[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 516 Discussion and 517 Predictions
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edwardthedaddy
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Keep in mind that after Nagato was defeated, Madara said he needed someone else to sync Gedo Mazo with (ie Sasuke). To me, this means that like how he gave Nagato the rinnegan, he also synced Nagato's kekei genkei with the creature. I think it is entirely possible that Nagato knew absolutely nothing about this and simply believed the ability to summon it was always within his ability. I still think the Gedo Mazo was made by Madara, in the ten-tails likeness, and the actual body is still in the Moon.
I also believe that those stumps on the Gedo Mazo are not actually its tails. I would assume that once the Jubi's chakra has been restored within the statue, the tails will form. As danivass pointed out in his images, those same stumps seem to be present on the Jubi's body, separate from its tails:
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i found what madara said about linking sasuke with gedo mzo kind of strange either ems can sync with it or madaras just saving the other rinnegan for sasuke when he's more cooperative.and if you look at gedo mazo on naruto wiki it proves those stumps aren't tails because there are over ten
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toadsage4eva
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hey new as a member, but long time Naruto manga reader.
great speech by Gara,
get ready to see rematches of some of the greatest fights, and sadly I feel Asuma will face up against shikamaru
As for the coffin that has Madara shaking in his boots. Dose anyone think it may be the body of the actual Madara,and the Madara we all know and love is actually an impostor of some sort. There are way too many variables out there to be completely sure Madara is Madara, if Tobi is even in the equation or perhaps only vessel for Madara to live through similar to how Orochimaru had to move from body to body to stay young and alive.
great speech by Gara,
get ready to see rematches of some of the greatest fights, and sadly I feel Asuma will face up against shikamaru
As for the coffin that has Madara shaking in his boots. Dose anyone think it may be the body of the actual Madara,and the Madara we all know and love is actually an impostor of some sort. There are way too many variables out there to be completely sure Madara is Madara, if Tobi is even in the equation or perhaps only vessel for Madara to live through similar to how Orochimaru had to move from body to body to stay young and alive.
jabznaruto
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yo dude! i got a new lease in manga life. i could prolong this a long as perhaps our wait to know more about madara.
this is madara. he is an evil guy. he lurks in the dark. he prowls more dangerously than any serpent our minds can conceive. and with the hell of "patience" to strike when our heroes are deep asleep to give them their nightmares.
..just imagine the dark son of the so6p...deadly and hellish fearsome.
we got to wait dude..we got to wait till kishi dishes this true madara unto us.
again, i invite you to be patient as well. the manga is good for a lifetime.
..in short...A "DIVERSION" dude, a diversion. here, we all know madara left the leaf to live a recluse life. he loved to live alone, he hated company that until now...HE IS A ONE MAN ARMY.
...and zetsu is the clear creation where we can conclude that this evil in madara is seclusive.
..yes, madara entertained kabuto as ally for a while. and madara is still hiding his preposterous powers to rely on "an equally" deadly group of summons from kabuto.
...but no mistaking it, he will vanquish kabuto soon enough because he does not wish to share the gore and gruesome hate he "hyperbolically" enjoy.
here...all shinobi alliance have to do is be a "lee" or moreso a "gai" who expertly rely on taijutsu. the shinobis would be in grave danger to use their chakra. the zetsu who could infiltrate without difficulty could easily suck their chakras until they are done. this is the reason why i said "that an average shinobi will do against a zetsu". i think you got this as well.
..madara showed us an instance before that the zetsus are not frontline fighters. remember when sasuke was done with danzo and Naruto got to face him after that, zetsu saved sasuke from a rib breaking thud after the chidori and rasengan clash. then zetsu suggested to capture Naruto. but madara declined his request.
..and how would zetsu do that capture if not for "draining" Naruto out of chakra?...does this make sense dude?
your guess is similar to my guess dude...and i think it is what it is now unless someone else gives us reinforcements. powowwww
Ikari Shinji Kun
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i think at this point in the Manga it's near impossible to predict what Kishi has in store for us
jabznaruto
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I think that the zetsu get all the abilities of the person when he touches them, but doesn't necessarily know how to use them. If he copied naruto, he'd get everything except the kyubi, rasen shuriken, senjutsu, multiple shadow clones, rasengan. That's because naruto's techniques are very hard. Zetsu probably doesn't copy the chakra amount (it would defy the laws of physics), only the appearance of both chakra and body. Still, zetsu could probably learn rasengan if he wanted to, and use it with naruto's body.
