[Predictions] Naruto Manga Chapter 514 Discussion/ 515 Predictions

[dafinadaniel]

the last chapter was ok but i hate kabuto because he became a monster. the good part is he isnt stronger than madara and sasuke.

 

[danivass]

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What more do I want? Oh that's simple. For him to look like Madara.
A clone of hashirama made from supposedly just a couple drops of his blood, looks exactly like the hashirama we expect, that we've been shown over and over again.
Yet Tobi, in no way shape or form, resembles anything we know to expect of Madara, hair color is wrong, hair style is wrong, clothing is wrong. Supposedly itachi met with madara uchiha who looked exactly like what we expected him to look like, at least when he was telling sasuke the story. So if tobi is Madara, itachi's recollection is wrong, due to the drastic change in appearance. The only person in narutoverse to ever chang their looks was Sakura. No other character in naruto has managed the feat. Even ino after chopping off her hair, it's grown back to normal by the time she's going to try and molest sasuke in the hospital, before the chuunin exam finals.

If more characters in the series changed their looks, then I could probably swallow tobi=madara. but with Sakura the only one, unless you want to count sarutobi hiruzen who just got old and his looks only changed durring flash backs. Or maybe Tsunade who supposedly changes into an old wrinkley hag when she uses up her chakra, yet she's never shown as such.

Not to mention that frankly if Tobi is madara, it would stand to reason that the mask is impeding him more than helping him. Uchiha Madara is the closest thing in the Narutoverse to a boogieman. Not using the mask would make battles easier, because it would cause hesitation on his opponents part.

Went back and reread the chapter. Minato said "You're not Uchiha Madara so who are you?" Which fits with his conversation with naruto even earlier than that during the pain fight when he reset the seal on the kyuubi. "The masked man from Akatsuki was behind the attack. I don't know who he is but he's dangerous." (paraphrased)

Then there's Kabuto.

"Oh that's right, you're claiming to be madara these days"

As for him saying it to konan, your logic is flawed. You are using American Hollywood logic, to explain a Japanese manga's character's actions. literally you're on the other side of the world with that one. Tobi is, if nothing else, cautious. once he's in character, he doesn't go out of character. From the first moment we met him and he was a bumbling idiot servant to zetsu, then suddenly he's claiming to be madara uchiha and he's in that character. Perhaps he actually convinces himself that he is who he claims to be.

Perhaps this is just kishimoto's twisted sadistic writting humor. Let's just make certain it stays an unanswered question. like why kabuto claims to be the 3rd person to use Edo Tensei, yet orochimaru was supposed to be the one who invented it.

On the topic of the uchiha massacre, I doubt itachi told sasuke the truth. He told sasuke what sasuke needed to hear in order to finish what he had started.

My theory on the uchiha massacre, is that tobi was the one to kill the uchiha clan. Itachi responded to the attack with anbu backup. Tobi weakened from killing off the other uchiha, and already having a large assortment of sharingan which was his objective, withdrew. Danzo took over what tobi was doing and collected the remaining sharingan. Itachi engineered his whole exile and persecution for the massacre, just so he could find the one who did it. Itachi's susanoo suggests he was prepared to fight a ninja far stronger than him. He knew tobi was claiming to be connected to, or actually be, madara uchiha. So he told Sasuke, who'd come to kill him soley to take revenge for his clan, that his work wasn't done until he killed madara uchiha who helped him.

If you keep this theory in mind and go back and re-read the manga everything falls into place a lot better than with any of the stories given so far in the manga.

Tobi's hair is black. Madara's hair was also black. I don't see how the hair color is wrong.
Gaara's brother, Kankuro, changed the purple markings on his face at least 2 times during the series. Sasuke, Sakura, Gaara, Neji and others changed their clothing in the 3 year gap between the original series and shippuuden. Karin was also shown with a ponytail once. If that isn't a change in appearance I don't know what is.
Now during his fight with Konan Madara's mask got blown off in the area of his right eye. He tried to absorb himself and what did he do? He put his hand on top of the hole in the mask even though Konan had already seen her face. So if I would have to guess, I'd say he needs to have covered the face around his eye to absorb himself.

