[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 516 Discussion and 517 Predictions

[Alkad]

Just because madara has a weird haircut he isnt immediately tobi. After all, would you run around with the same haircut as a wanted villain? Besides look at the figure on the very right of page 18 in chapter 238. Could that be him?

Madara could have got a new haircut just for a new look. don't some people do that?

On the bottom-right picture... that's itachi

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So is it just me that finds it a little wierd that zetsu still calls him tobi?????

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From that I gather that Zetsu didn't know madara before Tobi joined akatsuki. It's probably a habit.

I never believed that zetsu was madara's creation through izanagi. And I don't know exactly what people's opinions are about that theory, but now I'm more confident against it. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Cooldragon]

well what i mean is, ive been filled with the desire to puke by these mindless fools.
and that i will now be ignoring any posts from nazis, idiots, morons, retards, and anyone else who shows that they have less than half a brain.

...That's harsh.:|

 

[Alkad]

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Before anyone says this and decides to never read a post in here again, but starts a flaming discussion, I want to say that Madara has to keep the Gedo Mazo out of the war. It will be a HUGE liability as if the ninjas realize what it holds inside (the bijuus) they will focus their attacks on it. Furthermore, there is plenty of evidence that it is the actual body of the ten-tailed beast (if anyone wishes just tell me and I'll elaborate on that, but I have stated it in previous topics).
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(sorry, but I missed most posts)

where did you see the jubi in the plot? how could nagato summon the jubi (gedo mazo) so freely when the body is sealed in the moon? (before having any plans for the tailed beasts)

And gedo mazo doesn't have 10 tails.. And it has 9 eyes instead of 1.:|

And Madara probably wouldn't waste time and resources to remake the jubi's body (through izanagi) before he collects all the tailed beasts. Izanagi is the only way to create the jubi's body as far as I know.

Maybe that's why he's keeping the other rinnegan, for this particular izanagi. (Or it's just a spare, as we might think)

 

[OopsWrongHole]

i think im done here.

Ah seriously just carry on your good thinking Like Scorps said there is very little decent thinkers here

It only really you, Scorps & SilenceoftheLambs that I enjoy reading what you three have to say because you put decent input instead of the 95% of usual retarded shit that others have wrote.

1. I do not know why people still go on about that sign on Neji Father's head, Who actually cares if it looks like the nazi sign, it is irrelevant to the Narutoworld and quite clearly I do not care for that crap.

2. I really want to know Kabuto motives. We know his after Sasuke but what other motives does he has, is he helping Madara solely so he can get Sasuke because he knows Madara would be able to stop him? I really truly dislike Kabuto with a passion but he... has shocked me the most has a character in the Narutoworld, He went from (in my opinion) a geeky prune who thought he was all that... too actually being all that & being so clever so far that he even forced Madara into a deal.

3. Personally in my opinion The Shinobi Alliance is the wearker of the two armies.

Yes The Shinobi have many strong Ninja's but if the Zetsu copies can still have the ability to copy Ninjas chakras that Zetsu has encountered. Which then could even result in a 100k Itachis. :O

Also not to forget Kabuto Summons, we still not sure of another way how to defeat them at all. I look forward to seeing that.

4. Really lately I just don't have the motivation to type speeches, I just like to see decent predictions & theories.

5. It been discussed countless times but in my opinion the chances of Tobi being Madara is 50-50.

All the evidence shows it is 100% Madara, there is no evidence that I can think of to show that Tobi is not Madara.

The reason why I say 50-50 is because Kishi is known to make sudden twists, Madara still wears his mask, so we can't say for fact ' IT IS 100% MADARA AHHHHHHHHHHHHH ' because we have not seen his face, though it really does seem to be Madara!.

 

[Akatsuki leader]

What if madara Just hungy???

and angy bcz nowhere hotdog hamburger cola and pepsi....
and leaf village and other country dont know this foods.....

like pic:

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[Sharingan Itachi]

Actually I rated this chapter as 4, It did not have any events except of the march that's for sure but those chapters are necessary so that the plot will be more exciting in the future.

 

[jabznaruto]

Dude, don't get fed up with the forum. Remember that people here are from all ages, all languages, all backgrounds, etc. Some don't get a real grasp of the manga or don't simply understand things. Ignore. But please, don't make us miss your posts. There are very little decent "thinkers" here in the forum, and you're one of them.

As for the current situation on the manga, kabuto's edo tensei is a major debate issue as well as zetsu. Just hope that kishi can make they're explanations plausible and believable. IF he can't, then it's confirmed: the manga is losing dept. One of the things that keeps so many people clinched in this manga is it's dept and the fact that things are always connected and clear and logical in they're own way. But it seems to be turning... I mean, kisame's whole battle was...forced and...not natural... Why would they let him kill himself? of why didn't they simply catch him? there was bee, naruto, yamato and the others and yet it seemed a little like...amateurs... And bee and raikage leaving the corpse behind or the tchuchikage not telling anything about the edo tensei...kishi maybe needs to pause himself...he seems out of ideas...but that's just my opinion...

dude,

didn't know why i chose your post to write this...

