there is an element of mystery, thats true.
however, more often than not, things happen logically and i can usually tell what will happen next. im not clueless, and i really am looking for intellectual comment. agreement only, would be boring. i would prefer that people share their thoughts on the matter, as long as they have actually thought about it, and not simply reacted.
how can tobi being madara NOT be confirmed?
other people have called him madara.
he claims to be madara.
and he has everything about him that we would expect madara to be...
so how is he not madara?
what more would you need to convince you?
does he have to have madara tattooed on his forehead?
do you need to see his birth certificate??
kabuto is no longer simply himself it seems.
my opinion is that orochimaru and kabuto have become more than just partners. their wills and desires have joined into one being. im not sure what course he has set himself on. evil or not, kabuto is holding a surprise.
sasuke was/is definitely not in his right mind, i agree there.
and if there really are that many different stories of what happened
then maybe we cant trust that we know the exact details of that night.
however i would say that its clear enough what happened.
itachi's version was most likely true
he always told sasuke the truth, hidden deep in his words.
almost all the uchiha are dead, and danzo, itachi, and madara were the ones most directly responsible for that happening.
none of this is easy.
its all very complicated.
kishi has created an amazing story. <3
What more do I want? Oh that's simple. For him to look like Madara.
A clone of hashirama made from supposedly just a couple drops of his blood, looks exactly like the hashirama we expect, that we've been shown over and over again.
Yet Tobi, in no way shape or form, resembles anything we know to expect of Madara, hair color is wrong, hair style is wrong, clothing is wrong. Supposedly itachi met with madara uchiha who looked exactly like what we expected him to look like, at least when he was telling sasuke the story. So if tobi is Madara, itachi's recollection is wrong, due to the drastic change in appearance. The only person in narutoverse to ever chang their looks was Sakura. No other character in naruto has managed the feat. Even ino after chopping off her hair, it's grown back to normal by the time she's going to try and molest sasuke in the hospital, before the chuunin exam finals.
If more characters in the series changed their looks, then I could probably swallow tobi=madara. but with Sakura the only one, unless you want to count sarutobi hiruzen who just got old and his looks only changed durring flash backs. Or maybe Tsunade who supposedly changes into an old wrinkley hag when she uses up her chakra, yet she's never shown as such.
Not to mention that frankly if Tobi is madara, it would stand to reason that the mask is impeding him more than helping him. Uchiha Madara is the closest thing in the Narutoverse to a boogieman. Not using the mask would make battles easier, because it would cause hesitation on his opponents part.
Went back and reread the chapter. Minato said "You're not Uchiha Madara so who are you?" Which fits with his conversation with naruto even earlier than that during the pain fight when he reset the seal on the kyuubi. "The masked man from Akatsuki was behind the attack. I don't know who he is but he's dangerous." (paraphrased)
Then there's Kabuto.
"Oh that's right, you're claiming to be madara these days"
As for him saying it to konan, your logic is flawed. You are using American Hollywood logic, to explain a Japanese manga's character's actions. literally you're on the other side of the world with that one. Tobi is, if nothing else, cautious. once he's in character, he doesn't go out of character. From the first moment we met him and he was a bumbling idiot servant to zetsu, then suddenly he's claiming to be madara uchiha and he's in that character. Perhaps he actually convinces himself that he is who he claims to be.
Perhaps this is just kishimoto's twisted sadistic writting humor. Let's just make certain it stays an unanswered question. like why kabuto claims to be the 3rd person to use Edo Tensei, yet orochimaru was supposed to be the one who invented it.
On the topic of the uchiha massacre, I doubt itachi told sasuke the truth. He told sasuke what sasuke needed to hear in order to finish what he had started.
My theory on the uchiha massacre, is that tobi was the one to kill the uchiha clan. Itachi responded to the attack with anbu backup. Tobi weakened from killing off the other uchiha, and already having a large assortment of sharingan which was his objective, withdrew. Danzo took over what tobi was doing and collected the remaining sharingan. Itachi engineered his whole exile and persecution for the massacre, just so he could find the one who did it. Itachi's susanoo suggests he was prepared to fight a ninja far stronger than him. He knew tobi was claiming to be connected to, or actually be, madara uchiha. So he told Sasuke, who'd come to kill him soley to take revenge for his clan, that his work wasn't done until he killed madara uchiha who helped him.
If you keep this theory in mind and go back and re-read the manga everything falls into place a lot better than with any of the stories given so far in the manga.
I like to try see it from both people perspective.
