[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 516 Discussion and 517 Predictions
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Toby Uchiha
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Very nice speach of Gaara...as i was reading the manga, i thought "omg", it was over so fast...
Hmm i noticed that some of the resurrected Edo's are rebelling against Kabuto...maybe there is a chance that they can relieve themself from the controlling and turn against Kabuto/Akatsuki? The first one that rebelled was silenced by Kabuto, but what will he do if all the Edo's will rebell? I mean, their mind is clearly free, and we know that a strong will will lend some1 power.. but well, let's see what's happening in the next chapter. To bad that we have to wait another week..
And i think that the Intel-Squad (Anko etc.) will die, and we'll see their wipeout in the next chapter.
Hmm i noticed that some of the resurrected Edo's are rebelling against Kabuto...maybe there is a chance that they can relieve themself from the controlling and turn against Kabuto/Akatsuki? The first one that rebelled was silenced by Kabuto, but what will he do if all the Edo's will rebell? I mean, their mind is clearly free, and we know that a strong will will lend some1 power.. but well, let's see what's happening in the next chapter. To bad that we have to wait another week..
And i think that the Intel-Squad (Anko etc.) will die, and we'll see their wipeout in the next chapter.
jabznaruto
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yo scorps!
i gave the chapter a 3, but it is a 5 for gaara's morale boosting speech.
i'd like to share to you my ideas re "summoning" techs or jutsus. this has nothing to do with kabuto's choices of who he summoned and who he did not.
i agree, the way the chapter went re the evil tandem's force, i am also confused.
let me spit it out...("spit" because this is about kabuto who i dislike; but he amazes me)
summoning...as far my knowledge of it is concerned (where i learned from books and articles i read and films i watched) is something paranormal. it is a condition where spirits are involved. tangible bodies might or might not be a requisite. and the summoner usually is controlling the "summoned".
let me divert a bit...shamans and high priests of the pasts exercise the skills. and the skills were "borrowed" from someone or something more powerful than the shamans or priests. the skills were then used for "healing" and or cursing but not really a weapon to that extent(i'd like to give references but what's the use -- i'd rather speak my mind than redivert you to something you've read or known, besides we would not want to be accused of plagiarism -- do we?)
and these extraordinary skills had an "exchange" or contract -- the user kind of "sold" his soul to this "more powerful being". if you want, you could read re faustus who sold his soul to satan..as an example.
going back to the manga, i like the way "absurdity is conveyed". specifically re kabuto's current powers.
man, i am blown away by just thinking of his power to control all of his summons. let us digest...
1. the impure tech is really evil.
2. the spirit recognizes himself -- and some don't even know they are "dead".
3. their "free will" is intact -- and controlled - in this case by kabuto.
man, i come to my senses..."this is manga" and heck of a great manga.
to go on...
1. the impure tech is definitely "god-like", and i say it is lent. i have no idea where kabuto borrowed it..neither do i think that he learned it all by himself.
i can't accept kabuto to be "god-like' at this stage. why?...
a. he runs away from fights.
b. he wants madara side by side.
c. he seems not prepared to go one on one with madara to showcase his skills.
d. he still is a superficial character -- to me (an honest opinion and no offense meant).
ergo, kabuto's current showings are absurd. kabuto is just not in sasuke's or Naruto's (recognize how i capitalized Naruto -- someone already did, and i like his posts as well) level.
2. the dead bodies' spirits know they are revived. they just don't have the power to control themselves. but they know they (at least most) are "DEAD". this means to me that kabuto's link to them is through the "will". leading us to...