"if omni won't post again, i will not as well. it is the solidarity i could offer to a great forum friend".

...i also await snake oro to post again, but chapters passed. he didn't.
dude, im in crime to post my ideas that i hurt others.

i really did not wish...to be done here as well.

glad i got to exchange ideas with you all!!!

 

[kyuubinaru]

I wonder if Madara can resurrect all if the akatsuki members with the rennigan like Pain did with all the dead from Konoha. Also, I think Bee is going to train Naruto to go to stage 2 (full Kyuubi) mode. I think Naruto will have to tame the will of the Kyuubi since he sealed it off in his mind. Just a thought.

 

[Alkad]

I wonder if Madara can resurrect all if the akatsuki members with the rennigan like Pain did with all the dead from Konoha. Also, I think Bee is going to train Naruto to go to stage 2 (full Kyuubi) mode. I think Naruto will have to tame the will of the Kyuubi since he sealed it off in his mind. Just a thought.

madara can't resurrect akatsuki members because they died too long ago. And he doesn't have their real bodies.

Bee will probably prepare naruto for war: like telling him the details, moving to a safe place etc. Bee's words suggest that there's no more training, if you consider the situation.

I don't think naruto will go into kyubi mode ever again. The chakra is separate from its mind and body. Now he needs to get it to cooperate. It'll probably be a long time until any of that happens.

 

[Ikari Shinji Kun]

madara can't resurrect akatsuki members because they died too long ago. And he doesn't have their real bodies.

Bee will probably prepare naruto for war: like telling him the details, moving to a safe place etc. Bee's words suggest that there's no more training, if you consider the situation.

I don't think naruto will go into kyubi mode ever again. The chakra is separate from its mind and body. Now he needs to get it to cooperate. It'll probably be a long time until any of that happens.

Or it could come out in a time of need like it normally does. Like in the war, it might speak to naruto, asking for a deal, then naruto might gain control over the kyuubi fully and not just the chakra he sealed off.

 

[Akuhei]

Ah seriously just carry on your good thinking Like Scorps said there is very little decent thinkers here

It only really you, Scorps & SilenceoftheLambs that I enjoy reading what you three have to say because you put decent input instead of the 95% of usual retarded shit that others have wrote.

1. I do not know why people still go on about that sign on Neji Father's head, Who actually cares if it looks like the nazi sign, it is irrelevant to the Narutoworld and quite clearly I do not care for that crap.

2. I really want to know Kabuto motives. We know his after Sasuke but what other motives does he has, is he helping Madara solely so he can get Sasuke because he knows Madara would be able to stop him? I really truly dislike Kabuto with a passion but he... has shocked me the most has a character in the Narutoworld, He went from (in my opinion) a geeky prune who thought he was all that... too actually being all that & being so clever so far that he even forced Madara into a deal.

3. Personally in my opinion The Shinobi Alliance is the wearker of the two armies.

Yes The Shinobi have many strong Ninja's but if the Zetsu copies can still have the ability to copy Ninjas chakras that Zetsu has encountered. Which then could even result in a 100k Itachis. :O

Also not to forget Kabuto Summons, we still not sure of another way how to defeat them at all. I look forward to seeing that.

4. Really lately I just don't have the motivation to type speeches, I just like to see decent predictions & theories.

5. It been discussed countless times but in my opinion the chances of Tobi being Madara is 50-50.

All the evidence shows it is 100% Madara, there is no evidence that I can think of to show that Tobi is not Madara.

The reason why I say 50-50 is because Kishi is known to make sudden twists, Madara still wears his mask, so we can't say for fact ' IT IS 100% MADARA AHHHHHHHHHHHHH ' because we have not seen his face, though it really does seem to be Madara!.

On these topics, I shall make my opinion and theories known, although the points after #1 probably not completely correct... I skimmed and speed-read most of it.

1. For the "swatsika" symbol on the Branch family's head, the symbol was one of great fortune long before the Nazi party of Germany in World War 2. As a matter of fact, the Nazi party chose the swatsika because they hoped they would gain great fortune. There is no correlation between the Nazi swatsika and the Hyuuga family.

2. I'm thinking Kabuto is now actually Orochimaru. Or that at least he's not completely Kabuto any more, in that he is at least partially taken over by Orochimaru's remains. So, he may actually have both a conscious and sub-conscious reason to want Sasuke dead. And Kabuto/Orochimaru may just be pretending to be on Madara's side, only to defeat him and turn him into his/their puppet. Or something to that effect.

