his true powers, but I would put him somewhere close to Hashirama. He was a Hokage after all.
Hiruzen : God of shinobi. Master of so many jutsu. Was said to be stronger than Hashirama and Tobirama.
Minato : Expert tactician, FTG user. Extremely skilled.
Jirayia : Sage mode would be too much for Itachi. Genjutsu doesn't work with the frogs on his shoulders, his speed is higher than Itachi's and his chakra is immense and can outlast Itachi's. This would happen only if Jirayia could go sage mode.
Gai : He's got a lot of experience against sharingan 1on1. Opening 7 gates should be enough to pwn Itachi.
Bee : Same as naruto, but a little weaker. Still enough to beat Itachi
Madara : EMS > MS again.
Tsuchikage : Bloodline expansion. Also, the attack he used against Sasuke was extremely fast and powerful. I'm not sure if susano'o could deflect that if Itachi would be trapped in it.
Of course Itachi has a chance of winning against each of them depending on the situation of the fight and also on how the fight progresses. He might catch Minato in a genjutsu for example and that's it. But those above have a higher chance of winning than Itachi does against them.
So far from what we've seen in the manga that is pretty much it actually. I mean SO6P of course would pwn Itachi. Also I'm sure some of the previous kage would but I don't want to start a debate whether Muu can beat Itachi or not because it's pointless since we don't know Muu's abilities.
People who I really really really believe stand very little chance against Itachi :
Gaara : lack of experience is a major factor. Also way too static and easy target for susano'o.
Kabuto : if it is 1on1, I think Itachi can kill Kabuto before he can put his edo tensei to use.
Kakashi : Itachi still has an uchiha body, while kakashi doesn't. Itachi has more chakra, better MS and is quite possibly smarter(not sure though). No matter how much kakashi improved, he is still limited to very little MS usage, while Itachi even in sickness could use a lot more. Kamui is a good tech, but I believe Itachi can escape it.
Deidara : Itachi is a lot smarter. He is also faster. Deidara's best chance would be blowing himself up I guess, but still wouldn't be able to win. I don't think deidara could train himself that well against the best genjutsu in naruto universe. I already used Kakashi as an example: he had 3 tomoe sharingan that was trained A LOT in fights and seeing how Kakashi is a better genjutsu user than Deidara (Kakashi used genjutsu, deidara never did) then I would say if Itachi can trap Kakashi in genjutsu, he can surely trap deidara. Also we see Itachi trap kakashi's clone in a genjutsu (and by that time kakashi had MS). And even if it was a clone, it was still a replica of Kakashi. So I don't think a normal shinobi without a special eye ability or without being a host can stop itachi's genjutsu.
Agreed with the Itachi vs Sasori debate to some extent. Genjutsu won't work and 100 puppets are way too much for Itachi to handle. Now here's my input in your theory. This all depends of where the fight takes place and if Itachi knows about Sasori's poison. In that case I wouldn't exclude Itachi using amaterasu and then waiting while in susano'o. We don't know how much chakra he would need though and that's why it's not a solid plan. Also Itachi's speed should surpass Sasori's speed and his sharigan should be able to read his movements and actually see how he manipulates all the puppets so he can anticipate the attacks.
On sasori's defense, if Itachi casts susanoo, poison mist should make him break it and then he would be vulnerable.
In conclusion, this fight could go either way and I don't think I can establish any advantage. I did not vote for sasori beating Itachi, but I wouldn't vote for Itachi beating sasori either. Draw (as in it's impossible for me to settle on a winner).
i have no clue either how Sasori could avoid genjutsu. maybe because he doesnt have a physical body, hes just a scroll. but than again if hes a puppet how does he see?? lolI don't get how a genjutsu would not work on Sasori? It's true Sasori is quite strong and his 100 puppets will be a lot to handle but if Itachi focuses on Sasori all he has to do is capture him in a genjutsu's and wouldn't it than cancel out the 100 puppet tech of his? I don't think his puppets are living things that can get him out of genjutsu but than I could be missing something about him. And how would the poison take out Susanoo? Also in the latest anime didn't really catch this in the manga but when Gaara asked Tobi about Sasuke Tobi said he wanted Susanoo becuase it's a rare tech and powerful. Someone like Tobi after that tech even tho he knows Izanagi.
And Shika ino chou... the fathers would still lose. 3 on 1 doesn't mean the 3 will win. Sasori 100 puppets vs chiyo with 10. chiyo wins. Pain vs Naruto and Naruto wins. etc.
1.What do you mean? Itachi could have easily one the 2nd fight.....If he was actually there... At that time Kakashi wasn't even that skilled with Kamui he would have lost.
2.Your list fails at some parts. i am an Itachi fan but to some extent. We know he would lose to jiraiya, Hiruzen, hashirama,Madara (with rinnegan), Minato. MAYBE Pain. But Kakashi and Sasori? Sasori was great but if Saukra can easily destroy the majority of his puppets what makes you think Itachi can't? Unless you're trying to say Sakura and chiyo is smarter and stronger than Itachi in battle?
3.BTW Itachi did not want to fight Jiraya because that was the type of person he was. He didn't want unecessary conflict. He was there with Kisame they could have taken J man out if they tag teamed him... He didn't walk away because he wasn't strong enough.
4.Sasuke never "beat" Itachi. Go read/watch that fight again.
I don't get how a genjutsu would not work on Sasori? It's true Sasori is quite strong and his 100 puppets will be a lot to handle but if Itachi focuses on Sasori all he has to do is capture him in a genjutsu's and wouldn't it than cancel out the 100 puppet tech of his? I don't think his puppets are living things that can get him out of genjutsu but than I could be missing something about him. And how would the poison take out Susanoo? Also in the latest anime didn't really catch this in the manga but when Gaara asked Tobi about Sasuke Tobi said he wanted Susanoo becuase it's a rare tech and powerful. Someone like Tobi after that tech even tho he knows Izanagi.