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And about Edo tensei the 2nd hokage invented it, Orochimaru was the 2nd user and Kabuto is the 3rd who has surpassed the previous ones.

 

[Savior..]

Wow, deidara sucks..

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

Tobi's hair is black. Madara's hair was also black. I don't see how the hair color is wrong.
Gaara's brother, Kankuro, changed the purple markings on his face at least 2 times during the series. Sasuke, Sakura, Gaara, Neji and others changed their clothing in the 3 year gap between the original series and shippuuden. Karin was also shown with a ponytail once. If that isn't a change in appearance I don't know what is.
Now during his fight with Konan Madara's mask got blown off in the area of his right eye. He tried to absorb himself and what did he do? He put his hand on top of the hole in the mask even though Konan had already seen her face. So if I would have to guess, I'd say he needs to have covered the face around his eye to absorb himself.

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And about Edo tensei the 2nd hokage invented it, Orochimaru was the 2nd user and Kabuto is the 3rd who has surpassed the previous ones.

Perhaps he used his hand to absorb himself, he needs to see what he is absorbing. Anyway, I don't see any connection between absorbtion and covering his face around the eye, and he didn't covered it around the eye, he covered his face completely with his palm. Then he broke his mask around the left eye so he can use Izanagi.
Btw, have you noticed that it's not the shadow of the mask that makes his face black, it's actually black. One of his body part is white and the other one is black just like Zetsu.
Tho Zetsu is some kind of an experiment, a monster, merely a pawn but Tobi is the real deal.

Edit: Just got an another idea.
We have seen Tobi acting like an idiot, a fool if I may say. Doesn't that remind you
of Zetsus white side? And the black one is more serious, more aggresive. Now we see his black side aka left eye is hungy for war

Edit2: Another wacky idea.

Perhaps this Tobi guy/Madara, actually merged Uchiha clan ancestor and Senju clan ancestor in one person or being. Thus that's why one of them is a bit foolish (senju side) like Naruto, the other one is more serious and more aggresive (uchiha side) like Uchiha ancestor. He seems to posses both of the clans dna. Their knowledge. He activated Rinnegan and I believe it is only possible for Senju(Uzumaki too) or Uchiha members to do that as they are his descendants.

 

[danivass]

Perhaps he used his hand to absorb himself, he needs to see what he is absorbing. Anyway, I don't see any connection between absorbtion and covering his face around the eye, and he didn't covered it around the eye, he covered his face completely with his palm. Then he broke his mask around the left eye so he can use Izanagi.
Btw, have you noticed that it's not the shadow of the mask that makes his face black, it's actually black. One of his body part is white and the other one is black just like Zetsu.
Tho Zetsu is some kind of an experiment, a monster, merely a pawn but Tobi is the real deal.

Edit: Just got an another idea.
We have seen Tobi acting like an idiot, a fool if I may say. Doesn't that remind you
of Zetsus white side? And the black one is more serious, more aggresive. Now we see his black side aka left eye is hungy for war

Edit2: Another wacky idea.

Perhaps this Tobi guy/Madara, actually merged Uchiha clan ancestor and Senju clan ancestor in one person or being. Thus that's why one of them is a bit foolish (senju side) like Naruto, the other one is more serious and more aggresive (uchiha side) like Uchiha ancestor. He seems to posses both of the clans dna. Their knowledge. He activated Rinnegan and I believe it is only possible for Senju(Uzumaki too) or Uchiha members to do that as they are his descendants.

Hm, he has never shown the need to see himself so he can absorb himself up until then. And I am really convinced that his face is just shadowed, but we are both entitled to our own opinions
Well, the two ancestors are supposedly more than a few hundred years old, it is possible, though a little too far-fetched.

 

[Mystikk]

the last chapter was ok but i hate kabuto because he became a monster. the good part is he isnt stronger than madara and sasuke.