3. Remember, the souls are still not completely under Kabuto/Orochimaru's control yet. I'm thinking something will happen that will break his control somewhere in the next few chapters, probably before the real fighting can even start... Which would be very sad. U_U

5. Tobi acted completely different when he exposed himself as Madara, (i.e. he became more serious, stopped making a lot of jokes, anything that made Tobi really loveable, etc.). I think Tobi is insane and has done one of two possible things: gained enough power to become strong enough to be confused with Madara, or he killed Madara himself and took his eyes, allowing Madara to live on in Tobi's body and that Madara causes multiple personality syndrome by occasionally taking over Tobi's body.

These are just some possibilities. I'm not saying any of them are factual, but I definitely think they are plausible.

 

[Alkad]

Or it could come out in a time of need like it normally does. Like in the war, it might speak to naruto, asking for a deal, then naruto might gain control over the kyuubi fully and not just the chakra he sealed off.

I think naruto's power wouldn't increase much by transforming into the kyubi. Right now, naruto has almost all of the kyubi's power/chakra. What is left is some "debris", that the kyubi tried to use to

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naruto right after he stole its chakra. But that isn't much compared to what naruto gained.

Why would it be so useful to transform into the kyubi, compared to what he can do now?

A tailed beast is a real advantage against genjutsu, for example. And that's about it, as far as I know. It's why I think he should cooperate with the kyubi. Anyway, Naruto has a plan,

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. That "wait" tells me that it's going to be a long time until they talk again.

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

I think naruto's power wouldn't increase much by transforming into the kyubi. Right now, naruto has almost all of the kyubi's power/chakra. What is left is some "debris", that the kyubi tried to use to

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naruto right after he stole its chakra. But that isn't much compared to what naruto gained.

Why would it be so useful to transform into the kyubi, compared to what he can do now?

A tailed beast is a real advantage against genjutsu, for example. And that's about it, as far as I know. It's why I think he should cooperate with the kyubi. Anyway, Naruto has a plan,

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. That "wait" tells me that it's going to be a long time until they talk again.

why wouldn't it be useful to transform into full kyuubi is my question? The advantages are size and the amount of power that can be utilized. Because a jinchuuriki isn't the actual bijuu themselves, they are limted to how much of that chakara they can use at one given time due to the stress it puts on the human body. During the manga, we have seen jinchuuriki's transformed into there bijuu's. To list a few, we saw many transformations such as, Gaara vs naruto, nii yugito (2 tails) vs hidan and kakuzu, bee vs sasuke, utakata vs pain. The advantage is sheer power..Hope that helped

 

[Alkad]

why wouldn't it be useful to transform into full kyuubi is my question? The advantages are size and the amount of power that can be utilized. Because a jinchuuriki isn't the actual bijuu themselves, they are limted to how much of that chakara they can use at one given time due to the stress it puts on the human body. During the manga, we have seen jinchuuriki's transformed into there bijuu's. To list a few, we saw many transformations such as, Gaara vs naruto, nii yugito (2 tails) vs hidan and kakuzu, bee vs sasuke, utakata vs pain. The advantage is sheer power..Hope that helped

I read the manga too. But I tend to see it differently. I imagine that this war is going to be quite chaotic. Because of that, I don't think that a huge biju is what anyone from the alliance needs. Remember when bee refused to transform against kisame?

His partial transformation is also not better than what naruto currently has.

And against someone like madara, size is not necessarily a good thing. You need agility more. That's how I see things.

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

I read the manga too. But I tend to see it differently. I imagine that this war is going to be quite chaotic. Because of that, I don't think that a huge biju is what anyone from the alliance needs. Remember when bee refused to transform against kisame?

His partial transformation is also not better than what naruto currently has.

And against someone like madara, size is not necessarily a good thing. You need agility more. That's how I see things.

I wansn't applying that to the war but just as an advantage lol I remember when bee deny transforming..theres a time and place for a full transformation for ex when fighting one on one or one on two.. I do agree transforming into his bijuu can also be a disadvange depending on the circumstance for ex the war..

Heres something important that I feel ppl should think about...I made a similar post before...but how is kabuto going to control/maintain so many edo tensei summons when hes enganged in battle? madara said it himself, controlling so many summons will be a challenge. At the current momemt, kabuto can use handseals to alter the minds of the edo tensei summons..thus eliminating the use for charm tags.

 

[Alkad]

I wansn't applying that to the war but just as an advantage lol I remember when bee deny transforming..theres a time and place for a full transformation for ex when fighting one on one or one on two.. I do agree transforming into his bijuu can also be a disadvange depending on the circumstance for ex the war..