3. "free will" is what keeps us "alive". when somebody dies, free will is already controlled by someone who is very powerful. given the choice of "free will" and being controlled, spirits of course would go for the former.
someone who is in correct mentality would not sell his "free will" or have it controlled by someone. this means that the dead bodies are nothing with out the spirit.
dead body = log
dead body + spirit = log +spirit
dead body < living body (living body meaning - with the soul/spirit)
dead body+spirit < living body
now, inject powers in the equation.
what i want to explain is, "will" which is a link of the summons and the summoner is a "weak link". but to have "control" over this will -- damn...this is heck of a power.
and kabuto again amazes me. just that this is something unacceptable- at least to me, not that i dislike kabuto but because it goes out bounds of reasons and possibilities. then again, this is manga. anime is only second. watching cartoons is for kids, but hell yeah,, i like watching cartoons.
just hope this manga won't be "cartoon-like" in impression. "depth is still a huge factor for attracting readers".
...a shinobi will get to kill kabuto, then bye-bye kabuto and his summoned minions,, madara won't care
i'd like to add,.. what if some of the summons get to "be freed" of kabuto's will connection? kabuto and madara is in deep trouble...heh, another absurdity.
anyways, hope you like what i shared. i don't want you or anyone in the forum to agree with me or believe in what i wrote. i just like a friendly exchange. i don't even assert to you i am right or wrong.
scorps, join me in continuously "reading in between the lines"... this is manga world after all
uzamaki2223
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i pretty much feel the same way as everyone else. great chapter, garra's speech was awesome, epic fights on the horizon
jabz,
ive said it multiple times, and ill say it again.
we've learned from when orochimaru summoned edo tensei vs the 3rd hokage, that even if the summoner, in this case kabuto, were to die, the summons would remain.
killing the summoner does NOT stop edo tensei according to the third hokage.
just thought you should know.
and kabuto is way better than you seem to think.
he always has been. you may not like him, and thats ok.
but you should recognize his level of skill. if you dont see it, then go back and look at some old parts with him in it.
if he runs away that shows intelligence "run away to live and fight another day"
if he is standing at madaras side, its because he knows that madara is equally powerful, and he wants what madara has, sasuke. and the edo tensei he probably learned from orchimaru, or gained it by merging with the snake dna. a very ballzy, very risky move to be sure. also shows the level of his will. kabuto is NOT a superficial character. kabuto has and always will be a huge part of the narutoverse.
and if any of the summoned dead ninjas DO manage to break free from kabuto I believe that they would immediately return to the after life.
however, im not even sure that is possible.
it seems unlikely. and like ive said in the past, naruto will probably be the one to help those poor souls out. if anyone can that is.
ive said it multiple times, and ill say it again.
we've learned from when orochimaru summoned edo tensei vs the 3rd hokage, that even if the summoner, in this case kabuto, were to die, the summons would remain.
killing the summoner does NOT stop edo tensei according to the third hokage.
just thought you should know.
and kabuto is way better than you seem to think.
he always has been. you may not like him, and thats ok.
but you should recognize his level of skill. if you dont see it, then go back and look at some old parts with him in it.
if he runs away that shows intelligence "run away to live and fight another day"
if he is standing at madaras side, its because he knows that madara is equally powerful, and he wants what madara has, sasuke. and the edo tensei he probably learned from orchimaru, or gained it by merging with the snake dna. a very ballzy, very risky move to be sure. also shows the level of his will. kabuto is NOT a superficial character. kabuto has and always will be a huge part of the narutoverse.
and if any of the summoned dead ninjas DO manage to break free from kabuto I believe that they would immediately return to the after life.
however, im not even sure that is possible.
it seems unlikely. and like ive said in the past, naruto will probably be the one to help those poor souls out. if anyone can that is.
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Fire Shadow girl
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God! I alsomost cried at Gaara's speech! and OMG! the dead can talk freely too bad they that they are controlled, anyway I just wish that they will break Kabuto's order/will and fight with the 'Shinobi' alliance.
I'm so excited on what's going to happen next chapter! I keep on going back on the words because my hands can't stop shaking with excitement! Aaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! LOL!
