The chapter was pretty good but I suspect the next chapter will bring out the start of all the action. I just cant wait to see Haku,Kimimaro and Itachi my favorite's back in the game. I much prefered the last chapter to this one, I was totally geekin out.
[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 516 Discussion and 517 Predictions
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Yes, thats my toughts exactly. But i guess it will be at least another 50 chapters until we know more about madara. Only when he is defeated or at least until he gets to the final fight, we will not learn anything new.
As for zetsus cloning tech, there seems to be a confusing somewhere. When he copied Kisame, he didn't fight. The fighting kisame was still the real one. He just took his place so that he could simulate his death. At least that's what i understood. I maybe mistaken. So, zetsu can create a faithfull copy of someone down to their chakra and apearance making him completly indistinguishable from the real thing. However, nowhere in the manga does it say that the copies wield the originals abilities. And if they did, why did kabuto summon the akatsuki for example? Zetsu would create a copy of them and they would be as real as the original and have the same abilities.
Zetsu will only be used by its sheer numbers and his ability to turn to jelly making him impervious to physical attacks. Maybe he can do some suiton or doton jutsu or even maybe mokuton but that's not clear and i seriously doubt it. But there's another situation...remeber in the summit? zetsu took the chakras of everyone and gave them to sasuke. If the zetsu clones atach themselves to all ninja, summons and creatures in battle and give their chakra to madara then madara will have an almost endless chakra supply. That is what i think will be the biggest asset that he will get from the zetsu clones. But that's just my guess.
I explained it way back
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. If you read this I think you would have to agree with me, it is very possible for gedo mazo to be the body of the 10 tails. And let me just add, the 9 eyes were added on the bandage later. Probably under the bandage is its eye which has (again probably) lost its power due to the lack of chakra after it was sealed by the sage of the six paths.I have no idea how he was able to summon it, but, after all, he has the rinnegan, he should be able to do it. And maybe the rods that connected to his back actually took his chakra to power up the gedo mazo as it apparently needs a lot of fuel, so to say, to operate. I think that because its chakra was taken out the tails disappeared. Probably we'll never know, but this theory is very logical if you just look at the pictures and compare them.
P.S. As long as I remember that post was totally ignored back when I wrote it xd
P.S.2 Actually the 9 tailed beasts were created by Izanagi, but the ten tails is not known to be created like that. I would guess that it can be revived only by gradually stacking up the chakra of the 1-9 tailed beasts (thus saving the 9 tails for last). And because the body has lost it power it would crumble if a large enough amount of chakra (Nine-tails) was sealed in it when it does not have enough chakra in itself to support that new quantity (it was stated in the beginning of shippuuden as far as I remember that the 9 tails would have to be the last beast sealed).
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kyuubinaru
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Ok. Here is theory of mine that I have had for some time now. This is a stretch, but would any of you think that Madara uses the same technique that Orochimaru wanted to use on Saskue. Maybe Madara is inside the body of a ninja who was named tobi. He may have even saved obito and then took over his body. Kishi might have an ace up his sleeve, ya know?
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Sennin Jinchuuriki
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The thing with Oro's tech is that he had to change body every three years and secondly it was a technique he created. Madara if he was in some other body should have been weakened but it doesn't seem to be the case. One might argue that he might have changed bodies in between this time. But as far I have seen Madara's secret has to be something new.
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What leaves me caught off guard and questioning, is how and why Nagato is resurrected? Madara has already taken the Rinnegan, so how then should he possess it?? Unless Kabuto can resurrect a second pair into the "dead" Nagato. Then if not, Naguto as far as i can remember-lacked any special jutsus, he had his power and jutsus from the Rinnegan, the jutsus all the six Pain's used came from the Rinnegans power, so all Nagato has is hand-to-hand combat, right? One possibility I might be able to brainstorm about this, is that Madara will give one of the Rinnegan eyes back to the "dead" Nagato, since as far as we know, Madara is only using one of them. Any Ideas?
Is that what i think it is, someone look carefully at the Byakugan user, please tell me whats on his forehead?!
That appears to be the seal that is placed on a branch family member to prevent them from hurting a member of head family. Neji has one under his band.
