[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 516 Discussion and 517 Predictions

[jabznaruto]

jabz...i dont know where to start man.
most of what youve asked of me, ive already explained in this thread and in the previous one. i liked your post. many things to discuss.
i think you should try to look at things more objectively, though.
look for the simplest, most reasonable answer.
like regarding the 3rd and edo tensei.
and kabuto's standing in the narutoverse.
of course its all just opinion in the end...

i guess i know where to start man. i have to apologize.
i could have been subjective in my posts, im just trying to let you understand that it is my right and authority as well..much as yours.
yeah, you are closer to the meaning as i could express, thats fine, that's how manga is supposed to be. just don't discount the deeper ones, or the possible remote ones, which by far tickle imagination. man. our kishi is a shrewd creator. all answers are reasonable if explained enough to be understood.
i don't really mean to hurt your feelings my friend. sometimes friends quarrel. i can see your sensitive side now. but i liked your insensitive side more. your LOVE for words and play of semantics are great man. i don't even think of coherence. hell yeah...you got it...these are all our "own" opinions after all.

however, we are trying to correctly interpret kishimotos naruto world.
surely there is a correct interpretation that closely resembles kishi's intent with his creation. we can be FAR off, or we can be really CLOSE.
i try to get as close as possible, so that i can get the fullest enjoyment from his creation. misinterpreting parts of the story will lead you away from his meanings and stop you from being able to understand what he is trying to convey.

..be free man. let others be free too. help others, junk others. but know that you can't please everyone. i don't even have to write this..kishi leave this to us...readers

and on a side note. i really miss silenceofthelambs...
hes posted very little in this thread... 2x i think?
i wonder if i bummed him out?

..are you back to your old self?

i think im done here.

...oh no man...don't go. i envy the time you spend in this great forum. it is simply your avatar's name. it is the essence that you don't go my friend.
what happened to "never give up" attitude? oh no..oh no!

well what i mean is, ive been filled with the desire to puke by these mindless fools.
and that i will now be ignoring any posts from nazis, idiots, morons, retards, and anyone else who shows that they have less than half a brain.

i will most likely still read everyones posts here because I like some of the input, but i will no longer try to help people understand. if i see someone make a post about something in naruto and they are completely misunderstanding it. i am NOT going to try and help them.

i will most likely continue to make my own posts about things i find interesting, however. since to not do that, would be to let them get the better of me. and i wont allow them to ruin my desire to post on here and interact with some of the normal people on here. naruto is probably my favorite story i've heard in my life, and i'm really into it. this is a sort of outlet for that. and having to sift through these posts by clowns is troublesome and makes me want to reach out to help them. but its clear that some people only see what they want, regardless of the truth shown them. surely i already knew this, but sometimes it still takes me by surprise.

in closing, i think i've learned another valuable lesson here today.

floydical, it was just something that stood out to me.
had they taken the body, things could have turned out differently.
and my understanding of the naruto ninja world tells me that they should have.
thats all. i love that scene and what we learned, but it felt a little wrong to me.

death eagle, im glad you joined man. if you were the only one here who enjoyed my posts it would still mean something to me. and i love your idea about zetsu and madara. he could have created zetsu from the hashirama cells using izangi. thats brilliant. his own twisted/dark version of the 1st hokage. there only to do his bidding. who knows?

ahava shinobi, i like your interpretation about sasori and kabuto.
i had partly forgotten about their relationship since it was never made into a big deal. i wonder if sasori recognizes kabuto? i mean surely he does... and maybe thats why hes so upset like you said. "..that ragged fool" insinuating that he thinks of kabuto the way jabz does. "youre a nobody compared to us, why are you running the show?" kind of feeling. i picked up on that quote too, but didnt think about it in regards to their history. nicely done.

glad to see some new faces. welcome to the base!

HEH...GREAT MAN...YOU ARE BACK !!! YOU ARE BACK !!! HATS OFF MY FRIEND.
yes you can ignore me...more than anyone else. but just glad to see you are back.

yeah my friend, this truly is sincere...im sorry for my negative posts against yours.
i might be talking to myself man, but i really believe i have to do this.
welcome back my friend....
and lastly...i still do want to let you know i dislike kabuto as a character...this is just me man...just me

 

[Sennin Jinchuuriki]

The war is going to start but we still don't know who is/will be the main villain. Is it Madara or the new guy Kabuto?? I really don't think that Sasuke will be the main villain he will try to fulfill his goals he doesn't want to rule the world but crush Konoha. Before Kabuto's re-entry I thought that Sasuke will get rid of Madara just like he did to Oro but Madara knows that Sasuke is a threat but still he was making Sasuke strong, that made me realize that Madara has a trump card which can ensure him of victory even if Sasuke has EMS. But now with Kabuto in the mix its really looking very complicated.

