So I take it your certain Michelle is town?
Because this entire case hinges on the fact that I am pushing michelle because I don't want to see scum be flipped.
Which I think isn't a reasonable take?
I find that Michelle is doing some relatively wolfy things and it could be an attempt at playing to a different playstyle.
But in all honesty, I just think that she could be scum.
I can change my perspective on the game state I did say I was open to being persuaded or at least it should be insinuated when I said I was confused about the game state.
re:me wanting a vote count.
What do you think is better all the townies voting 7 different people among those 7 contains 3/4 scum?
Or 3 different big wagons that only contains 1 scum?
Because one of those has a worse % but it leads to town winning the game more often.
Okay, yes of course scum going to try to cause a mislynch. But if you are scum and dying then scum going to suffer something nasty?That's how I understand it.
Geez you really want the answer if you succeed to doublepost while this is disabled in this section ^^
@Ansatsuken my friend, please give me a phase to clear my thoughts and figure this. If i am alive next day I will share what I understood. Now i am in a process of thinking.
Michelle has been fairly suspicious, to be honest. I don't like the way she has continually popped up only to contribute nothing and state that she needs to sleep. I'm also slightly concerned about Poison's disappearing act as well after so much pressure was on her in D1. Though I wasn't read her as scum, her disappearance has to be noted. Other than that, it's been a weird game.
Sir, i am working and my play time is short. Can you look at things as a whole and, accepting that is a weird game, to use your best insight to balance your reads?
I gave my reads, i looked at the day 1 Eod to figure what happened and i am against any aggresivity in play. To-Day
Because she looks agenda less and not opportunistic from my observation in 2DPs. But right now it depends on how she answer my question about you. I don't know why but she seems avoiding to engage with you in this DP. If you're scum she can potentially be your mate.
The townie Michelle I know push, ask questions, and genuinely feels like she is trying to solve this game for townies. But this game you are the complete opposite
She said she has a pretty good read on someone but after she woke up and made a post I can't quite tell who that someone is. She made a general analysis to the people who posted in the game so far, nothing really standing out.
This post is very funny and hypocrite of her, she threw shade my way cause i voted for gomes but here she is voting for even a more inactive player, but ah i forgot it does not count as scummy when Michelle does it.
Not really fond of this mentality, so ya okay with inactives meeting minimum requirement post to keep moving forward into the game? doesn't that harm townies in the long run? What if he is scum? then it's win win no? he flips townie, good he won't hinder townies in the future, he flips scum? good we got rid of scum.
I find it funny that you are placing Gomes in the same list as Toujo and X here. Like come on, obviously a lynch on either of X and Toujo is very bad unless something really alarming went off and if they are indeed townie then it will cost townies in the long run. Gomes in the other hand is the complete opposite and will harm townies in the long run
She said she wanted to lynch either aether or tigerrr but instead went for beeboat which you can arguably say that he was inactive DP1 as well. But no Michelle hates lynching inactive no? not only did she not vote for one of her scum reads on aether and tigerrr, she went and voted for beeboat who is arguably inactive as well. What does that tell me exactly?
She even mention it here herself lmao, but wait Michelle does not like to vote for inactives right? but it's okay for her to suss other players for voting for inactives. Hypocrite at it finest.
Michelle made a post so outrageous it made multiple players question what exactly was going through Michelle mind. Not sure how she got the impression that i was using sweet words, kinda felt like she was trying to get on my good side tbh.
That was the end of DP1, the posts I did not mention were because they were either fluff or not worth mentioning. At this point I had her as null, she said she was busy so I gave her the benefit of the doubt. However, DP2 came by and that's when she started pinging me super hard.
This was Michelle first post during DP2!!! Townie Michelle would question the statement Luk made since this is a non claim game but she did not and threw her vote at TAC immediately without second thought.
She then makes this post which put her in much worse situation in my eyes, she is already setting up her scapegoat when TAC flips townie, and questioning people who are questioning the legitimacy of the statement luk made which is THE TOWNIE mentality. (not saying that rej and ansa are townie for it but it's some green points their way)
The post that made me very wary of Michelle. Look at this, she is stating her that she is trusting Luk words in a non claim game, but this is the perfect scapegoat for mafia. Michelle knew TAC was not scum and was using her relationship with luk and her knowledge of him as her advantage for an easy
She said she will tunnel me to death because I said luk got modkilled. Like what? why? but it's funny because when I confronted her this DP she did backed away and did not wanna do anything, she knows she fucked up. Don't worry tho I will tunnel you to death myself this time Michelle.