That appears to be the seal that is placed on a branch family member to prevent them from hurting a member of head family. Neji has one under his band.
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Agreed, It starting to annoy the hell out of me now, Can the questions & speculations of that just die already.
LOL! I'm not sure she was referring to it looking like a swastika like the other idiots...I like how you guys jumped all over it though, like "OMG not again". LOL!
I think she is just wowed by the fact that that symbol is making an appearance in the manga again. I mean in all honesty it should be a wow. It was only mentioned ONCE and we have never seen it in play except for a flashback when it is activated ONCE. I'd love to see it make a comeback and really really make a difference in this next few chapters. It got underplayed big time back then. Almost like a back story to a character's disposition but it never made a big part in the story after that.
The byakugan family is not to be underestimated. I went back and watched Neji vs the Spidery Sound Ninja... I have mad respect for Neji. A lesser ninja wouldve fallen at the 3rd or 4th wound. He took 8 wounds and still won the day. I am VERY excited to see the byakugan branch family seal come back into action. Please Kishi, please let it have an affect on the current storyline!!
and ya gotta give gtheresa a little leeway... it was her first post. im just glad she logged in and added another member to the narutobase forum. and that she didnt openly call it a swastika, even if thats what she was implying. LOL.
I'm not gone, peeps. I appreciate all your kind words. Its nice to know there are a few people on here who like reading what I have to say. It means a lot to me.
Jabz, I hope you stick around man, you're one of the few that gets verbalistic (yes I made this word up just now) around here, like me. You never had anything to apologize for, broski. Even if you intentionally pushed me with your responses, its healthy for me to accept that other people won't always agree with me. Even if I think I am right, that doesn't mean that I am.
I think she is just wowed by the fact that that symbol is making an appearance in the manga again. I mean in all honesty it should be a wow. It was only mentioned ONCE and we have never seen it in play except for a flashback when it is activated ONCE. I'd love to see it make a comeback and really really make a difference in this next few chapters. It got underplayed big time back then. Almost like a back story to a character's disposition but it never made a big part in the story after that.
The byakugan family is not to be underestimated. I went back and watched Neji vs the Spidery Sound Ninja... I have mad respect for Neji. A lesser ninja wouldve fallen at the 3rd or 4th wound. He took 8 wounds and still won the day. I am VERY excited to see the byakugan branch family seal come back into action. Please Kishi, please let it have an affect on the current storyline!!
and ya gotta give gtheresa a little leeway... it was her first post. im just glad she logged in and added another member to the narutobase forum. and that she didnt openly call it a swastika, even if thats what she was implying. LOL.
I'm not gone, peeps. I appreciate all your kind words. Its nice to know there are a few people on here who like reading what I have to say. It means a lot to me.
Jabz, I hope you stick around man, you're one of the few that gets verbalistic (yes I made this word up just now) around here, like me. You never had anything to apologize for, broski. Even if you intentionally pushed me with your responses, its healthy for me to accept that other people won't always agree with me. Even if I think I am right, that doesn't mean that I am.
i see what you mean, it looks a little like the cursed seals that orochimaru placed on sasuke and kimimaro and the others, however I think that the thing on madara/tobi's fan/guitar/weapon is more than likely the 3 dots of the advanced sharingan eye. That's my guess anyways. I wonder why the hell he is wearing that thing anyways, is he gonna use it for something, like ever?
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Didn't Madara use that fan/weapon in the flash backs that showed him fighting the 1st?
Actually, I know the anime version definately showed him with the exact same style fan/weapon but I can't recall which episode it was.
Don't go anywhere Omningan, I really do enjoy reading your thoughts of possibilities.
I really do wish that more people in these threads would at least skim through the earlier pages so that the same questions and posts don't pop up every 5 posts. This week its the freakin swastika, a couple of weeks ago it was the goober and balls on the armadillo.
READ EARLIER POSTS PEOPLE SO THAT YOU DON'T LOOK STUPID LATER!!!
Actually, I know the anime version definately showed him with the exact same style fan/weapon but I can't recall which episode it was.
Don't go anywhere Omningan, I really do enjoy reading your thoughts of possibilities.