 

[Floydical]

floydical, it was just something that stood out to me.
had they taken the body, things could have turned out differently.
and my understanding of the naruto ninja world tells me that they should have.
thats all. i love that scene and what we learned, but it felt a little wrong to me.

I understand your point and you're right, it does seem wrong. It just seems to me that Kishi thought that was the best opportunity to teach us something very important about Zetsu before the war started. I guess the fact that it wasn't Leaf shinobi that killed him, he expected us to not focus as much on the body being left behind.

 

[Aresfour]

imagine if fag'buto used impure resurrection on Jairaya AND Oroachimaru.. instead, he used it on ninjas like Zabuza and and his girly looking friend. my opinion is this Kabuto guy is so irritating, i dont like how he is suddenly becoming so wtf-pwnage. id rather see Oroachimaru trying to shceme his way up to Tobi's side instead of that white haired Naruto wannabe youngling who looks like a ugly snake named Kabuto. i wanna see Sauske wtf-1-hit-eye-slap him to death for summoning Itachi to be used like that.

 

[Team 7]

Anyone who knows where the Mizukage is?
She isn't apparently staying with the Kages, or did i miss something?

 

[freddie12]

Prediction:

Naruto will beat sasuke.
Naruto has 100 the chakra lvls of kakashi, who is on hokage standard. Sasuke cra*ped out all his chakra with 1 kawarimi, lol.

Also, we know 3 things:

Naruto can give his chakra to other people.
Kakashi can teleport about 10m squared of mass into other dimensions.
Zetsu covers approx. 50x50x200 cm squared.
= naruto gives kakashi his chakra, kakashis chakra x 100, teleports 1000 square meters/zetsus away, 1/10 of madaras army gone.

Kabuto is oro.
i dont think kishi would let 1 of his major villains be killed by a 16 year old git and never have him return.

Naruto can give his chakra to other people.
Kakashi can teleport about 10m squared of mass into other dimensions.
Zetsu covers approx. 50x50x200 cm squared.
= naruto gives kakashi his chakra, kakashis chakra x 100, teleports 1000 square meters/zetsus away, 1/10 of madaras army gone.

Now that i think about it, wouldnt that be a wonderful way of getting rid of all these "unbeatable" edo tensei ressurections?

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[SLaYeRZ]

NIce chapter plus gaara's speech was way aawesome.

 

[Studmuffin]

So is it just me that finds it a little wierd that zetsu still calls him tobi?????

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[Lightning Shadow]

Naruto Manga is getting better and better I Wonder what will happen in the Next Chapter

 

[freddie12]

Uh, could it be that there are 6 members online and nobody has posted anything for like almost 2 hours?

 

[Scorps]

i think im done here.

Dude, don't get fed up with the forum. Remember that people here are from all ages, all languages, all backgrounds, etc. Some don't get a real grasp of the manga or don't simply understand things. Ignore. But please, don't make us miss your posts. There are very little decent "thinkers" here in the forum, and you're one of them.

As for the current situation on the manga, kabuto's edo tensei is a major debate issue as well as zetsu. Just hope that kishi can make they're explanations plausible and believable. IF he can't, then it's confirmed: the manga is losing dept. One of the things that keeps so many people clinched in this manga is it's dept and the fact that things are always connected and clear and logical in they're own way. But it seems to be turning... I mean, kisame's whole battle was...forced and...not natural... Why would they let him kill himself? of why didn't they simply catch him? there was bee, naruto, yamato and the others and yet it seemed a little like...amateurs... And bee and raikage leaving the corpse behind or the tchuchikage not telling anything about the edo tensei...kishi maybe needs to pause himself...he seems out of ideas...but that's just my opinion...

