Well I guess that right there was a fail on sasuke's behalf, but we know for a fact that Itachi blew an instant whole through jirayia's technique and as far as I remember his tech was quite powerful. We also know that it burnt Raikage's arm within seconds, while he had his lightning armor (that alone is a huge thing). Also you need to remember the damage it did to the hachibi...amaterasu was practically able to kill the second strongest tailed beast in mere seconds (if sasuke wouldn't have stopped it and wouldn't have cut the tentacle, the hachibi would have been killed). I think you need to look at the bigger picture here and see the damage it did, rather than how many people it killed.
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Oh Ok makes senses now but I'm pretty sure it would affect Sasori in some way (At least his fake body)
Poison mist? I was pretty sure he had a blade that had poison in it which he would cut his opponent and poison them that way? unless I'm wrong you can correct me. (Wasn't it Hanzo who let the poison in the air)
Yeah, your right but it's kinda odd that they talk about both getting killed, than swtich to talking about Sannin Jiriaya and how Itachi states everyone has a weakness and than in manga the necessary to retreat part.
Yeah, but all I'm trying to get out their is you can't base an entire fight between top class shinobi's with one attack.
Amu was barely used for the purpose of killing, Itachi used it to escape Jiriaya belly of that frog or whatever which Jiriaya stated no one has ever escaped, than he used it on Sasuke obviously not to kill but burnt Oro snake at the end, He would've killed Tobi (He even stated it) but Izanagi that can probably escape jutsu's even stronger than Amu, than Sasuke used it on Bee but distinguished it as he was not ment to kill him, than on the Samurai and in the start Sasuke didn't even wanna battle them but the Samurai did get saved and Sasuke wasn't really focused on him, here is were they could've killed on Raikage did cripple him and if Raikage kept going he may have killed Sasuke but his own life would've gone in the process (I wouldn't see the story get any further if Raikage did die as his village may hold a grudge against the leaf and story would have a twist rather have see Raikage still in the show), And last I'm pretty sure he did use it on Danzou which he closed one of the sharingan as Danzo had his incomplete Izanagi. LOL
I know it hasn't killed anyone but has done its toll of damage and their have been quite a lot of strong jutsu that have barely played an effective role but it's the way it is right now
I wouldn't get started with Inception he has great points and can counter you if he feels like it and thinks this argument is worthy which he may not as this topic has been discussed a million times.
On the side note I favour Pein as much as Itachi and Minato those three are my favs so I don't side with anyhting but what I think is correct.
I have agreed with Pein taking this battle from what we seen in the manga of these two but the way you try stating this battle is if it would be a walk in the park, I mean we both no it wouldn't. Pein is strong but just as Pein has secrets hidden about himself Itachi has the exact same now don't say things like oh Pein knows a lot about a sharingan or MS and Itachi's tech. cause he won't. Every battle it seems like Itachi knows nothing about the person he's battling but yet they know a lot about sharingans.
Pein does have the ultimate jutsu which he destroyed leaf but lets not forget it shortens his life span just has Itachi using MS shortens his eyesight. And I doubt Pein would use that jutsu in a battle like this also if this battle is in or near his village he may not use it. Unless if Itachi takes him to an extreme limit than he may have to resort to it
As I have said Pein would win this no doubt but this is are assumption and knowledge of what we seen but no one will ever no what the outcome will truly be, just wanted to point out a couple of things if I have made mistake in anything I said feel free to correct me
No genjustu not working would mean no effect, n just for arguement sake even if it caused any affect that would mean nothing since his pppet body felt no pain,no fatigue...
Yep sasori had poison mist..he used it in sakura through the 3rd kazekage puppet...
m sure he has a whole buch of pupets that have poison mist..
he had a total of 298 puppets..many of them being human puppet capable of performing jutsu.
how strong woud he get if he could poison itachi and turn him into a puppet.