I'm so excited on what's going to happen next chapter! I keep on going back on the words because my hands can't stop shaking with excitement! Aaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! LOL!
krunalgohel
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it was a good chapter to me only because of the speech gaara gave. i do agree that some of the strong summons might get out of kabuto's control while he's fighting with anko as his chakra level will surely go down. Anko is not that bad and kabuto will not win very easily.
Gaara's speech wasn't that amazing, and the reactions to his speech were beyond corny.
"I'm sorry man." "Yeah, me too."
Really now? Unlikely. Festering hatred seeded for a lifetime doesn't wither due to ones enemy having the same enemy. A silly and corny speech spurred at that moment wouldn't abate ones loathing of another. The idea would be like, "Yeah, I forcibly sodomized your daughter, but you need to work with me because the cops who are trying to arrest me for said crime are attempting to arrest you too for some other crime." The whole concept is irrational. Whatever though, it's a Manga.
"I'm sorry man." "Yeah, me too."
Really now? Unlikely. Festering hatred seeded for a lifetime doesn't wither due to ones enemy having the same enemy. A silly and corny speech spurred at that moment wouldn't abate ones loathing of another. The idea would be like, "Yeah, I forcibly sodomized your daughter, but you need to work with me because the cops who are trying to arrest me for said crime are attempting to arrest you too for some other crime." The whole concept is irrational. Whatever though, it's a Manga.
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Eh you're looking at it negatively. Surely Gaara's speech did not wipe away all hatred among the shinobi, but at the very least it made those guys and some others realize that personal arguments have no place among allies during war. Them apologizing was a result of realizing their childish actions at that moment, not them forgiving a rival country for all their atrocities. I thought it was pretty realistic.
And in regard to those of you that thought Gaara was too focused on Naruto during his speech, did you really forget what gaara was like before naruto changed him? I mean gaara had it far worse than naruto. Not only did people hate him, ignore him, fear him and flat out despise him but Gaara also had assassins constantly attacking him. I mean that is about the most traumatic childhood that I could think of. Not only you had to deal with all those things but you would constantly be faced with death, death that you caused. Finally, when it came to Gaara's only friend, his only role model, his only connection to love in the world, not even that was true. That man also secretly hated and despised Gaara and tried to kill him like many others.
Naruto saving Gaara the way he did was simply astounding to be sure, I think you would be extremely appreciative to that person. Not to mention, Naruto was a major influence in saving Gaara's life when he was killed upon the 1 tails extraction. Don't forget, that it was a combination of Sakura and Naruto that changed that old lady's mind. When it came to sacrificing herself for Gaara, it was primarily due to Naruto's belief in him. I thought the speech made the chapter.
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I am very sorry for Anko having to fight Asuma..... From the way things are going, it looks like Anko is going to fight Asuma...... And how is Kabuto going to control their minds when they have already dispersed and far away from him......Somebody explain this to me..
Mmm thats a good question. You mean how is he gonna insert all the necessary special tags in each of their heads exactly when he wants too? Well I guess he could put them all in manually but you're right, they will be well spread out.
My only logical explanation is maybe he will disperse the tags among the thousands of white Zetsu's and have them insert them when he feels necessary.
Sharinnigan
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Re: Manga 516!
does anybody know if kabutomaru resurrected Jiraya or elder chiyo?? and what about all the fallen uchihas??? and narutos mother??? i mean, if i were kabutomaru i woulda definately brought back the entire uchiha clan ESPECIALLY SHISUI UCHIHA, AND WHAT ABOUT THE SAGE OF SIX PATHS? i wonder why he didnt think to resurrect him lol, i guess kishi didnt want him to be too OP
does anybody know if kabutomaru resurrected Jiraya or elder chiyo?? and what about all the fallen uchihas??? and narutos mother??? i mean, if i were kabutomaru i woulda definately brought back the entire uchiha clan ESPECIALLY SHISUI UCHIHA, AND WHAT ABOUT THE SAGE OF SIX PATHS? i wonder why he didnt think to resurrect him lol, i guess kishi didnt want him to be too OP
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