Yea I used to like kabuto.. now that he is a snake I really want him to die.

Madara is going to catch the 8tails himself.. maybe naruto will try to save bee.. an sasuke stops naruto & reveals EMS.. lol jus what I wish.

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

And I am really convinced that his face is just shadowed, but we are both entitled to our own opinions
Well, the two ancestors are supposedly more than a few hundred years old, it is possible, though a little too far-fetched.

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this one should convince you. We see his front-side face portrait and the mask is equaly broken on both sides but only the right(left one from his view) is in black colour!

No matter how silly and unlogical (even for narutoverse physics) that is, I still could understand a shadow from nowhere on his whole face, Kishi wouldn't want us to see his face too soon, but seeing his eyes, his nose and a small portion of his face gives us completely nothing.

There's simply no way that was a shadow.

But you're right, we are both entitled to our own opinions.

 

[Zombie]

what if they send naruto and killerbee back to konha to train and naurto talk to lady tsuanda bout his mother and father, and that his father and mother left him scrolls only he came use that just my idea

What if somebody actually took the time to not sound like a retard? That's just my idea.

Its a legit question. Naruto learned Kage Bunshin from a stolen scroll. Things are recorded on scrolls. You would think there would be a library of jutsu on scrolls somewhere that Naruto would have access to study. Which could possibly have recorded his Mother's sealing jutsu and his Fathers FTG tech may be documented. I would be disappointed if the Jutsu's haven't been recorded on scrolls for future generations.

I never said it wasn't a legit question. However, if you go back and reread his question (which I thoughtfully went and pasted into this post), you'll discover that 98% of it doesn't actually make sense.

For example: Why would Naruto and Killer Bee return to Konoho, which is extremely weakened with a large loss of morale (add to it the fact that Konoho is currently a crater.)

Also, "that his father and mother left him scrolls only he came use that just my idea" I know this website has translators, but if there is anybody here who can translate nonsensical gibberish, please assist me with that one.

However, the fact that his father and mother's techniques could be stored somewhere are always a possibility. However, unlikely. More possible however would be Naruto discovering another Uzumaki whom is knowledgeable in sealing techniques.

I really do not see Naruto obtaining his father's FTG techniques. However, we haven't really seen how powerful Naruto is yet with his new acquired powers from the Kyuubi. (Not to mention the possibility of this new power combined with sage mode?)

In my opinion, Naruto should just kill the shit out of Sasuke and take his EMS (which would never happen).

 

[Narutofan123457]

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this one should convince you. We see his front-side face portrait and the mask is equaly broken on both sides but only the right(left one from his view) is in black colour!

No matter how silly and unlogical (even for narutoverse physics) that is, I still could understand a shadow from nowhere on his whole face, Kishi wouldn't want us to see his face too soon, but seeing his eyes, his nose and a small portion of his face gives us completely nothing.

There's simply no way that was a shadow.

But you're right, we are both entitled to our own opinions.

No, maybe not a shadow, however there is a big possibility that Kishi is just tricking us and he just closed his eye. The way that the eye went black was gradually, and it just looked like his eye was closing. Kishi has been known to trick us to make us think one way or another, so I can't say whether the eye went black or whether he just closed it from using too much chakra. That's what Itachi and sasuke do after they use their sharingan on a big technique after all. But who knows?

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

No, maybe not a shadow, however there is a big possibility that Kishi is just tricking us and he just closed his eye. The way that the eye went black was gradually, and it just looked like his eye was closing. Kishi has been known to trick us to make us think one way or another, so I can't say whether the eye went black or whether he just closed it from using too much chakra. That's what Itachi and sasuke do after they use their sharingan on a big technique after all. But who knows?

Erm, you're wrong. The eye used to activate Izanagi will permanently close and be stricken with blindness forever. And I wasn't talking about his eye I was talking about that partical part of his face which is black, not shadowed.