I really do wish that more people in these threads would at least skim through the earlier pages so that the same questions and posts don't pop up every 5 posts. This week its the freakin swastika, a couple of weeks ago it was the goober and balls on the armadillo.
READ EARLIER POSTS PEOPLE SO THAT YOU DON'T LOOK STUPID LATER!!!
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When I linked izanagi and the jubi, I meant the following:
1. The jubi's body is far from earth.
2. the rinnegan has no relation to the jubi (they're completely independent)
3. nagato's power is tiny compared to that of the so6p
4. from 2 & 3, nagato cannot summon the jubi from that far
5. madara may need jubi's body to recreate the ten-tailed beast
6. from 1, 4, 5, madara has to remake the jubi's body from scratch.
7. madara should probably use izanagi to do 6, as there's no other similar technique
I didn't mean that the jubi was initially created by izanagi. Actually, I'm sure it wasn't.
Now for the whole gedo mazo vs jubi discussion, I can't agree with most of the arguments.
I'm a bit reluctant to pursue it because I believe that the jubi is not gedo mazo just as much as I believe that tobi is madara.
Gedo mazo:
1. an independent summon. Has to be, since the rinnegan is independent from all previous things. The rinnegan was not born as a response to the jubi.
2. nagato should probably be aware of what he summons, especially big things. Therefore, he should know what the BIG gedo mazo was. If it were the jubi, he'd probably call it that way. A beast does not name itself, so the jubi probably doesn't have more than the name we all know.
It's like trying summon a toad and you get the dead demon instead.
3. Tails don't just fall off. It's the great JUBI! I'm sure it's more resilient than that. And gedo mazo does not have tails.
4. Gedo Mazo is summoned by the outer path, not the animal path. So it's not like transporting it from a place (moon) to another. And we have to admit that it was inside the moon in the first place. again: nagato's powers are nothing of that scale, we all saw that when he tried to contain the kyubi.
5. I don't believe that nagato put 9 eyes on top of a bandage that covers the jubi's big eye.
6. The stubs that appear on gedo mazo and those that may be present on the jubi's body may be simple coincidences... just like so many other things in the manga. They're not even outlined. How could we tell what those are?
... but I'll admit they look a bit similar. Still, they have their differences. And quite major ones.
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SageModeSharingan
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First post Yall so don't rip my head off. Lol.
1. It is a little aggravating for people to constantly bring up the swatika. I mean yes it looks like the swastika but come on.......does anyone truly believe they have ties with the Nazi regime. Lol. Picture neji in a Nazi outfit.
2. I hate when people keep saying that kabuto cannot summon the hokages because of the fact yhey were sealed in the reaped death guy. No where in the whole story does it even give a hint that that is the case. On the other hand they have hinted toward the fact that one can summon someone sealed. Just read or watch the episode during the invasion of konoha arch. N plz no one say that the Manga and anime are not related b/c that is hog wash.
3. I believe edo summons such as itachi and nagato can use their eyes. If the hyuuga clan seal destroys the byuukugan upon death and if what some say is true then he sjouldnt have his byuukugan but he does. Hazashi hyuuga has his byuukugan on page 4, chapter 516. If his byuukugan was destroyed upon his death and kabuto reserects him and he has it, why would the other eye techniques users be any different.
I wrote this on my phone while I was at work I'm didn't have time to proofread clarify some topics. so if this makes no sense to you please reply let me know and I'll clarify any discrepancies
1. It is a little aggravating for people to constantly bring up the swatika. I mean yes it looks like the swastika but come on.......does anyone truly believe they have ties with the Nazi regime. Lol. Picture neji in a Nazi outfit.
2. I hate when people keep saying that kabuto cannot summon the hokages because of the fact yhey were sealed in the reaped death guy. No where in the whole story does it even give a hint that that is the case. On the other hand they have hinted toward the fact that one can summon someone sealed. Just read or watch the episode during the invasion of konoha arch. N plz no one say that the Manga and anime are not related b/c that is hog wash.