Which leads me to the question: did Zetsu train with hashirama's powers? Can he use wood element effectively? A hashirama with no control over his powers is quite useless. I'm sure zetsu can do better than that, it's WAR.
I would have loved to see madara train zetsu to use hashirama's powers.
Plus, a sharingan would help zetsu a lot when fighting other one that he may copy. Would anyone be defeated by a "dead" copy of them?
He can easily drain other shinobi's chakra. I'm wondering if that would work now on naruto... he has senjutsu to protect himself
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Sounds good to me. But I'm pretty sure the moon is what everyone thinks it is, but with the jubi's body at its core. Just like what nagato did to the kyubi, but bigger.
[QUOTE: jabznaruto, quoted scorps]
I think that the zetsu get all the abilities of the person when he touches them, but doesn't necessarily know how to use them. If he copied naruto, he'd get everything except the kyubi, rasen shuriken, senjutsu, multiple shadow clones, rasengan. That's because naruto's techniques are very hard. Zetsu probably doesn't copy the chakra amount (it would defy the laws of physics
), only the appearance of both chakra and body. Still, zetsu could probably learn rasengan if he wanted to, and use it with naruto's body.Which leads me to the question: did Zetsu train with hashirama's powers? Can he use wood element effectively? A hashirama with no control over his powers is quite useless. I'm sure zetsu can do better than that, it's WAR.
I would have loved to see madara train zetsu to use hashirama's powers.
Plus, a sharingan would help zetsu a lot when fighting other one that he may copy. Would anyone be defeated by a "dead" copy of them?
He can easily drain other shinobi's chakra. I'm wondering if that would work now on naruto... he has senjutsu to protect himself
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My thoughts exactly. But trying to predict can still be fun.
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Ikari Shinji Kun
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predicting is still great fun, no matter how far off we are,it's always great to red everyone's opinions too. Imo, Kabuto or Zetsu will be the final villain. Madara seems to have come into action and revealed everything to early to stay right 'til the end. but thats just my opinion
snake orochimaru
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hello everyone! it's been a long time since I last posted something here. I've been reading randomly some posts because there are too many. first is first: hello to my friend jabz!!! waiting to hear from you and engage in some discutions. now let's get down to business.
I have a question: what's that sign on the byakugan's user forehead?O.O just kidding!! a lot of discussions about the souls of 1-4 hokages...just let them rest in the gastric acid of the reaper.
statue=juubi body....I doubt that it's the case. from what I recall, this statue was summoned by nagato when he screwed hanzo's fighters taking their souls. we remember that so6p separated the chakra from the body of the juubi. so if nagato would've summoned juubi's body, it would've been a mere inert body with no chakra because it needs the tailed beasts to "work"(nagato didn't had them). and from what we saw, that thing that nagato summoned was active. if you combine this facts---->the statue isn't juubi's body. cheers!!
I have a question: what's that sign on the byakugan's user forehead?O.O just kidding!!
a lot of discussions about the souls of 1-4 hokages...just let them rest in the gastric acid of the reaper. statue=juubi body....I doubt that it's the case. from what I recall, this statue was summoned by nagato when he screwed hanzo's fighters taking their souls. we remember that so6p separated the chakra from the body of the juubi. so if nagato would've summoned juubi's body, it would've been a mere inert body with no chakra because it needs the tailed beasts to "work"(nagato didn't had them). and from what we saw, that thing that nagato summoned was active. if you combine this facts---->the statue isn't juubi's body. cheers!!
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Sennin Jinchuuriki
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I think the first two or three chapters of the war if Kishi shows it in detail will be slow. Real slow most probably after three or four chapters the real fun will start.
jabznaruto
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Good lord! you have a beautiful mind alkad. you explained what i seek in 2 sentences!!! our avatars perhaps are deceiving us and the others.
let me explain your ideas my way and you are free to add, revise, criticize or paraphrase them the way you like them (for the sake of those who follow your posts re this topic).
here i go...
But I'm pretty sure the moon is what everyone thinks it is, but with the jubi's body at its core. -- this is what you said:
...yeah, the moon is the moon as it is, circline and powerful. to think that the juubi is at the core -- is simply deeeeep. never thought of the diameter or the massive size and elemental constitutions whatsoever are involved. and given the power of "gravity"...it would really take a ten-tailed combination powers to bore through the center. and ingesting physics???... man, you just hit the gist of where the body of the juubi is right now in this manga.
then...