 

[The Peaceful Warrior]

Spoiler

well what i mean is, ive been filled with the desire to puke by these mindless fools.
and that i will now be ignoring any posts from nazis, idiots, morons, retards, and anyone else who shows that they have less than half a brain.

i will most likely still read everyones posts here because I like some of the input, but i will no longer try to help people understand. if i see someone make a post about something in naruto and they are completely misunderstanding it. i am NOT going to try and help them.

i will most likely continue to make my own posts about things i find interesting, however. since to not do that, would be to let them get the better of me. and i wont allow them to ruin my desire to post on here and interact with some of the normal people on here. naruto is probably my favorite story i've heard in my life, and i'm really into it. this is a sort of outlet for that. and having to sift through these posts by clowns is troublesome and makes me want to reach out to help them. but its clear that some people only see what they want, regardless of the truth shown them. surely i already knew this, but sometimes it still takes me by surprise.

in closing, i think i've learned another valuable lesson here today.

floydical, it was just something that stood out to me.
had they taken the body, things could have turned out differently.
and my understanding of the naruto ninja world tells me that they should have.
thats all. i love that scene and what we learned, but it felt a little wrong to me.

death eagle, im glad you joined man. if you were the only one here who enjoyed my posts it would still mean something to me. and i love your idea about zetsu and madara. he could have created zetsu from the hashirama cells using izangi. thats brilliant. his own twisted/dark version of the 1st hokage. there only to do his bidding. who knows?

ahava shinobi, i like your interpretation about sasori and kabuto.
i had partly forgotten about their relationship since it was never made into a big deal. i wonder if sasori recognizes kabuto? i mean surely he does... and maybe thats why hes so upset like you said. "..that ragged fool" insinuating that he thinks of kabuto the way jabz does. "youre a nobody compared to us, why are you running the show?" kind of feeling. i picked up on that quote too, but didnt think about it in regards to their history. nicely done.

glad to see some new faces. welcome to the base!

ohh thank god, thougth you're were leaving the nb forums for good, im glad to have you back, since i realy enjoy your post's, you're one of the few people on here that I take my time to read post's from, since you got some great theorys and have some very inteligent inputs to others theorys

all in all glad you stayd with us

 

[Migualon J.J.]

Hi i´m new. and i just wanna say my predictions what will happen, who will die and etc.
1) i guess sasuke will kill kabuto for using itachi´s body.

2) Madara will get killer bee (hachibi) for himself.

3) from kages will die raikage (when trying to protect bee), tsunade (she will use her super technigue too much), and gaara (trying to protect naruto)

4) i think dead bodies will be paired in fight like this:
asuma x shikamaru (shikamaru will win)
hizashi (not sure if spelled right) x neji + hinata (hinata and neji win)
4th mizukage vs 5th mizukage
zabuza vs chojiro
kimimaro vs rock lee (rematch)
sasori vs kankuro
sai´s brother vs sai

5) when in manga 490 page 3 kabuto shows madara 6th summoned person i think it was sage of the six paths

6) from naruto´s generation will die:
choji, shino, akamaru (not kiba, only akamaru), sai, rock lee and kankuro

7) people were talking a lot about what bee said to naruto in
manga 516 page 15 about final part, personally i think it´s not training but about war

8) this is to choosing divisions in shinobi army, what in the world is lee and guy doing in midrange/shortrange division? lee can use ONLY taijutsu he should be in division with neji and hinata (same for guy), and choji in longrange division? that is REALLY weird (1 logic think is for combo with shikamaru, but still)

THANKS EVERYONE WHO WILL READ THIS

 

[freddie12]

hey, howabout this:

kabuto kills anko and uses her cells to bring back oro. It has something to do with her having snake utsus.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

i just read manga 516 again and noticed something. at page 4 that thing on madara´s back has orochimaru´s cursed seal (one that anko has and sasuke had, i think it´s heaven´s seal), i would like to know why he has it.
any sugestions?

 

[freddie12]

Hi, Migualon12!
heres my opinion:

i guess sasuke will kill kabuto for using itachi´s body.

ditto.