 

[Narutofan123457]

Erm, you're wrong. The eye used to activate Izanagi will permanently close and be stricken with blindness forever. And I wasn't talking about his eye I was talking about that partical part of his face which is black, not shadowed.

On the first part, you cannot prove that, because we have only seen Danzo use the izanagi and madara stated that his was incomplete. Madara said his was complete, so whether or not he would lose his eyesight is debatable. As for the second part, it still could be shadowed. At that certain angle, it would be hard to see his eye anyway, so it wouldn't matter much if it wasn't black. And we know that his eye from that half of his face was still active with sharingan because in the next page we see it, so again, the shading of his face wouldn't help prove any points.

 

[Omningan]

may i interject?
how can you even prove its a SHADOW?
this is a black and white comic guys, that shading could be the color green, how the hell do you know?
my thought is, that his face is shadowed because he always keeps it in a mask and its jacked up the way your hand would be if you wore a glove for 30 years and never took it off.
also that he has used izangi in that eye socket over and over and over to the point where he has interchanged so many sharingans that, that side of his face is litterally decaying and dying away.
take your pick.
but arguing about whether its a shadow? or whether we can see who he is?
are u kidding me?
kakashi wears a mask all the time, do we not know who he is?
comon guys! up your level of productive thinking!

(Not to mention the possibility of this new power combined with sage mode?)

my assumption is this...
the so6p chakra mode that naruto is accessing already includes the sage chakra.
here's my theory...
naruto has 4 chakras
his(blue), kyuubi's(red), nature(sage), element(wind)
"with these powers combined..."

heres something else to stew in.
if minato was senju
and kushina was uzukami
that means naruto already has 2 pieces of the sage because of his heritage right?
then if we go out on a limb and say that itachi gave him a little uchiha in hiding, then he also has 3 pieces, just like madara.
how about them apples?

but what the hell do i know?
im just throwing that out there for those of you smart enough to enjoy it!

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

Man, you people are pretty stubborn bunch of fools...

Take a GOOD look at this page

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We see his face from the front, the mask is equaly broken on both sides BUT ONLY ONE SIDE IS BLACK. Srsly?? A shadow?? That's retarded even for a 4 years old kid. Stop being so naive, goddamnit. Yes, his face on that side could be decayed and yes his face is jacked up from wearing a mask, tho lets forget about the fact that only one side got "jacked up". Perhaps he went trought the same operation as Michael Jackson did. He's actually a black man, trying to be white.. /not

Truth is, we have this Zetsu who is the only true friend(servant) of Madara, they seem to know everything about each other and they trust each other. Zetsu is known for being a clone machine. And he's known for having a white side (normal?) and a black one.
Now try to figure why Tobi has some similar features.

Idk why that part of his face is black, maybe he got f*cked up in a battle but I do know it's now shadowed. And if it is, than I rest my case in this unlogical-childish fantasy manga, where shadows drop on ppl faces out of nowhere (not considering jutsus).

 

[Narutofan123457]

Man, you people are pretty stubborn bunch of fools...

Take a GOOD look at this page

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We see his face from the front, the mask is equaly broken on both sides BUT ONLY ONE SIDE IS BLACK. Srsly?? A shadow?? That's retarded even for a 4 years old kid. Stop being so naive, goddamnit. Yes, his face on that side could be decayed and yes his face is jacked up from wearing a mask, tho lets forget about the fact that only one side got "jacked up". Perhaps he went trought the same operation as Michael Jackson did. He's actually a black man, trying to be white.. /not

Truth is, we have this Zetsu who is the only true friend(servant) of Madara, they seem to know everything about each other and they trust each other. Zetsu is known for being a clone machine. And he's known for having a white side (normal?) and a black one.
Now try to figure why Tobi has some similar features.