I replied to this but if you made it all the way here then you realize how hypocrite she is. It's fine when she does it. Jump between an inactive to another inactive while ignoring her scum read.
She got really annoyed/defensive that I questioned how fast the wagon build up on Luk when he stated that TAC is scum. You know why she got defensive? because she is a scum who jumped into the wagon knowing it was a mislynch and people questioned it (me and tsq) she addressed us, in my case luk was already mod killed so more reason to throw sus my way for questioning how the wagon build up BEFORE LUK got mod killed.
Spoilered here for mobile users (myself) i read until now and i have to praise @SoulKiller for orathoric innate talent. He is the Apha and Omega in mafia and i am still learning to play.
I will not read more, my friend convinced me, lynch this town with fire
I would self vote but i don't want to hammer. But the vote is here, in spirit and the ghost of my first self vote in mafia ever will haunt me forever.
Thanks my friend, you helped me to pass over a fear, now i will use this weapon (or not) without shaking.
Long live the selfvote!
On the other hand, this is a role play, take it as you like it. This sentence is only for my townies.
So I take it your certain Michelle is town?
Because this entire case hinges on the fact that I am pushing michelle because I don't want to see scum be flipped.
I never said anything about Michelle. So I don't know from where you get the idea that I think Michelle is Town. You also have voted XTMF before, so why you didn't ask me about my read on XTMF too?
Certainly I'm suspecting you not based on them but on you. Your vote pattern and what you have said inside your vote posts.
Actually idk scratch that, I have this weird issue where I don't know how any of you play as scum particularly well. So I can't create a solid baseline I need to guess and pretend I can play this game without meta solve this game while reading as much of it as I actually have.
Movement on this vote is pending, I think Michelle is a wolf. I think they are commenting on how to play the game a lot more then the game itself. It feels weird to me.
This vote is bad and is subject to being moved. But it's the best thing I have that doesn't make me hate myself.
You have said "this is how scum vote" before you vote XTMF.
Then you unvote. You give the reason why you doing that. But for me it looks more like an excuse for your unvoting action and not a real read why X cant be scum. That's why I said you're picking your lynch target. Which has the higher possibility to be successful.
Here you vote Michelle. But the post is 80% you're explaining about your vote and 20% you're explaining about your suspect(Michelle). You tell us this vote is this and thus bla...bla...bla. For me you're preparing yourself a secure, less suspicious opening for you to move to the next vote. So we go back to what I said earlier, you're looking for a successful lynch. You're not truthfully suspecting Michelle here. Yes Michelle look suspicious but that besides the point. Why you're not reading the thread first, take your time and then finalize your vote without putting too much excuses???
Which I think isn't a reasonable take?
I find that Michelle is doing some relatively wolfy things and it could be an attempt at playing to a different playstyle.
But in all honesty, I just think that she could be scum.
Ok I understand(your reason) why you think Michelle could be scum. But why other points beside that one? To me you seem to have hidden motive.
I can change my perspective on the game state I did say I was open to being persuaded or at least it should be insinuated when I said I was confused about the game state.
What do you think is better all the townies voting 7 different people among those 7 contains 3/4 scum?
Or 3 different big wagons that only contains 1 scum?
Because one of those has a worse % but it leads to town winning the game more often.
My reads
Townies: Ansa, Rej, TSQ, Angelus, Aether
Not sure: Toujo, X, Alice, PK, Ryu
Leaning scum: Beeboat but somehow i liked what he posted today.. idk
Scum: Tigerr
Not enough data: JJ/Sagebee
Not providing read until next day if i am alive, because i have to think at it: SK
'But, Michelle, you have just one scum read?' No, in the "not sure" at least 1 is scum but idk who is. And if we succeed to flip a scum today, game may become easier.
This is a big lie. You are either misinterpreting what I said or you are trying to frame me.
Maybe ELMAGE voted you for a reason after all.
I will come back with the quotes of our exchange.
Also based on todays post Toujo looks a bit townier than X but it doesnt mean that X is untowny per se.
On a Microbasis both have an agressive tone that is not utilized by town. Could be NAI since they have more experience with each other?
I always am paranoid to be baited into pardonizing a WvW conflict tho.
@-PK- I'd like to see more from you this DP. I was about to TR you at EoD but I am still unsure.
Also based on todays post Toujo looks a bit townier than X but it doesnt mean that X is untowny per se.
On a Microbasis both have an agressive tone that is not utilized by town. Could be NAI since they have more experience with each other?