Madara will get killer bee (hachibi) for himself.

possible

from kages will die raikage (when trying to protect bee), tsunade (she will use her super technigue too much), and gaara (trying to protect naruto)

possible, what is tsunades super jutsu?

i think dead bodies will be paired in fight like this:
asuma x shikamaru (shikamaru will win)
hizashi (not sure if spelled right) x neji + hinata (hinata and neji win)
4th mizukage vs 5th mizukage
zabuza vs chojiro
kimimaro vs rock lee (rematch)
sasori vs kankuro
sai´s brother vs sai

possible, but wheres sais brother? I think u mean tsunades boyfriend dan. zabuza will fight kakashi

when in manga 490 page 3 kabuto shows madara 6th summoned person i think it was sage of the six paths

If kabuto has the rikudo, he would not need madara as an ally! he would be strong enough on his own.

kabuto didn´t summon shinobis like kisame, jiraya, etc. cause maybe they got too much chakra (only sugestion), he didn´t summon orochimaru cause he is actually orochimaru (another sugestion)

Orochimaru is sealed in a sword, kisames death is unknown to him, since he only died a few hours/ days ago, and how do you know jiraya hasn't been summoned?

from naruto´s generation will die:
choji, shino, akamaru (not kiba, only akamaru), sai, rock lee and kankuro

I dont think they will die, after saying all that about the will of fire being passed on from the old generation to the new generation and having half of the new generatin die would make no sense on kishis side.

people were talking a lot about what bee said to naruto in
manga 516 page 15 about final part, personally i think it´s not training but about war

maybe.

this is to choosing divisions in shinobi army, what in the world is lee and guy doing in midrange/shortrange division? lee can use ONLY taijutsu he should be in division with neji and hinata (same for guy), and choji in longrange division? that is REALLY weird (1 logic think is for combo with shikamaru, but still)

you did more thinking on that one than i did!

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[Migualon J.J.]

by tsunade´s jutsu i mean rapid regeneration ability used with katsuyu (same thing she did to protect people from konoha when pain destroyed village),

sai´s brother is in manga 516 page 4 (guy from root),

that with kabuto being orochimaru was meant that he has his dna so that´s why he can´t summon him.

he knows about kisame (manga 511 page 17, i think they guessed that kisame is dead)

good point with jiraya and sage of six paths (2nd guess is it´s madara´s brother)

 

[Ahava Shinobi]

ahava shinobi, i like your interpretation about sasori and kabuto.
i had partly forgotten about their relationship since it was never made into a big deal. i wonder if sasori recognizes kabuto? i mean surely he does... and maybe thats why hes so upset like you said. "..that ragged fool" insinuating that he thinks of kabuto the way jabz does. "youre a nobody compared to us, why are you running the show?" kind of feeling. i picked up on that quote too, but didnt think about it in regards to their history. nicely done.

glad to see some new faces. welcome to the base!

Thanks, Omningan! When I first read the chapter, I was thinking along those lines too, that Sasori made that comment because he didn't think someone like Kabuto should be in charge. I still feel like there should have been something more there. It's such a change of command (Kabuto was Sasori's subordinate and now Sasori is pretty much just his puppet), that it's strange that neither of them commented on it.

 

[danivass]

Okay, now my theory about Zetsu:
Madara wants to be the sage of the six paths, or at least someone in his rank. Maybe when he read the tablet and realised the two brothers are two halves of the sage he gave up one of his eyes to try and recreate the sage from his and Hashi's DNA's, only make him his subordinate. But it did not work out so well as there are 2 halves to Zetsu and, apparently one is only with Hashi's cells, maybe the other has only his cells. So now he is probably trying to unite all the paths into himself in order to become the sage in that way instead.

Before anyone says this and decides to never read a post in here again, but starts a flaming discussion, I want to say that Madara has to keep the Gedo Mazo out of the war. It will be a HUGE liability as if the ninjas realize what it holds inside (the bijuus) they will focus their attacks on it. Furthermore, there is plenty of evidence that it is the actual body of the ten-tailed beast (if anyone wishes just tell me and I'll elaborate on that, but I have stated it in previous topics).

Now, about Anko I think Kabuto will reveal something crucial to her if Madara does not oversee their fight. I would not say that Kabuto does not have any more summons, but perhaps he can not afford to use them too, as his control will be broken and some of the edo tensei'd will be free. Maybe when some of them are defeated he'll reveal a few more (not that many, though). I think that the other requirement for Edo tensei is for the user to know what the summoned person looked like (just before he died probably). That would be the most sensible downside to add to the jutsu, wouldn't everyone agree?

 

[freddie12]

Just because madara has a weird haircut he isnt immediately tobi. After all, would you run around with the same haircut as a wanted villain? Besides look at the figure on the very right of page 18 in chapter 238. Could that be him?