Idk why that part of his face is black, maybe he got f*cked up in a battle but I do know it's now shadowed. And if it is, than I rest my case in this unlogical-childish fantasy manga, where shadows drop on ppl faces out of nowhere (not considering jutsus).

please don't curse. It's against the rules and it's extremely impolite. There is no need to get so heated on this small little discussion. Besides, I said it COULD be a shadow, and if it's not, so what? What does that prove? It does not prove that his sharingan blacked out because it is shown in the next page. It does not prove that he doesn't have an eye there, because from that angle , his eye would be hard to see anyway. And on the link on that page, his eye could have been closed. I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just saying there is no way you can prove anything from a shaded in half of Madara's face.

Onto the next thing, if you are implying that that half of madara is black zetsu, that is quite plausible, but still not possible to completely support.

 

[EternalMangekyouRinnegan]

please don't curse. It's against the rules and it's extremely impolite. There is no need to get so heated on this small little discussion. Besides, I said it COULD be a shadow, and if it's not, so what? What does that prove? It does not prove that his sharingan blacked out because it is shown in the next page. It does not prove that he doesn't have an eye there, because from that angle, his eye would be hard to see anyway. I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just saying there is no way you can prove anything from a shaded in half of Madara's face.

WTH

You don't get me at all, it's like trying to tell something obvious to naruto, pointing out everything step by step like for an 4th grader but he still doesn't understand a thing. And you wonder why i get so heated up.

I don't care about his eye blacking out. I never did. I don't even know why you started to talk about that He's eye closed because of Izanagi. There's just nothing to argue about.
Why in the hell would he close it intentionetly? To fool dying Konan? Yeah, sure like there's any sense in doing that.

My point was about his left side of face being black like Zetsus. So enough of this blacking eye mumbo-jambo.

 

[Narutofan123457]

WTH

You don't get me at all, it's like trying to tell something obvious to naruto, pointing out everything step by step like for an 4th grader but he still doesn't understand a thing. And you wonder why i get so heated up.

I don't care about his eye blacking out. I never did. I don't even know why you started to talk about that He's eye closed because of Izanagi. There's just nothing to argue about.
Why in the hell would he close it intentionetly? To fool dying Konan? Yeah, sure like there's any sense in doing that.

My point was about his left side of face being black like Zetsus. So enough of this blacking eye mumbo-jambo.

I only commented on the eye thing because in an earlier post you said that izanagi forces the user to go blind in one eye. Anyway, I realize that you are talking about Zetsu being part of Madara, which in my earlier post, I agreed with you. I stated that that is a very plausible theory, however, there is still not enough information to prove it, considering we don't know black zetsu's power/we have no proof that why Madara's face was black was because of zetsu. And I'm not talking to you like a 4th grader and I am not reacting like a 4th grader. I am simply stating my opinion and no matter how heated up anyone gets, I still find it childish and unnecessary to curse. So let's just end this conversation with our differing yet similar opinions because I'm not trying to say that you are wrong; I'm just saying that there is not enough proof to support anything with a picture just yet.

 

[jabznaruto]

Nice posts omningan…
Nice posts warlock tigerwolf…
Just spent quality time with the family…but heck yea im back and thinking.
Guys, if we could just simplify what we have to say i believe - the better.
Let us invite as many ideas as we can.

You do read poems, poetry that is..or prose or any form of literature..then you know what is fiction and what is true.

Damn…nice exchange of ideas there..missed it.
Anyways, let me join the fray---again.

Omningan…I guess you have accepted my “sasuke is sasuke”.
In return…I acknowledge your “strong kabuto”—for now.
Going back to our ramblings…
“kabuto was not wanted---from the start”…that is my premise
And sasuke was…how about Naruto???

Words like condescending, adamant et al…man, you are verbose. Let us make it simpler so others could join…let us make this a friendly exchange of ideas…let us discuss opinions…attack predictions----but if we could minimize assertion---I think the better.

Now…kabuto was not wanted from the start---that was why I said he is weak.
Sasuke was…he is strong and he is stronger now…
How about Naruto???