Heres something important that I feel ppl should think about...I made a similar post before...but how is kabuto going to control/maintain so many edo tensei summons when hes enganged in battle? madara said it himself, controlling so many summons will be a challenge. At the current momemt, kabuto can use handseals to alter the minds of the edo tensei summons..thus eliminating the use for charm tags.

Kabuto's situation could be anything. But minato thought the same when he fought madara, yet the fight ended quickly and didn't directly affect madara's control over the kyubi. Except that minato freed it on purpose, but that's a different thing.

My idea is that whether kabuto will be able to control that many summons is almost a wild guess.

Still, kabuto's not stupid. He summoned all of those without hesitation. He could have avoided the fight against anko, yet he didn't. I suppose he trusts his technique. So I will trust him too

 

[Yukimaru Yoshi]

Kabuto's situation could be anything. But minato thought the same when he fought madara, yet the fight ended quickly and didn't directly affect madara's control over the kyubi. Except that minato freed it on purpose, but that's a different thing.

My idea is that whether kabuto will be able to control that many summons is almost a wild guess.

Still, kabuto's not stupid. He summoned all of those without hesitation. He could have avoided the fight against anko, yet he didn't. I suppose he trusts his technique. So I will trust him too

Kabuto usually doesn't do anything without reasoning...I really think hes going to play with anko a little bit lol we all know she has no chance but kabuto doesn't have anything to gain or lose if he killed anko

 

[adrieab]

well i think (and i'm totally convinced) the next chapter will be naruto fighting the 8 tails for training of course cause he said it's going to make him mad so... yeah and kabuto is going to put the dudes to fight ppl that already know them so i think he's planning on hitting them emotionally like orochimaru did the 3rd hokage. cause if u put the boyfriend of lady tsunade and her bro against her ... wow that would be a chapter for real!!! my opinion well let's see what happens let's see.....

 

[Floydical]

On these topics, I shall make my opinion and theories known, although the points after #1 probably not completely correct... I skimmed and speed-read most of it.

2. I'm thinking Kabuto is now actually Orochimaru. Or that at least he's not completely Kabuto any more, in that he is at least partially taken over by Orochimaru's remains. So, he may actually have both a conscious and sub-conscious reason to want Sasuke dead. And Kabuto/Orochimaru may just be pretending to be on Madara's side, only to defeat him and turn him into his/their puppet. Or something to that effect.

3. Remember, the souls are still not completely under Kabuto/Orochimaru's control yet. I'm thinking something will happen that will break his control somewhere in the next few chapters, probably before the real fighting can even start... Which would be very sad. U_U

5. Tobi acted completely different when he exposed himself as Madara, (i.e. he became more serious, stopped making a lot of jokes, anything that made Tobi really loveable, etc.). I think Tobi is insane and has done one of two possible things: gained enough power to become strong enough to be confused with Madara, or he killed Madara himself and took his eyes, allowing Madara to live on in Tobi's body and that Madara causes multiple personality syndrome by occasionally taking over Tobi's body.

These are just some possibilities. I'm not saying any of them are factual, but I definitely think they are plausible.

In regard to Kabuto, I think you are close with your analysis. I don't remember the chapter, but keep in mind that Kabuto said he would make another appearance once he was able to fully control Orochimaru's life force. In addition, Hinata said that his body was already partially taken over.

Based on that, we know now that Kabuto is 100% taken over by that life force but is still himself. That means that not only he has it full controlled, but it is in fact still him controlling it. I think that means that no part of Orochimaru's subconscious/ spirit is within Kabuto at this time. I think that everything Kabuto is doing in regard to playing both sides is simply his own ambition/ aggression.

In regard to the souls he's controlling, I think you may be right. Since Kishi had Kabuto give that little speech on how hard it is to control that many souls at once truly gives the impression that something strange might happen with them.

Finally, I think your suspicion of Tobi/Madara multi-personality is a little far-fetched. Remember, if I recall correctly, that since Madara told Kisame about his true identity we have not seen him act like the old Tobi we were used to. As many said a while back, it seems a little suspicious that a guy as strong and confident as Madara would lower himself to acting how Tobi did. However, I say that Madara has waited so long to see his victory come through, that I wouldn't put anything past him; even something as odd as that.

We know that Madara's body is abnormal and other than getting new info on Zetsu, we have not learned anything about him. The theory presented earlier in this discussion may be the answer. That person theorized that the Madara we are seeing is just a puppet, possibly an altered Zetsu body that Madara is controlling.

Personally, I really think that the Madara we know is indeed the legendary Madara and he simply has addapted his body using Zetsu to live longer/ have the ability to regenerate and survive just about anything. Again, like I said, I wouldn't put anything past him considering his past failures.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

well a lot of people speculated about zetsu being made by madara (tobi), but i think it´s possible that he could be created by orochimaru or even maybe shodai.(just suggestions)