3. I believe edo summons such as itachi and nagato can use their eyes. If the hyuuga clan seal destroys the byuukugan upon death and if what some say is true then he sjouldnt have his byuukugan but he does. Hazashi hyuuga has his byuukugan on page 4, chapter 516. If his byuukugan was destroyed upon his death and kabuto reserects him and he has it, why would the other eye techniques users be any different.
I wrote this on my phone while I was at work I'm didn't have time to proofread clarify some topics. so if this makes no sense to you please reply let me know and I'll clarify any discrepancies
I'm not going to rip your head off, because I'm new, too. @_@
I agree on point one. (and lolled a bit)
2. During the Invasion of Konoha Arc, the only reason Orochimaru couldn't summon the Fourth Hokage is because Hiruzen didn't allow the third coffin to rise. (Makes me wonder why he didn't do it for the other two.)
3. Simple: the Zetsu clones make perfect copies. I imagine that means that he makes the clone of the person with that ninja's eyes, whether they were sealed away forever or not, and the soul, while killed by that jutsu, does not lose the Byakugan in the afterlife. That's probably why Hazashi has his Byakugan.
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Glad I could make u laugh.
But the point I wanted to make about #2 was that I don't like how people just made up the point about if someone was sealed inside the reaper death god guy then that prevents them from being summoned back to life via edo tensie (spelling sucks). This aggravated me because it was never hinted at even one bit and people go around saying its true despite actual evidence that says its wrong given by people like omnigan in the previous thread. Great postbtw)
Now about my third post I was referring to the question of weather the or not edo summons would have their respected eyes if the said eye was stolen/ destroyed upon their death.(itachi nagato ) I was just saying that they would in fact have their eyes because hizashi eyes where destroyed when he died via his seal placed on his forehead (the infamous swastikawe hear so much about) and when he was risen back to life by kabuto he did have his byuukugan. so one would expect the same applies to itachi and nagato. beside summon them without their eyes cause honestly is what makes them who they are. kabuto needs strong shinobi not some regular people with just good hand to hand combat.
Glad I could make u laugh.
But the point I wanted to make about #2 was that I don't like how people just made up the point about if someone was sealed inside the reaper death god guy then that prevents them from being summoned back to life via edo tensie (spelling sucks). This aggravated me because it was never hinted at even one bit and people go around saying its true despite actual evidence that says its wrong given by people like omnigan in the previous thread. Great postbtw)
Now about my third post I was referring to the question of weather the or not edo summons would have their respected eyes if the said eye was stolen/ destroyed upon their death.(itachi nagato ) I was just saying that they would in fact have their eyes because hizashi eyes where destroyed when he died via his seal placed on his forehead (the infamous swastikawe hear so much about) and when he was risen back to life by kabuto he did have his byuukugan. so one would expect the same applies to itachi and nagato. beside summon them without their eyes cause honestly is what makes them who they are. kabuto needs strong shinobi not some regular people with just good hand to hand combat.
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yo bro! i live again. peace...peace....really am happy you're back.
guess we'll just have to wait for kishi's validation re our edo tensei claims.
don't worry, i will come to like kabuto soon. i can feel it. his skills shown are just abit "hurried". i think he'll bring out the best in the end..in sasuke and madara. he actually is my "picture" of the "acceptance" path the so6p will have to undergo. i'll discuss this with you later on...hope to jive it in the topic of a forum-chapter.
i knew it bro...you won't leave a "loved" manga this great.
When I linked izanagi and the jubi, I meant the following:
1. The jubi's body is far from earth.
2. the rinnegan has no relation to the jubi (they're completely independent)
3. nagato's power is tiny compared to that of the so6p
4. from 2 & 3, nagato cannot summon the jubi from that far
5. madara may need jubi's body to recreate the ten-tailed beast
6. from 1, 4, 5, madara has to remake the jubi's body from scratch.
7. madara should probably use izanagi to do 6, as there's no other similar technique
I didn't mean that the jubi was initially created by izanagi. Actually, I'm sure it wasn't.
Now for the whole gedo mazo vs jubi discussion, I can't agree with most of the arguments.
I'm a bit reluctant to pursue it because I believe that the jubi is not gedo mazo just as much as I believe that tobi is madara.
Gedo mazo:
1. an independent summon. Has to be, since the rinnegan is independent from all previous things. The rinnegan was not born as a response to the jubi.