Kabuto shows jutsus he modified…but still he can’t call them his own.
Kabuto’s chakra control is far from that of hinata or neji (another invitation for discussion..)
Kabuto’s regeneration is not at par than that of the main protagonists of the manga---Naruto, sasuke , madara, or kisame—let us include him..i like him (and I think kisame would beat the hell out of kabuto).
Kabuto’s edo tensei…perhaps he could call this his own now???…but this jutsu is weak. Anytime the bind of will is cut, the jutsu is gone. I bet, guy sensei will simply demolish these summons.

This is why kabuto loves to sneak in…he could not fight at close range because he is vulnerable to close attacks…he uses something and not someone,,,a user eh. Kabuto’s judgments are questionable. Im intrigue with what plans he has for us…
Im gonna say he is strong—for now, this might change in a second.
This is the beauty of this great manga…Naruto

Naruto has heaven and hell of unprecedented jutsus He can call HIS OWN---because no one can better or modify it than Himself.
Yes…Naruto kage bunshin is ordinary…HOW ABOUT 200000 CLONES??? NOBODY in the manga can do this. And I do believe that this is his stepping stone at mastering the thunder god techs.
HOW ABOUT HIS RASENGAN???kabuto shivers in fear even at the thought of OODAMA and RASENSHURIKEN. Why?? Because kabuto can’t fight at a close range…he is very much orochimaruish…and where is oro now??? ----DEAD.

And oh…tenzo was captured…yes he was…because of the element of surprise. And yamato saved motoi without knowing he(tenzo) was the target. Yamato is a good man…that is why he is going to survive.
And if yamato is given the chance to fight kabuto 1 on 1, mano y mano, fair and square…I just predict---he would bet the hell out of kabuto as well (this we have to wait and see).

See omningan…you sound like kabuto…speak your mind and not the facts or redirects from the manga. You are scientific…I like that, but man…this is fiction…and do not be too assertive…you are scaring away beautiful minds.
I admire Warlock Tigerwolf’s wider perspective this time…he seems to consider no boundaries of what a manga literature is.
Kishi and mugi are lol for this…but sure they appreciate our intellectual discussions hehe…

But one thing I would like to counter with warlocks pred is re kabuto as the ultimate villain…
Nah..it will be sasuke…
Going back to expound a bit…the culture we are dealing with is fond of seeing “losing by total defeat and with pride” or “accepting defeat through hara-kiri with intact dignity” and “winning it all by savoring the sweetness of victory”

Kabuto is not worthy of this scheme…he is a traitor bastard. He can’t stand alone…like currently that he hides under the shadow of madara…that is why he is “WEAK”—he is alone (remember no man is an island???—but hellyeah…kabuto is now a monster).
HERE…Naruto’s character is exemplary…he is with everyone…”HE HAS THIS MYSTERIOUS POWER TO BEFRIEND EVERY PERSON HE MEETS”. That is why he is protected…that is why he is wanted by all…FOR GOD’S SAKE --- HE IS THE 4TH’S SON!!! Don’t you guys like minato????
Naruto is not naruto with the kyuubi. NARUTO IS NARUTO because he is our hero. He is a genius that no one knows where this wisdom and power comes from. It is not a question of Naruto working hard to be what he is now..nor the gifts were laid in his path..we just have to accept it.

Omningan…sasuke is sasuke---I see we settled this.
Kabuto is still not kabuto.

Now Naruto is Naruto.

I pity those who cling to developing characters…but I could be wrong…my naivete or our being naïve is what makes this forum great…

For those kabuto nuthuggers..Naruto and sasuke haters…no offense…just a friendly exchange

Kabuto will be a part of history…
NARUTO AND SASUKE IS EQUAL TO “DESTINY”!!!
“HEROES AND GENUISES ARE BORN ---“NOT EVER AND NEVER BE MADE” HEHE

 

[apok]

On the first part, you cannot prove that,

Since my post count isn't high enough i can' post the link

But chapter 479 Page 4, madara clearly states that eye used to perform izanagi will be stricken with blindness and will close tight forever, he does not link this to danzo's being incomplete he simply states that this is what happens.