Just like what nagato did to the kyubi, but bigger. -- yeah, nagato admitted this...that the so6p is a lot more powerful than him. nagato failed to incarcerate an 8-tailed kyuubi. we just can't imagine what kind of power that radiates out of the juubi's body that even the last so6p considered creating the moon with it. alkad ---yo the mannnn!!!
...just to add "madara's moon eye plan",,,,madara is f***ing ambitious to control this monster again!!! oh man,,,very devilish.
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I think that the zetsu get all the abilities of the person when he touches them, but doesn't necessarily know how to use them. If he copied naruto, he'd get everything except the kyubi, rasen shuriken, senjutsu, multiple shadow clones, rasengan. That's because naruto's techniques are very hard. Zetsu probably doesn't copy the chakra amount (it would defy the laws of physics
), only the appearance of both chakra and body. Still, zetsu could probably learn rasengan if he wanted to, and use it with naruto's body.Which leads me to the question: did Zetsu train with hashirama's powers? Can he use wood element effectively? A hashirama with no control over his powers is quite useless. I'm sure zetsu can do better than that, it's WAR.
I would have loved to see madara train zetsu to use hashirama's powers.
Plus, a sharingan would help zetsu a lot when fighting other one that he may copy. Would anyone be defeated by a "dead" copy of them?
He can easily drain other shinobi's chakra. I'm wondering if that would work now on naruto... he has senjutsu to protect himself
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yo dude scorps!!! we got reinforcements!!!
just that, say if both of us are members of the shinobi alliance (as i know we root for them to have the upper hand) we will be devastated in the battlefield. just read how our guy here alkad opined re "zetsus". man, i shiver in fear to know this thoughts as an average shinobi. and adding the fact that kabuto upgraded zetsu. zetsu is now no longer the "swatted" into- half-by the kages during the meeting...but zetsu with additional "unknown" mokuton powers.
good lord alkad...where have you been all this time?!!!
but...you definite hit the jackpot "that the 100k zetsus won't be able to suck and drain a sage mode Naruto out of chakra." zetsu-stones they will be called --that is.
beautiful...beautiful
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jabznaruto
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...goddammmmit snake oro...where have you been my friend???hello everyone! it's been a long time since I last posted something here. I've been reading randomly some posts because there are too many. first is first: hello to my friend jabz!!! waiting to hear from you and engage in some discutions. now let's get down to business.
I have a question: what's that sign on the byakugan's user forehead?O.O just kidding!!
statue=juubi body....I doubt that it's the case. from what I recall, this statue was summoned by nagato when he screwed hanzo's fighters taking their souls. we remember that so6p separated the chakra from the body of the juubi. so if nagato would've summoned juubi's body, it would've been a mere inert body with no chakra because it needs the tailed beasts to "work"(nagato didn't had them). and from what we saw, that thing that nagato summoned was active. if you combine this facts---->the statue isn't juubi's body. cheers!!
can't say enough greetings to "WELCOME YOU BACK"!!!
WELLLL, lets get down to business...
...it had been your "JUUBI" that we been discussing for a while...
...hope you brought brasov-romania with you now!!!
impress me my friend!!! i can let anybody rob you of this topic now that you are here(just kidding my friend).
...just tell me where you have been...missed your posts man...
...am truly glad you are back!!!
***mods, please permit combo, just for now...thanks!!!
LOL LOL MAN, YOU ARE BACK. LET US ROCK THE BASE SNAKE ORO...I was very busy jabz...I barely had time to read a few posts on the forum. I thought at something after I read that zetsu-stones idea: imagine 100k zetsus reacting at that so6p mode and turning into trees or bushes!
...but got to eat dinner...
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snake orochimaru
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I was very busy jabz...I barely had time to read a few posts on the forum. I thought at something after I read that zetsu-stones idea: imagine 100k zetsus reacting at that so6p mode and turning into trees or bushes! madara would have a lot of wood for barbecue....or a very great place for sh*t*ing (probably himself if this would happen).
madara would have a lot of wood for barbecue....or a very great place for sh*t*ing (probably himself if this would happen).
Tsunade Senju
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I think she was busy evacuating her people since the alliance anticipated that the enemies will march right through her country, the hidden mist.