2. nagato should probably be aware of what he summons, especially big things. Therefore, he should know what the BIG gedo mazo was. If it were the jubi, he'd probably call it that way. A beast does not name itself, so the jubi probably doesn't have more than the name we all know.
It's like trying summon a toad and you get the dead demon instead.
3. Tails don't just fall off. It's the great JUBI! I'm sure it's more resilient than that. And gedo mazo does not have tails.
4. Gedo Mazo is summoned by the outer path, not the animal path. So it's not like transporting it from a place (moon) to another. And we have to admit that it was inside the moon in the first place. again: nagato's powers are nothing of that scale, we all saw that when he tried to contain the kyubi.
5. I don't believe that nagato put 9 eyes on top of a bandage that covers the jubi's big eye.
6. The stubs that appear on gedo mazo and those that may be present on the jubi's body may be simple coincidences... just like so many other things in the manga. They're not even outlined. How could we tell what those are?
... but I'll admit they look a bit similar. Still, they have their differences. And quite major ones.
i agree with you alkad...been following your posts. you've got a good enumeration of madara's plan re the juubi there.
how i wish snake oro could join us with this....
anyways,
the moon is the so6p's defeated juubi monster's body. when madara talked of the "moon eye plan", i had an inkling that the juubi was what madara's plan would be all about.
the way he is collecting the tailed beast, it will all end to --the juubi monster. and his moon eye plan is "madara controlling the ten tailed beast".
the gedo mazo would be his "storage" for the meantime. once madara gets to collect all the tailed beasts--madara will revive the juubi monster "owning" the moon and giving the life back to the monster once defeated by the so6p.
the heretical is statue is by far nagato's summoning remnant--a powerful one. but looking at it simply tells me, it isn't the ten tailed beast's body.
what you say alkad?...just my opinion
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hi i just regristrated today but i know alot about naruto
. anyway if you look at gedo mazo it loks alot like the hachibi so maybe it is ten tails reduced form. and maybe those nine eyes will turn in to tomoe when it gets hachibi and kyubi, as we've seen every tim it gets another tailed beast each one of its eyes open
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You can't until you have 10 posts, but you can leave a url or a manga page/chapter.
I was quite intrigued earlier about a post in regard to Orochimaru's cursed seal and the pattern on the back of Madara's fan. Madara has said many times, in disgust I might add, that he is angered by how much Orochimaru knew about him. I really think that Oro derived that curse mark from knowledge he gained about Madara. We know he got the curse mark's power from Jugo but it seems his research had a big part in it too, much of which can be attributed to Madara and his dealings. Maybe that pattern has more secrets to be discovered and Oro simply copied it. The fact that the pattern so closely resembles the Sharingan must mean it has origins with the Sharingan itself, and seeing it on Madara's fan is pretty good proof of that.
In regard to the Gedo Mazo/ Jubi, I think it was made pretty clear that the moon was created largely from the Jubi's body. Using what we saw in the final stages of God realm vs. eight tailed naruto fight, we know he used that 'planetary devastation' technique to attract larges masses of earth to a single point, pulling Naruto in with it. It is clear to me that the moon is primarily earth material with the Jubi body contained in the center. Thus I do not think that Gedo Mazo is actually the Jubi's body.
However, I really think that the Gedo Mazo is quite unique and important. Remember in 512 we see the statue again:
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Here we see it is actually connected to the giant lotus flower spawned from the First Hokage's DNA:
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Therefore I think, as some may have implied in the past, that the Gedo Mazo is simply a wood manipulation creation that is largely based on the Ten-tail's form, and as Nagato2 pointed out, it is very likely that once the gedo mazo acquires all the tailed beasts, it's 9 seperate eyes will turn into the 9 tome rinnegan pattern. Again, I think that the Gedo Mazo is basically a copy or interpreted copy of the Ten-tails body as Madara sees it, created from the 1st's DNA. Its primary function is probably to replace the Jubi's body since madara can't actually gain access to it. Perhaps he created it in hopes that it will be an adequate median to contain the Jubi's full power and he is under the assumption that it will be adequate.
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