I submit to you that you cannot prove your standpoint

 

[arjun3394]

Nice posts omningan…
Nice posts warlock tigerwolf…
Just spent quality time with the family…but heck yea im back and thinking.
Guys, if we could just simplify what we have to say i believe - the better.
Let us invite as many ideas as we can.

You do read poems, poetry that is..or prose or any form of literature..then you know what is fiction and what is true.

Damn…nice exchange of ideas there..missed it.
Anyways, let me join the fray---again.

Omningan…I guess you have accepted my “sasuke is sasuke”.
In return…I acknowledge your “strong kabuto”—for now.
Going back to our ramblings…
“kabuto was not wanted---from the start”…that is my premise
And sasuke was…how about Naruto???

Words like condescending, adamant et al…man, you are verbose. Let us make it simpler so others could join…let us make this a friendly exchange of ideas…let us discuss opinions…attack predictions----but if we could minimize assertion---I think the better.

Now…kabuto was not wanted from the start---that was why I said he is weak.
Sasuke was…he is strong and he is stronger now…
How about Naruto???

Kabuto shows jutsus he modified…but still he can’t call them his own.
Kabuto’s chakra control is far from that of hinata or neji (another invitation for discussion..)
Kabuto’s regeneration is not at par than that of the main protagonists of the manga---Naruto, sasuke , madara, or kisame—let us include him..i like him (and I think kisame would beat the hell out of kabuto).
Kabuto’s edo tensei…perhaps he could call this his own now???…but this jutsu is weak. Anytime the bind of will is cut, the jutsu is gone. I bet, guy sensei will simply demolish these summons.

This is why kabuto loves to sneak in…he could not fight at close range because he is vulnerable to close attacks…he uses something and not someone,,,a user eh. Kabuto’s judgments are questionable. Im intrigue with what plans he has for us…
Im gonna say he is strong—for now, this might change in a second.
This is the beauty of this great manga…Naruto

Naruto has heaven and hell of unprecedented jutsus He can call HIS OWN---because no one can better or modify it than Himself.
Yes…Naruto kage bunshin is ordinary…HOW ABOUT 200000 CLONES??? NOBODY in the manga can do this. And I do believe that this is his stepping stone at mastering the thunder god techs.
HOW ABOUT HIS RASENGAN???kabuto shivers in fear even at the thought of OODAMA and RASENSHURIKEN. Why?? Because kabuto can’t fight at a close range…he is very much orochimaruish…and where is oro now??? ----DEAD.

And oh…tenzo was captured…yes he was…because of the element of surprise. And yamato saved motoi without knowing he(tenzo) was the target. Yamato is a good man…that is why he is going to survive.
And if yamato is given the chance to fight kabuto 1 on 1, mano y mano, fair and square…I just predict---he would bet the hell out of kabuto as well (this we have to wait and see).

See omningan…you sound like kabuto…speak your mind and not the facts or redirects from the manga. You are scientific…I like that, but man…this is fiction…and do not be too assertive…you are scaring away beautiful minds.
I admire Warlock Tigerwolf’s wider perspective this time…he seems to consider no boundaries of what a manga literature is.
Kishi and mugi are lol for this…but sure they appreciate our intellectual discussions hehe…

But one thing I would like to counter with warlocks pred is re kabuto as the ultimate villain…
Nah..it will be sasuke…
Going back to expound a bit…the culture we are dealing with is fond of seeing “losing by total defeat and with pride” or “accepting defeat through hara-kiri with intact dignity” and “winning it all by savoring the sweetness of victory”

Kabuto is not worthy of this scheme…he is a traitor bastard. He can’t stand alone…like currently that he hides under the shadow of madara…that is why he is “WEAK”—he is alone (remember no man is an island???—but hellyeah…kabuto is now a monster).
HERE…Naruto’s character is exemplary…he is with everyone…”HE HAS THIS MYSTERIOUS POWER TO BEFRIEND EVERY PERSON HE MEETS”. That is why he is protected…that is why he is wanted by all…FOR GOD’S SAKE --- HE IS THE 4TH’S SON!!! Don’t you guys like minato????
Naruto is not naruto with the kyuubi. NARUTO IS NARUTO because he is our hero. He is a genius that no one knows where this wisdom and power comes from. It is not a question of Naruto working hard to be what he is now..nor the gifts were laid in his path..we just have to accept it.