My bad, You kinda got me wrong there as I was not specific. I meant His puppet body would have some kind of weakness not to genjutsu, as this would need to be discovered while in battle. Oh I'll look into that later on as it is night here don't feel like watching that battle again but I swear it was thru a sword. I wouldn't consider all puppets holding the poison, it's like your stating he would be unbeatable and even his 298 puppets with capabilities of performing jutsu and have poison he could take Pein out or even Itachi and Pein at once with poison and 298 puppets. I do doubt it but thats the way it seems you are stating it
Sasori was a poison user so all of his puppets would hold poison, some in form of liquid on his weapon,
some in form of poison mist..
not all 298 puppets are capable of performing jutsus only human puppets are.
are u misinterpreting or trying to be sarcastic or just trying to take this discussion in a different direction
i never said saaori is unbeatable..pein can just do a wide scalfe sinra tensie and blast off all the puppets
how ever we are talking about itachi vs sasori and itachi doesnt have a jutsu that can wipe out all puppets at once,
sasori has counters to virtually all of itachi's techniques, he can out last in stamina,with his human puppets he has a wider range of jutsu, he can over whelm with sheer number..
sasori is more durable than itachi..plz no arguement here sakura could only destroy the puppets withone punch due to her strength..no way itachi can destroy them wit a punch.
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no as what i can see, he just state that itachi will have a hard time facing sasori.. sasori vs pain no doubt sasori dont have any techniques that i see will affect the 6 paths, im pretty sure poison wont work to dead bodies.lol. but since itachi is vulnerable to poison and he is no medical ninja that would be a disadvantage for itachi.
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ok let me go over all the times Amaterasu has been used. its purpose in being used and whether it completed its purposes or not.
1. Itachi used Amaterasu to escape Jiraiya. Itachi and Kisame was trapped in Jiraiya Toad Belly jutsu and there is no escaping that jutsu. Itachi did mangae to escape using Amaterasu though. that was a success for Amaterasu
2. Itachi used Amaterasu to attack Sasuke and subdue him to "take his eyes". there were couple of times he used Amaterasu on Sasuke during the fight. the 1 time Sasuke countered with fire jutsu, another he dodged it and another where Sasuke appeared to be hit but in actuality he also dodged it by Orochimarus jutsu. Amaterasu failed multiple times that time. failure by Itachi.
3. Itachi implants his powers into Sasuke. he sets a trap for Madara, Amaterasu would attack Madara from Sasuke's eye at the sight of Madara's sharingan. purpose is to protect Sasuke, kill Madara, keep Madara away from Sasuke and prevent Madara from tellin Sasuke the truth. Madara in the shadows escapes the attack (probably from space/time or Inazagi), lives and tells Sasuke everything. Amaterasu fails. failure by Itachi
4. Sasuke used Amaterasu to subdue Hachibi. Sasuke and friends had used everything to fight Bee but in the end the last resort was relying on Amaterasu to beat Bee. it wasn't meant to kill him, because Sasuke needed him alive. but what happened is that Bee was not captured, he escaped Sasuke and friends and Amaterasu had failed in subduing him for the capture. faiure by Sasuke.
5. Amaterasu was used offensively to attack Raikage. A however swiftly dodged it with ease. Amaterasu failed in even touching Raikage but hit a random Samurai instead. failure by Sasuke.
6. right after above where i explained Raikage dodged the offensive amaterasu, he appears behind Sasuke for an attack. Sasuke with Sasunoo up combines it with covering himself with Amaterasu, now using it defensively and in attempt to force Raikage not to continue with his attack. but in to everyones shock Raikage doesnt slow down and continues to chop Sasuke despite there beinh black flames covering him. Amaterasu failed once again. failure by Sasuke
7. right after that Sasuke s knocked onto the ground and continues to cover himself with black flames even though Rakage is continuing with another attack and show no signs of ceasing. Sasuke manipulate the flames to take shape of spikes to harm Raikag but is interupted by Gaara. the flames do no reach their target and does nothing. Amaterasu fail. failure by Sasuke. or maybe Gaara for interupting
8. remember that random Samurai that was hit by Amaterasu? he doesnt even die thanks to Kankuro and Temari removing his armor. Amaterasu fail. failure by Sasuke.