I always am paranoid to be baited into pardonizing a WvW conflict tho.
@-PK- I'd like to see more from you this DP. I was about to TR you at EoD but I am still unsure.
I am gonna over michelle post she made recently when I wake up but state your reasoning, what do you mean exactly I don't make wallies as town? are we playing the same game Rej? I always make cases like this. Make your case against me on why I am the best lynch this DP and it better be good rej boy. I want you to read my post and tell me how the hell you think Michelle is townie. Read my post and give me counter example on how the hell you read Michelle townie.
and please don't tell me "Oh i am voting soul cause he posted a wallie" I literally made a case against her. You read the case and present your opinions, stating I am not townie for it even tho I made wallies bigger than this AGAINST you in the past and I was townie so stating townie don't do it is straight BS.
FIRST TSQ and our conversation after which he has somehow reached the conclusion I am scum.
I have to say, I don't understand how people reach this conclusion, same with Michelle. I talk with the two of you a bit and then bam you think I am scum cause ...what? It's either CWAC or poor town play.
First of all I dislike people acting arrogant and claiming that they know what my town game is. If you think this is not my town game in all your honesty, then provide your arguments. Don't just say a sentence like that and think that's enough to pass you through this game.
How did you even reach your conclusion that I am a scum here? You started writing about some red check when I was speaking with Toujo about role restrictions. I explained to you what I understand by role restrictions yet you ignore it and moved forward saying something about how stupid smth is, how rigged the game could be, like what?
I expressed my confusion and lack of understanding of what the hell you are talking about and now I wake up and see you followed that with a vote?
Like are you following what am I saying? Are you trying to understand if I come from a town or scum perspective? Or are you trying to just be present and appear to contribute?
I think this X and Toujo has been dragging way too long. It takes attention from other possible lurkers.
I think it's strange how X acts so I understand why ratched got worried. I think X could be role restricted to post in a certain way. But I don't know what to make of X in his last posts. It looked like roleclaiming to me. And if it was true roleclaiming then he should have been banned by now.[ and also I don't understand why he would do fake roleclaim as mafia or serial killer, cause it would be obviously fake if he would not be modkilled) I'm gonna come back to it.
I'm not against a Michelle lynch. I have nothing to defend her with, and I think her play has been terribly passive this game. But I feel like it can be resolved afterwards. From everyone else's perspective, X vs me should offer a high chance of culling a scum member, due to the claims X has made against me. I also think Michelle had some posts Day 1 that gave me something of a Town read, particularly in regards to how she was trying to read me. Honestly, I think a lot of Michelle's play can be considered NAI when you factor in being busy with other games elsewhere. This could also explain her unwillingness to engage with you. That said, I'm not fond of the deflection to Tigerrr, and seemingly ignoring even trying to read you. I really don't see why Tigerrr is so widely scumread in the first place - her play is nothing like last game, the approach feels entirely different.
I know Toujo is stuck on X and it's a strange but how is Ansa moving forward? from Dp1 his scum list is Poison and Tigerr. Now he added SK.
He made so much progress I am honestly shocked.(this is sarcasm btw)
Yet he asks town to step their game up.
Pfff I am getting mad now.
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Suggesting someone would be role restricted into fake claiming a red check is asinine
" @Thestatusquo I never suggested this, how did you come to this conclusion?
The flipped roles had restrictions on behavior and attitudes of the players who got the roles. How the player interprets those restrictions is up to them.
Also based on todays post Toujo looks a bit townier than X but it doesnt mean that X is untowny per se.
On a Microbasis both have an agressive tone that is not utilized by town. Could be NAI since they have more experience with each other?
I always am paranoid to be baited into pardonizing a WvW conflict tho.
@-PK- I'd like to see more from you this DP. I was about to TR you at EoD but I am still unsure.
I have to say, I don't understand how people reach this conclusion, same with Michelle. I talk with the two of you a bit and then bam you think I am scum cause ...what? It's either CWAC or poor town play.
Let me understand, when you put the bolded in the paragraph where you say 'same with Michelle' are you accusing me of poor town play?
I have to thank you for TMIimg me and TSQ villagers tbh.
Let me understand, when you put the bolded in the paragraph where you say 'same with Michelle' are you accusing me of poor town play?
I have to thank you for TMIimg me and TSQ villagers tbh.
Are you trying to use my words to portray yourself as town here?
YEah I said either CWAC or poor town play, which means I am not sure. Hence why I didn't vote for wither of you yet.