Omningan…sasuke is sasuke---I see we settled this.
Kabuto is still not kabuto.

Now Naruto is Naruto.

I pity those who cling to developing characters…but I could be wrong…my naivete or our being naïve is what makes this forum great…

For those kabuto nuthuggers..Naruto and sasuke haters…no offense…just a friendly exchange

Kabuto will be a part of history…
NARUTO AND SASUKE IS EQUAL TO “DESTINY”!!!
“HEROES AND GENUISES ARE BORN ---“NOT EVER AND NEVER BE MADE” HEHE

you appear to love sasuke too much. his chidori is copy of kakashi along with kirin & summons helped by orochimaru, other techs coz of his kekke genkai.
no original genius, same as kabuto

 

[jabznaruto]

you appear to love sasuke too much. his chidori is copy of kakashi along with kirin & summons helped by orochimaru, other techs coz of his kekke genkai.
no original genius, same as kabuto

hi there arjun3394...

nice to read from you, and yes i love sasuke...but i love Naruto more.
sometimes you have to love your enemy -- to defeat them.
you are right that his chidori is taught to him by kakashi. his kirin is from oro...
but his other techs??? what are those???

i believe sasuke has no kekei genkai like Naruto--i might be wrong.

sasuke is like Naruto -- he was already gifted with powers.
kabuto was no-one, that i knew of... his powers??? please let me know what were his powers from the start. and now that he is older (kabuto)...his powers are still not his to call his own...

Naruto and sasuke were the total package...truly original...powerful....
Most especially Naruto...

talking about the two won't lead us to:

1. tobi/madara is madara: a mountain of evidences were stated in the open, yet certainty of it still hangs because even a small and shallow trench of "madara is not tobi/madara" is a possibility. with this little probability of proof...madara is still not madara. kishi's a shrewd man not to tell this to us -- for us to enjoy and discuss...even tobi himself said he not sure of whether madara died during his fight with the first...madara is a liar. madara huggers could be surprised after tons of proofs.. tobi is not madara in the end. well this is a manga...and not a scientific invention. anything can happen.

2. who is zetsu??? who is the white one? and the black one? all i read from the storylines is that the black and white is tobi's sidekick now...a liaison...very obedient just like kisame.

3. kabuto is not kabuto...he is kabutomaru...a traitor...takes advantage of his medical skills (take note--"skills") to gain the trust of a more powerful boss he'll eventually betray...he is a weakling...
i can't wait til sasuke finishes this pretender off, just like oro...

no question...sasuke is sasuke - hate him or love him -- you can do nothing.

and Naruto is Naruto...too much love, lovelier than itachi-san.

yes, itachi is a great uchiha. he did help sasuke. itachi was so powerful to eliminate oro... he loved sasuke so much that he could not afford somebody like madara touches him. his death is his ultimate gift to sasuke, so sasuke will bring out his inherent powers as an uchiha. itachi taught sasuke no other man can teach -- love. itachi could have had a hand at the uchiha clan massacre..or maybe had not. in anyways, his brotherly love to sasuke is what we have witnessed. Naruto will validate this in the end.
kabuto is still below there under oro...he will be seeing his death once sasuke takes the center stage again. poor kabuto...he will definitely die. this death is from a more powerful sasuke...remember this arjun3394.

Naruto is Naruto...from the start til the end...HIS great love for peace will over shadow itachi and nagato's sacrifice. Naruto will appease sasuke's hatred.

and together they will destroy whoever this madara (as he claim) he is..

yo omningan...what you say dude???