But hopefully, we wouldn't be surprised that she's on madara's side.
) *wild imagination. lol.
Yukimaru Yoshi
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Ok time to spice things up on this forum O.O Reply to snake oro, do you really think madara could get the jubi body from the moon? lol madara did say it was sealed within the moon, and I do agree its sealed within the center where gravity is at its strongest, but how the hell is madara getting to the moon? somebody call NASA lol xd...but seriously all jokes aside heres my question
How is he going to get there? possible space time jutsu? or is he going there at all?
How is he going to release the body once hes there? If the so6p created that moon with that jutsu, how can madara undo it with just one rinnegan?
Heres my little theory, Lets assume the moon in the manga is just like the
moon today. If we considered its our moon, then that means theres a point
in the moons cycle where the power of the jubi is the closes to the earth
which is known as perigee. When the moon cylces around the earth and
reaches perigee, the moon influences things on earth..now lets assume,
when the moon in naruto reaches that point, we can assume this is the
strongest part of when the jubi live force energy has the strongest affect on
the tailed beast.. Also to add, the jubi's life force should leak out more and
more due to the constant impact that the moon receives from other space
debris. If madara gets control of all 9 tailed beast, maybe hes waiting for the
perigee phase of the moon to revive the jubi. Let me know what you guys
thinkJubi's eye theory.
If we look at the jubi's eye we can see the combination of sharigan, rinnegan
and most likely byakugan. When we first got introduce to the sharigan, we
were told that it was developed from the byakugan over time. If thats true
then How can the jubi have the sharigan tomoe centures ago before the
series even started? There a loop hole some where.. Heres my theory
the sharigan and byakugan was always once one dojutsu, The sharigan and
byakugan came from the jubi. When the jubi was made into a jinchuuriki and
then later split its life force into the to sons of the rikudou and the 9 tailed
beast, the sharigan and byakugan where also split from one another. The
byakugan,sharigan, and rinnegan went to the oldest son while the life force
of the rikudou and partial life force of the jubi went to the younger son this
would explain how the senju clan can control the 9 previous biju's. Getting
back on point, while the older son had all 3 dojutsu's, the sharigan's DNA had
layed dormant due to its nature (sharigan will activate when the user is in
danger etc) but due to the fact the oldest son never experience any danger
the sharigan layed dormant until now. This would explain how the 3 dojutsu
came about. Rinnegan came from Rikudou while the sharigan and byakugan
where originally one dojutsu which came from the jubi itself. Hope you guys
How is he going to get there? possible space time jutsu? or is he going there at all?
How is he going to release the body once hes there? If the so6p created that moon with that jutsu, how can madara undo it with just one rinnegan?
Heres my little theory, Lets assume the moon in the manga is just like the
moon today. If we considered its our moon, then that means theres a point
in the moons cycle where the power of the jubi is the closes to the earth
which is known as perigee. When the moon cylces around the earth and
reaches perigee, the moon influences things on earth..now lets assume,
when the moon in naruto reaches that point, we can assume this is the
strongest part of when the jubi live force energy has the strongest affect on
the tailed beast.. Also to add, the jubi's life force should leak out more and
more due to the constant impact that the moon receives from other space
debris. If madara gets control of all 9 tailed beast, maybe hes waiting for the
perigee phase of the moon to revive the jubi. Let me know what you guys
think
Jubi's eye theory. If we look at the jubi's eye we can see the combination of sharigan, rinnegan
and most likely byakugan. When we first got introduce to the sharigan, we
were told that it was developed from the byakugan over time. If thats true
then How can the jubi have the sharigan tomoe centures ago before the
series even started? There a loop hole some where.. Heres my theory
the sharigan and byakugan was always once one dojutsu, The sharigan and
byakugan came from the jubi. When the jubi was made into a jinchuuriki and
then later split its life force into the to sons of the rikudou and the 9 tailed
beast, the sharigan and byakugan where also split from one another. The
byakugan,sharigan, and rinnegan went to the oldest son while the life force
of the rikudou and partial life force of the jubi went to the younger son this
would explain how the senju clan can control the 9 previous biju's. Getting
back on point, while the older son had all 3 dojutsu's, the sharigan's DNA had
layed dormant due to its nature (sharigan will activate when the user is in
danger etc) but due to the fact the oldest son never experience any danger
the sharigan layed dormant until now. This would explain how the 3 dojutsu
came about. Rinnegan came from Rikudou while the sharigan and byakugan
where originally one dojutsu which came from the jubi itself. Hope you guys
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heh, blushingGood lord! you have a beautiful mind alkad. you explained what i seek in 2 sentences!!! our avatars perhaps are deceiving us and the others.
let me explain your ideas my way and you are free to add, revise, criticize or paraphrase them the way you like them (for the sake of those who follow your posts re this topic).
here i go...