9. Sasuke is approached by Gaara at the summit and attacks him with multiple flames in attempt to harm Kazekage. Gaara effortlessly deflects them with his Absolute Defense Sand protecting himself and even his brother and sister. Amaterasu fail. failure by Sasuke
10. Sasuke is fighting Danzo, fueled by rage and fighting for vengence. he attacks Danzo with Amaterasu to harm and kill him. Amaterasu connects and engulf Danzo but Danzo escapes death by using Inazagi. Amaterasu doesnt accomplish killing Danzo. Amaterasu fails. failure by Sasuke.
so in conclusion out of 10 times we have see Amaterasu being used in the manga to kill an enemy, subdue a foe or escape from a fight, 1 out of 10 times Amaterasu has been succesful in accomplishing its purpose.
this is why i say Amaterasu is overrated. because 90% of the times when used it has failed in the purpose of why its being used. it hasnt done any damage. Bee escaped and Raikage chose to lose his arms.
thats exactly what i am trying to say! people are always saying "Itachi uses Amaterasu and its over" that has never been the case in the manga and its rarely the case for strong ninjas
actually you should look at my above statement to Anub. their was many incidences where it was used to kill. sometimes to subdue an enemy. but it never accomplished any of that except to allow Itachi to escape Jiraiya.
it doesnt matter at all the times what "coulda, shoulda, woulda" or "what ifs" happened (example if Itachi knew all about Madara, or Sasuke hadnt severed a tentacle of Hachibi) what matters is what actaully happened and what happened the majority of when Amaterasu was used is that it failed on fulfilling the reason it was used for.
you starting to understand why i say its an overrated technique? its like if Rasengan didnt subdue Kabuto, didnt kill Kakuzu, destroy Pain bodies and help finish defeat Kyuubi when Naruto had used it, i would say Rasengan is an overrated attack.
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Sorry, pemayozer I had quite a bit written don't know if you've already quoted and are responding but I find this quite useless because it gets no where and arguments just start rather keep a clean forum.
I'm done with these VS thread unless it's about a live ninjas which we actually see battling each other (Kakashi RAMPAGE VS 7 Sword men and so on)
Personally I agree with you oh and my bad you actually mentioned that but I didn't catch it.
This is something everyone will use in these VS thread theirs no conclusion or anything always disagreement and arguments I admit at time I can be a **** and defend up some people only because its my opinion which I will stick with and I understand others believe their opinions.
I like that "coulda, shoulda, woulda" or "what ifs" you stated. This I would like to also bring up to pervious battles in epi and I don't know if you have said this but fact is fact Chiyo & Sakura VS Sasori winner - Chiyo & Sakura, Sasuke VS Itachi - winner Sasuke, Naurto VS Pein winner Naruto and so on that "coulda, shoulda, woulda" or "what ifs" dpoes not go in this category either as I would hate to admit this and they beat them thats how it is. LOL What you think?
Yes, I understand what your saying about Amu being overated but also maybe it's ment to be like that for a reason, say Amu was successful all those times or majority of the time move would become OP and once Sasuke gained EMS battles would go by with ease for him he justs needs a good connection with Amu (and make it more difficult for opponents activate Susanoo) thats what it would be and you can't deny it just picture amu succeding all those times.
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Hahaha I kinda find this quite funny.
Fact: If you were around when people first started making Itachi topics I provided so many points and facts on my opinion and now I don't because it's useless. I'm not gonna sit here for hours discussing about Itachi VS ??? with someone like you who lacks understanding of Itachi and his ability you personally believe anyone can beat Itachi. I stop replying not because I got countered, It's because this pointless discussion doesn't get anywhere
You or me are not Kishi this battle is made up in our minds, theirs rarely any rights or wrong in these kinda of discussions.
I first responded to this thread to say who I think can personally beat Itachi and who could put up good fights. Then I asked about genjutsu on Sasori here you come a long who thinks he knows everything you answered my question yet you dragged on this convo as he would get poisoned and so and so would happen to him.
So personally speaking don't give me that crap of lacking understanding when it's you that has that problem and keep dragging something pointless on and on. Also you lack respect to other people post and topics learn that first.
News flash:
THIS BATTLE IS NOT REAL, define Opinion and discussion. Don't go on about, " Oh Sasori has poison and Itachi will just stand their while it consumes him or so and so can do this andf Itachi just sit their." Thats all you say and thats a fact.
PS: You talk about understand but yet you failed to understand on how to quote a post
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