But I'm pretty sure the moon is what everyone thinks it is, but with the jubi's body at its core. -- this is what you said:
...yeah, the moon is the moon as it is, circline and powerful. to think that the juubi is at the core -- is simply deeeeep. never thought of the diameter or the massive size and elemental constitutions whatsoever are involved. and given the power of "gravity"...it would really take a ten-tailed combination powers to bore through the center. and ingesting physics???... man, you just hit the gist of where the body of the juubi is right now in this manga.
then...
Just like what nagato did to the kyubi, but bigger. -- yeah, nagato admitted this...that the so6p is a lot more powerful than him. nagato failed to incarcerate an 8-tailed kyuubi. we just can't imagine what kind of power that radiates out of the juubi's body that even the last so6p considered creating the moon with it. alkad ---yo the mannnn!!!
...just to add "madara's moon eye plan",,,,madara is f***ing ambitious to control this monster again!!! oh man,,,very devilish.
[QUOTE by Alkad][/QUOTE by Alkad]I think that the zetsu get all the abilities of the person when he touches them, but doesn't necessarily know how to use them. If he copied naruto, he'd get everything except the kyubi, rasen shuriken, senjutsu, multiple shadow clones, rasengan. That's because naruto's techniques are very hard. Zetsu probably doesn't copy the chakra amount (it would defy the laws of physics
Which leads me to the question: did Zetsu train with hashirama's powers? Can he use wood element effectively? A hashirama with no control over his powers is quite useless. I'm sure zetsu can do better than that, it's WAR.
I would have loved to see madara train zetsu to use hashirama's powers.
Plus, a sharingan would help zetsu a lot when fighting other one that he may copy. Would anyone be defeated by a "dead" copy of them?
He can easily drain other shinobi's chakra. I'm wondering if that would work now on naruto... he has senjutsu to protect himself
yo dude scorps!!! we got reinforcements!!!
just that, say if both of us are members of the shinobi alliance (as i know we root for them to have the upper hand) we will be devastated in the battlefield. just read how our guy here alkad opined re "zetsus". man, i shiver in fear to know this thoughts as an average shinobi. and adding the fact that kabuto upgraded zetsu. zetsu is now no longer the "swatted" into- half-by the kages during the meeting...but zetsu with additional "unknown" mokuton powers.
good lord alkad...where have you been all this time?!!!
but...you definite hit the jackpot "that the 100k zetsus won't be able to suck and drain a sage mode Naruto out of chakra." zetsu-stones they will be called --that is.
beautiful...beautiful
About zetsu, I think it's either he will transform (partially maybe) into hashirama, or just use some mysterious powers that involve his dna.
>I'm inclined to think it's the first one.
>>If it weren't like that, madara could have taken the dna from anyone from the senju clan. And he would have remained as powerful as always.
Hashirama only has two powers unique in the senju clan, and maybe around the world:
1. controlling (suppressing?) the biju chakras and
2. the wood element.
Come to think of it, both are valuable in this war.
1. Maybe madara tried to prepare himself for the worst, i.e. naruto and bee coming on the battlefield. So far nobody really knows the extent of hashirama's power. Would it suppress naruto's weird chakra too? I think we'll just have to wait for that one.
2. but only IF zetsu had spent enough time training. It's not like wood release is easy to use. And there's one living person willing and able to help zetsu with that. Madara. Naruto might find a way to counter this jutsu, but that would make him one person responsible for the rest of the alliance - not likely.
3. zetsu appears to have lots of useful and unique abilities. For instance, combining with the flora* to travel around almost instantly. Put that and a lot of wood element and you get a strong army.
* I'm not sure that's the way the ability works, but he should be able to teleport through existing wood.
The kage should probably know by now that he has the ability to absorb chakra. If I were them, I'd think about how to counter something like that, even if zetsu clones aren't involved. At the kage summit, a single zetsu was enough to weaken them. The kage are seriously incompetent if they overlook that fact.
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